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    Quote Originally Posted by cynic View Post

    2000 Interview

    Black - Mike Kane
    Red - Patsy Ramsey
    Blue - Lin Wood


    Q. (By Mr. Levin) Now, Mrs. Ramsey, you -- are you aware, I should say, that your paint kit was found very close to the wine cellar door?

    A. I have heard that.

    Q. Did you recall at any time that you were shown photographs in that regard?

    A. No.

    Q. We have found, and I want you to help us, maybe you can offer an explanation for this. We have found fibers in the paint tray that appear to come off of the coat in the photograph we showed you.

    A. In the paint tray?

    Q. Yes.

    A. What's a paint --

    MR. WOOD: Hold on. Let him ask you his question and then answer his question. What is your question?

    MR. LEVIN: I did.

    MR. WOOD: You got your answer?

    MR. LEVIN: Well, I got, she said what's a paint tray.

    MR. WOOD: No, she didn't. She was following your question, in the paint tray because you said we have found, and I want you to help us, maybe you can offer an explanation for this. We have found fibers in the paint tray that appear to come off of the coat in the photograph we showed you.
    What is the question?


    Q. (By Mr. Levin) Can you explain for us how the fibers from the coat got in the paint tray?

    MR. WOOD: Are you stipulating as a fact that the fibers that you say are in the paint tray, in fact, came from that coat that we earlier discussed, or is it simply a matter that you say they may have? Because I am not going to let her answer argumentative, hypothetical opinions. I will let her answer if you are going to state it as a matter of fact that that fiber came from that jacket.

    MR. LEVIN: I can state to you, Mr. Wood, that, given the current state of the scientific examination of fibers, that, based on the state of the art technology, that I believe, based on testing, that fibers from your client's coat are in the paint tray.

    MR. WOOD: Are you stating as a fact that they are from the coat or is it consistent with? What is the test result terminology? Is it conclusive? I mean, I think she is entitled to know that when you ask her to explain something.

    MR. KANE: It is identical in all scientific respects.

    MR. WOOD: What does that mean? Are you telling me it is conclusive?

    MR. KANE: It is identical.

    MR. WOOD: Are you saying it is a conclusive match?

    MR. KANE: You can draw your own conclusions.

    MR. WOOD: I am not going to draw my own conclusions.

    MR. KANE: I am saying it is identical.


    Good gosh, this makes me mad with frustration! Fibers from Patsy's red jacket, the one she wore Christmas night, were found in the paint tray in the basement near the wine cellar door, and Patsy is acting stupid and saying things like, "What's a paint tray?" Arrrggggh!

    Then Lin Wood interrupts and lies and says Patsy DIDN'T say "what is a paint tray," as he tries to derail Mike Kane's questioning with his relentless badgering. What part of "IT IS IDENTICAL" does Lin Wood not understand?!! Obviously, the part that incriminates his client, PATSY RAMSEY!!!

  2. #110

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cherokee View Post

    Good gosh, this makes me mad with frustration! Fibers from Patsy's red jacket, the one she wore Christmas night, were found in the paint tray in the basement near the wine cellar door, and Patsy is acting stupid and saying things like, "What's a paint tray?" Arrrggggh!

    Then Lin Wood interrupts and lies and says Patsy DIDN'T say "what is a paint tray," as he tries to derail Mike Kane's questioning with his relentless badgering. What part of "IT IS IDENTICAL" does Lin Wood not understand?!! Obviously, the part that incriminates his client, PATSY RAMSEY!!!
    It is brutal isn't it?
    Old Woody was on top of his game.

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    cynic,

    Note how Patsy tries to distance herself away from her own painting supplies, throwing suspicion immediately on to Linda, her housekeeper, who was interviewed by the police, while she, Patsy Ramsey, wasn't! Something far wrong with this scene(?).


    TT: OK. What part of the basement do you recall moving the painting supplies to?
    PR: I don’t remember. I think Linda took all that own there. I think it was kind of, I don’t remember. (Inaudible) was storing everything, I don’t remember where she put it.
    elle: The RST can't handle the truth!
    Just my opinion.

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    This has probably been gone over many times in the past, but if so, I don't remember....LOL aging you know!

    That paint brush was OLD, very well used, it looks as though it needed throwing away. Were the broken ends fresh or were they old breaks, from a previous time? I can see Patsy breaking it and then not throwing it away. She obviously didn't care for her brushes or all the paint wouldn't be off of it like that.

    I'm just thinking that whoever did the strangling just really grabbed the first thing he had at hand, and that stick of the brush made it look as if the strangler had some kind of tool, instead of just a cord. The brush end was probably already long gone, maybe it had been left with paint on it and dried up, so it was thrown away while the rest of the brush wasn't.

    I just know that the brush was quite old, and were the ends already broken before that night?
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  5. #113

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    Quote Originally Posted by heymom View Post
    This has probably been gone over many times in the past, but if so, I don't remember....LOL aging you know!

    That paint brush was OLD, very well used, it looks as though it needed throwing away. Were the broken ends fresh or were they old breaks, from a previous time? I can see Patsy breaking it and then not throwing it away. She obviously didn't care for her brushes or all the paint wouldn't be off of it like that.

    I'm just thinking that whoever did the strangling just really grabbed the first thing he had at hand, and that stick of the brush made it look as if the strangler had some kind of tool, instead of just a cord. The brush end was probably already long gone, maybe it had been left with paint on it and dried up, so it was thrown away while the rest of the brush wasn't.

    I just know that the brush was quite old, and were the ends already broken before that night?
    I haven't gotten to anything Kolar said about this other than what we already know.

    But I believe there are some indications at least part of the brush was broken that night: the splinters by the paint tray on the carpet; a dry green paint particle which ended up on JB's chin, along with a carpet fiber, could have come from breaking the brush that night since JB was strangled by the paint tray. That green particle was matched to paint in the paint tray, so it seems to indicate it came from the well-used paintbrush, which had various paints dried on it, from the picture we have.

    Dried paint doesn't just jump off of things on its own, I'm thinking. Since JB's urine was on the carpet there, she was strangled from behind, and the ligature was tied on her from behind--her hair at the back of her scalp was tied into the knot on her neck, I find it very likely at least one portion of the paintbrush was broken by that tray that night.

    I've seen it suggested the end tip of the brush was already broken off before that night, but I don't think there is any way of proving that unless you have credible evidence of where it went.

    As for me, with the photos we have which we worked with on this thread, I can only say the breaks look fresh to me.

    Since Patsy was hardly able to identify her own house, to hear her tell it, much less her own paintbrush, she did little to clear anything up on this issue--as usual.

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    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    To put a fine point on this thread, as we did speculate quite a bit in our amateur experimentation:

    From Foreign Faction: Who Really Kidnapped JonBenet Ramsey?; by A. James Kolar:

    Page 48-49:

    CSIs would make another important discovery during
    their search of the home.

    Broken shards of wood from a “Korea” paintbrush handle
    would be found on the floor outside the entrance door of the Wine
    Cellar. A portion of the matching handle was found in a paint tray
    near the door, and this would eventually be matched to the broken
    wood handle used in the garrote that had killed JonBenét.

    It appeared that the garrote had been constructed at the
    entrance to the doorway of the Wine Cellar, and investigators
    believed that JonBenét’s murder had taken place in that very
    location.
    Pages 54-55, on the autopsy:

    They all watched as Dr. Meyer removed the loosely tied piece
    of white nylon cord that remained attached to JonBenét’s right
    wrist. Her father had already removed the loop that had encircled
    the left wrist when he had discovered her body. Dr. Meyer noted
    that the loop was loose enough that he could place his fingers
    between the cord and JonBenét’s wrist.

    The length of the cord between the loops that had been placed
    around her wrists was determined to be approximately fifteen and
    a half (15 ˝”) inches and both ends of this cord were frayed.
    The loops of the cord had been tied so loosely around JonBenét’s
    wrists that they left no telltale marks or abrasions on her skin.

    Another piece of similar looking cord was embedded in
    JonBenét’s neck. The loop around her head was determined to be
    configured with a slip knot, with the trailing end leading from the
    midline of the back of her neck and wrapped around a splintered
    stick. The stick measured approximately four and a half (4 ˝”)
    inches in length, and both ends were splintered. The word “Korea”
    was printed on the stick.

    The trailing end of the cord extended approximately four (4”)
    inches beyond the slip knot, and the end of the cord was frayed.
    The length of cord departing the portion of the slip knot encircling
    JonBenét’s neck to the stick measured approximately seventeen
    (17”) inches. The end of the cord that had been wrapped around
    the stick was observed to be burned / melted.

    The cord around her neck was situated in a horizontal fashion
    with a slight vertical cant as it reached the back of her jaw line.
    This position indicated that the cord had been applied manually
    and was not consistent with a death caused by a vertical hanging.

    Hair from JonBenét’s head was entangled in the slip knot, and
    it appeared that force had been applied by pulling on the end of
    the cord with the wrapped stick, embedding the cord in the flesh
    of her neck. Dr. Meyer had to clip some of JonBenét’s hair in order
    free the ligature from her neck.

    The stick was later determined to be a portion of a broken
    paintbrush handle found in an art tray near the entrance to the
    Wine Cellar. The slip knot was situated at the rear of her head,
    so it was presumed that JonBenét had been facing away from
    the perpetrator as they had tightened the noose around her neck.

    Dr. Meyer carefully cut, marked, and removed the garrote from
    JonBenét’s neck. The remaining furrow was dark red in color and
    revealed how deeply embedded the cord had been buried into the
    flesh of her neck.
    Pages 57-58, continuing with the autopsy:

    [Dr. Meyer] observed that there was fresh trauma located at the 7:00
    o’clock position at the hymeneal opening. The area was inflamed
    and had been bleeding, and it appeared to Dr. Meyer that a foreign
    object had been inserted into JonBenét’s genitalia at or near the
    time of her death.

    The site of the damaged tissue was excised and prepared for
    a pathology slide. Later examination would reveal the presence of
    ‘cellulose material’ in the membrane of the hymeneal opening that
    was consistent with the wood of the paintbrush used as a handle
    in the cord of the garrote.

    Pages 66-67, finally we hear what Van Tassel thought:


    Investigators would also enlist the aid of a knot expert, John
    Van Tassel of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police. He would eventually
    determine that the slip knots used in the wrist and neck ligatures
    were of standard fare. The end of the cord wrapped around
    the remains of the paintbrush were observed to be concentric loops
    and ended in a simple hitch that secured the knot in place. Again,
    there was nothing particularly fancy about the knots suggesting
    that a skilled perpetrator had been responsible for tying them.

    Investigators took note of the fact that the end of the cord
    wrapped around the broken paintbrush handle was burned –
    melted. The manufacturer of these types of nylon cords will burn
    or melt the ends during production so that the ends will not fray
    and disassemble. In this instance, it appeared that the cord tied
    around the handle of the garrote was the first piece used from
    a new roll of cord and that the pieces of the other ends, all frayed,
    had been cut with a sharp instrument.

    If the pieces of cord had been used in sequence to their cutting
    and assembly, it appeared to investigators that the garrote could
    have been the first of the pieces applied in JonBenét’s death.
    The piece of cord used to bind her wrists, an important element in
    the control of a kidnap victim, might not have been applied until
    after the noose had been wrapped around JonBenét’s neck.

    This fact, coupled with the odd length of cord that separated
    the loose bindings used on her wrists suggested that some form of
    “staging” might be taking place.1 It was a matter of speculation
    to be certain, but only the killer would know for sure the sequence
    in which the cord had been applied to JonBenét.

    Moreover, given the fact that JonBenét’s hair was entangled in
    the slip knot at the back of her neck, investigators concluded that
    the perpetrator had fashioned this ligature spontaneously at the
    scene. It had not been constructed before their entry to the house.
    These are the most important details of the paintbrush and cord that I can find. Maybe someone else remembers more?

    "University of Colorado Law Professor Paul Campos declared the letter a 'reckless exoneration.' He went on to state, 'Everyone knows that relative immunity from criminal conviction is something money can buy.
    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    Thank you koldkase! Does he say anywhere what might have been used to cut the nylon cord? Other than something very sharp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karen View Post
    Thank you koldkase! Does he say anywhere what might have been used to cut the nylon cord? Other than something very sharp.
    He doesn't say anything else about it, unfortunately.
    I actually don't think that it was something particularly sharp that did it, at least according to my experiments.
    Especially look at this crime scene photo http://www.forumsforjustice.org/foru...6&postcount=19
    and compare it to what I did in the first post of the following thread
    http://www.forumsforjustice.org/foru...ad.php?t=10093



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