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    Y'all are killing me here!

    Smit taught me something very important: it doesn't matter how dumb you are, if you belong to The Club, they'll back you no matter how full of chit you are.

    "University of Colorado Law Professor Paul Campos declared the letter a 'reckless exoneration.' He went on to state, 'Everyone knows that relative immunity from criminal conviction is something money can buy.
    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    Quote Originally Posted by koldkase View Post
    There's another consideration, Learnin: it was winter, snowing that night. If an intruder went to the Ramseys with a pre-planned attempt at whatever wild story Team Ramsey can conjure up, he still would have had some kind of coat on, or at least a jacket or outer vest. He would need pockets, would he not, to bring in tape, cord, and the "stun gun" Smit coveted so. Don't forget the ROPE! And the paper bag...oh, lord, what didn't that intruder bring? Other than a ransom note, flashlight, garrote, and a plan on how to get the child out one of the half dozen doors he passed going in and out (all unlocked, by the time the Ramseys finished changing their stories.)

    My point is he would hardly have ventured to the crime scene without layered clothing. So add some kind of outer, cold weather apparel with pockets full of stuff...and squeezing through that window is without leaving plenty of fibers and other evidence he'd been there is even less believable.

    If that string/wire/whatever figure in the well was there that morning, I can't believe LE wouldn't have collected it. Maybe it's in the search warrants?
    Good points, all! I never thought about it but the ole intruder would not have been wondering around on a frigid night in his undies like John did when he "backed" his way down that slit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by koldkase View Post
    It does! Patsy did a lot of crafty projects for the kids' school stuff, no doubt for the church, as well. It makes me think of pipe cleaners, which sell in any craft store or dept. for all kinds of children's activities. But I don't think these are pipe cleaners.

    Deedee, are you thinking specifically of a wrapped wire of some kind you have seen yourself? I can't think of something like that off the top of my head, but it sounds reasonable.

    I don't guess we'll ever know what this is made of, if the crime scene techs collected it, or how and why it was constructed. But it seems rather important on its face, from a speculative POV. To me, anyway.
    They do not look like pipecleaners. Actually, I have seen that type of rigid, wrapped wire. You can bend it easily enough, but if it fell on the ground it would look exactly like that. A soft cord, like the nylon cord described as making the garrote, wouldn't fall so perfectly straight and flat like that.
    My days don't lend themselves to experiments, but if any of you might like to do it, try letting a knot made of soft cord fall on the ground and see how it looks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cynic View Post
    I initially thought that DeeDee’s suggestion that this was vinyl covered wire was the most plausible explanation, but there does appear to be a narrowing in the red circled area that may be better explained with a flat cord edge. As always with these pictures, it’s hard to be certain.

    The mystery object reminds me of stiff, white, vinyl-covered, electrical wire cut off in the connections of a utility box or some other electrical device.

    One Christmas break from college, I helped a friend do inventory in his uncle's TV/electronics repair shop. We counted capacitors and wires until I thought my eyes were going to fall out of my head! There were also leftover parts and snipped wires from finished repair projects. Some of them were twisted in much the same way as the mystery object. Maybe a telephone or utility repairman snipped a wire, and it either fell to the ground or was left there after the completion of a service call. Or maybe the kids found the mystery object somewhere, played with it in the backyard, and then left it there.

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    Interesting ideas, all.

    I was thinking because of the broken window, and the fact that John was lying about crawling through it on his knees, IMO, maybe it wasn't John who broke it but JAR, Burke, etc. Maybe the kids liked to play in there and this got left behind?

    One guess is as good as another, of course.

    All I can really say for sure about that window and window well is no intruder came through it the night JB was murdered and JOB Ramsey didn't crawl into that window on his knees. It's my opinion it was staged as the "intruder" entrance and exit by whoever killed JonBenet. Smit got on board and it became the staged centerpiece for the Ramsey propaganda machine. Team Ramsey was climbing in and out the window for every camera pointed their way.

    "University of Colorado Law Professor Paul Campos declared the letter a 'reckless exoneration.' He went on to state, 'Everyone knows that relative immunity from criminal conviction is something money can buy.
    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Learnin View Post
    Good points, all! I never thought about it but the ole intruder would not have been wondering around on a frigid night in his undies like John did when he "backed" his way down that slit.

    Learnin,

    I just cannot see a business exec like John Ramsey undressing like this; going through any type of scenario like this! Not when he was classified as one of the top dog executives. No way would he have lifted up the heavy grate and gone through the whole scene we have read about for years. No way Hosé! More likely he would have chosen to call on someone he knew had a spare key, because there were quite a few spare keys around. The window story It's all concocted! They got away with it!
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    Just popped into my head after seeing the picture one more time! How about that being drinking straws? While I have a bundle of them at home now that are plastic material, I've seen straws made of a waxy type coating over paper. Maybe I'm just old enough to remember them that way but they did exist once upon a time. And they would have looked like that pinched or folded bit at the tip of the loop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cherokee View Post
    The mystery object reminds me of stiff, white, vinyl-covered, electrical wire cut off in the connections of a utility box or some other electrical device.

    One Christmas break from college, I helped a friend do inventory in his uncle's TV/electronics repair shop. We counted capacitors and wires until I thought my eyes were going to fall out of my head!
    Sounds exciting. LOL
    There were also leftover parts and snipped wires from finished repair projects. Some of them were twisted in much the same way as the mystery object. Maybe a telephone or utility repairman snipped a wire, and it either fell to the ground or was left there after the completion of a service call. Or maybe the kids found the mystery object somewhere, played with it in the backyard, and then left it there.
    Quote Originally Posted by DeeDee View Post
    My days don't lend themselves to experiments, but if any of you might like to do it, try letting a knot made of soft cord fall on the ground and see how it looks.
    I'll give it a try.
    Here is a comparison of the Stansport cord and vinyl covered wire:



    Here is the same shot but with a blur filter applied:


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    Pack yourself off to the FBI, cynic. You're wasting your time here!
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    Cynic, thanks for your photo of the covered wire versus Stansport cord. Here's a rotated comparison of your covered wire and the mystery object. Opinions?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cherokee View Post
    Cynic, thanks for your photo of the covered wire versus Stansport cord. Here's a rotated comparison of your covered wire and the mystery object. Opinions?
    The wire is the clear winner over the Stansport cord, and there is another reason why I say that.
    In order for there to be four ends you have to tie two pieces of the cord together in some fashion. Once you do that, regardless of how simply you tie the two pieces together, (and I tried a few different ways,) it adds quite a bit of “bulk” the joined area in comparison to wrapping two pieces of wire together. That "bulk" is not there in the crime scene picture.

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    Another spectacular experiment from Cynic. Thank you!
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