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    Quote Originally Posted by Why_Nut View Post
    The absolutely most fascinating aspect of the program was finding out that *video* was taken at the party on the 23rd, video actually broadcast during this program! Since John Ramsey is cited in the end credits as someone who provided video and photographs to the program, and since he is not visible in any of the party video footage (while Patsy is, sitting on the living room couch while McReynolds is standing nearby) I have to assume the video camera used was being wielded by John himself, which footage he then gave the program the right to broadcast. It certainly would explain why the camcorder was found in the kitchen. It brings up another honking big question though -- how can anyone claim that McReynolds had any sort of private moment with JonBenet during the party, when the video footage very clearly shows that the living room was stuffed full when it contained children, adults, and furniture, and there were at least two video cameras going (the broadcast footage shows one of the guests running his own separate camcorder)? From the looks of it, people could barely move without getting in each other's way. For those who were not able to see the program, I will try and get some still frames to post to show you what I mean.
    I found that video interesting, also. I thought I saw John sitting or standing in the crowd as that video was being played...I'm not sure, I have it recorded and will replay it again. While the program was a farce and never really presented the other side, I found it interesting for that Christmas party video and a few other things. Why Nut, was that tall man with the camcorder, seen in this video, Fleet White?

    Jones had a writing expert on there and he uses the latest computer technology to analyze writings. His conclusion was that a female wrote the ransom note with a male telling her what and not what to write. Now, Jones conclusion is that the authors were a different male and female which isn't shocking. Whatever their conclusion is, it's interesting that this expert thinks a female wrote the letter with male giving instructions!

    Thirdly. The video was very good quality showing the grate and Smit entering the grate to demonstrate how an intruder might enter. I was shocked to see how narrow that space is. I think it was koldkase who had a thread, a few months back, about how John couldn't have gone in that window as he said he did...I think this supports her conclusion. Also, how could anyone think an intruder could have fit himself into that narrow space and leave that spider web intact???? An adult body takes up almost the entire space and the grate has to be swung up completely to enter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fr brown View Post
    I just watched the teaser for the show.

    Aphrodite Jones asks why the two bootprints "have never been put into evidence." Instead of correcting her, San Agustin says he doesn't know.

    They're looking at crime scene photos. Obviously both prints are in evidence.


    How bizarre is it that people make tv shows without doing the most elementary fact checking?
    Yea, Fr. Brown, when Agustin says, "I don't know", it shows his bias and dishonesty. He should have said: "Well, it has been put into evidence." And then they let it stand that Michael Helgoth had Hi-Tec boots but never said that police found they didn't match the imprint.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Learnin View Post
    Yea, Fr. Brown, when Agustin says, "I don't know", it shows his bias and dishonesty. He should have said: "Well, it has been put into evidence." And then they let it stand that Michael Helgoth had Hi-Tec boots but never said that police found they didn't match the imprint.
    Right. Nor does San Agustin disclose that Patsy essentially admitted that Burke had Hi-TEC boots with a compass on one set of shoelaces (Hi-TEC Columbus boots). Patsy says something like, "Oh, I thought you were asking if I owned them." It wasn't that exactly, but comparable.

    It reduces San Agustin's credibility to zero when he conceals such things. Does that really help the Ramseys?

    But that's old news. What was the new DNA evidence?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fr brown View Post
    Right. Nor does San Agustin disclose that Patsy essentially admitted that Burke had Hi-TEC boots with a compass on one set of shoelaces (Hi-TEC Columbus boots). Patsy says something like, "Oh, I thought you were asking if I owned them." It wasn't that exactly, but comparable.

    It reduces San Agustin's credibility to zero when he conceals such things. Does that really help the Ramseys?

    But that's old news. What was the new DNA evidence?
    I didn't catch it...got a phone call from someone who wanted to talk right after the program came on, of course. Had to listen out of one ear if you know what I mean...Will have to replay it tomorrow evening.

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    Guys,

    This calls for an all out Forums For Justice/Websleuths rebuttal.

    What is frustrating is Michael Tracey sits there and lies and he knows no one in the media is going to do any fact checking.

    The fact that John Ramsey participated in the making of this program proves without question that the truth was not about to be discussed.

    Aphrodite Jones should be ashamed of herself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Why_Nut View Post
    The absolutely most fascinating aspect of the program was finding out that *video* was taken at the party on the 23rd, video actually broadcast during this program! Since John Ramsey is cited in the end credits as someone who provided video and photographs to the program, and since he is not visible in any of the party video footage (while Patsy is, sitting on the living room couch while McReynolds is standing nearby) I have to assume the video camera used was being wielded by John himself, which footage he then gave the program the right to broadcast. It certainly would explain why the camcorder was found in the kitchen. It brings up another honking big question though -- how can anyone claim that McReynolds had any sort of private moment with JonBenet during the party, when the video footage very clearly shows that the living room was stuffed full when it contained children, adults, and furniture, and there were at least two video cameras going (the broadcast footage shows one of the guests running his own separate camcorder)? From the looks of it, people could barely move without getting in each other's way. For those who were not able to see the program, I will try and get some still frames to post to show you what I mean.
    Why_Nut,

    Thank you for pointing this very important detail out to us.

    Anything you can post from the show will be greatly appreciated as always.

    Thank you.
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    Alan Prendergast,reporter for Westword

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tricia View Post
    Aphrodite Jones should be ashamed of herself.
    I'm sure she's blushing all the way to the bank.

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    Many Thanks, Why-Nut! If you can, PLEASE include this highlights from Patsy's hysterical demands from Steve, on Larry King's show - they did show several of her temper tantrums that help ya see how she really was.

    I thought that was a video taken earlier though...could have swore that JonBenet was much younger so I'm going to have to watch this again. It did state at the beginning that never seen before video was to be shown, but at that point, I was very MAD that they LIED about the Open House timing - that was NOT Days before JonBenet's Murder!!! Of Course John released the video's - and Patsy would have strangled him if she knew that the one of her near The End would be seen by anyone outside the family...

    I just have to go on record stating the The TABLOIDS have absolutely NOTHING to do with my personal opinion that the Ramseys are the ONLY One's involved with JonBenet's Death now that this show focused on them for making the public believe that John & Patsy were less than HONEST...

    TG - I'm telling you that this show was nothing but Michael Tracey's fantasies - Sick! I'm still Fired Up and ready to help you & JonBenet get the TRUTH back out since there were too many sentences not followed thru on or facts withheld from the Team Ramsey EMPLOYEES that Aphroditie decided would be on this new Crockumentry that is nothing but the old ones all wrapped up in one with Mary Keenan-Lacy having the Last Word.
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    Click on the image below and you will be able to see the complete segment featuring the Christmas party on the 23rd. Aphrodite did incorporate a few seconds of the video from the 1994 home tour, but they can be identified...the home tour clips are the ones with the front door opening, the image of the Christmas tree where nobody is standing by it, and the footage of the camera coming up the stairs and entering the Ramsey bedroom, where you can see a fire burning in the fireplace.


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    Thank you WhyNut for posting this information here. I had a problem with the sound. As for the home tour, who in their right mind would want half the town going through their home because it had some historical interest. Not while one is actually living in the house. This doesn't make sense to me (?).

    As for Lou Smit going in through the basement window, I would have thought he was too old to do this for starters and probably hurt himself in the process, just to prove it could be done.


    Seeing Lou Smit making an attempt to go through this window reminded me of John Ramsey stating he had gone through this basement window when he had left his key. More than ever I don't believe this ever happened (?). Looking at Lou Smit entering this awkard basement window, he appears to be a much slimmer man than John Ramsey, who is more broad shouldered and therefore would have had some difficulty going through this window. As many of us have all stated. He never went across the street to the neighbour who had a spare key(?).

    I was never convinced about the stupid window theory. However, the Ramseys were desperate, and everything and anything was thrown in as a reason to prove it was an intruder.
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