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    Quote Originally Posted by sboyd View Post
    Someone posted yesterday re Burke's strange response to "inappropriate" touching. Does anyone know about this question and answer. I never heard anything about it - thanks so much.
    Yes, Kolar states that when Burke was interviewed by the psychologist with Family Services (standard procedure that the Ramseys did not succeed in preventing - when a child is murdered inside the home), when a question about inappropriate touching was asked, he put a game board on his head and covered his face with it. Very inappropriate, immature, and showed tension about the subject.
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    Quote Originally Posted by koldkase View Post
    Oh, we don't flay around here.

    How about a walk down the plank?

    I'm pretty convinced after reading Kolar's book that John was in on this before the 911 call was made.

    One important reason is that John rushed Burke out the door past the BPD and into the car of Fleet White, pretty much doing an offensive block so Burke could not be asked questions by LE.

    Why would he do that if he truly thought JB was kidnapped?

    Also, why would he let Patsy call over all those people if he actually read the ransom note and believed it? John had been in the service; he traveled internationally with his company--a subsidiary of international defense contractor, Lockheed Martin. He didn't just fall off the turnip truck in Boulder in 1920. It was 1996. He was rich. He could call more than one lawyer without any help from the BPD. So he hosts a kidnap party in this home?

    And why wouldn't he have awakened Burke himself to ask questions? Or searched the house himself first thing? Or been frightened for his, Patsy's, and Burke's safety immediately? How could he know those kidnappers weren't still in the house?

    I'm sorry. John Ramsey knew exactly what had happened, I believe.

    So...ready for a swim?

    Oh, the dolls: yeah, there are still lots of questions we have. sigh
    I agree, koldkase. No way in hades does a man, with John's background, not wake up his son, first thing, and quiz him. No way does he allow his son to leave without police questioning as to what he knows. He would want the police to get as much information as they could. No way, in hades, does this son lay in bed with all the raucous going on in that house without orders from headquarters. No way does a man, with John's background, allow his wife to throw a party in such a situation.

    I'll never believe anything else until which time the complete truth proves me wrong and I'm not holding my breath.

    Now. Since Patsy was dressed in the same clothes, and John wasn't, I think we can safely assume that John was at least in bed when the shoet hit the fan, no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Learnin View Post
    I agree, koldkase. No way in hades does a man, with John's background, not wake up his son, first thing, and quiz him. No way does he allow his son to leave without police questioning as to what he knows. He would want the police to get as much information as they could. No way, in hades, does this son lay in bed with all the raucous going on in that house without orders from headquarters. No way does a man, with John's background, allow his wife to throw a party in such a situation.

    I'll never believe anything else until which time the complete truth proves me wrong and I'm not holding my breath.

    Now. Since Patsy was dressed in the same clothes, and John wasn't, I think we can safely assume that John was at least in bed when the shoet hit the fan, no?
    Or, that he needed to shower and change his clothing before the cops arrived. I'm not going to assume anything about anything except that Patsy wrote the ransom novel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heymom View Post
    Yes, Kolar states that when Burke was interviewed by the psychologist with Family Services (standard procedure that the Ramseys did not succeed in preventing - when a child is murdered inside the home), when a question about inappropriate touching was asked, he put a game board on his head and covered his face with it. Very inappropriate, immature, and showed tension about the subject.
    I had forgotten this, but now that you mention it ... Burke's reaction to the question was not only his way of NOT answering the question but also a subconscious effort to hide himself because the question made him uncomfortable.

    For a ten-year-old boy to try to cover his face with an object when asked a question about inappropriate touching - that is a huge red flag! It's no wonder the Ramseys have refused to release Burke's psycholoical and medical records to investigators.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Learnin View Post
    I agree, koldkase. No way in hades does a man, with John's background, not wake up his son, first thing, and quiz him. No way does he allow his son to leave without police questioning as to what he knows. He would want the police to get as much information as they could. No way, in hades, does this son lay in bed with all the raucous going on in that house without orders from headquarters. No way does a man, with John's background, allow his wife to throw a party in such a situation.

    I'll never believe anything else until which time the complete truth proves me wrong and I'm not holding my breath.

    Now. Since Patsy was dressed in the same clothes, and John wasn't, I think we can safely assume that John was at least in bed when the shoet hit the fan, no?
    One of my early reactions to the Ramseys sending Burke out of the house that morning, without either of them, was NO WAY.

    It's hard for us to remember our initial reactions to what we saw on the news that last week of December. But I do remember the fear I felt FOR the Ramseys, thinking how terrified I'd be if I had one child missing, in the hands of dangerous strangers who came into my house while I slept and spirited my child away...only to kill her and leave her in my basement!

    I thought I'd hold onto my other child with every fiber of my being. I wouldn't be able to let him out of my sight.

    But not the Ramseys. They didn't even talk to the child, much less have the instincts to protect HIM.

    That was an early red flag for me.

    But about JR's shower and change of clothing: Fr Brown's idea about JR's shirt having blood on it has triggered the idea for me that maybe THAT'S why JR changed his clothing.

    If his shirt was used to wipe the child's genital area, then it would have had blood on it, no doubt. So he'd need to change it, wouldn't he?

    And it would have been dry cleaned before it was turned over to the BPD, if it ever was.

    How do we know? They left the house and the movers and/or PIs packed up the Ramseys belongings some weeks later, boxes stored in Atlanta.

    So where did JR's dirty shirt go? He was asked specifically about this in his '98 DA interview with Smit and Kane, and he was VERY VAGUE about that, wasn't he?

    Hm.

    Fast forward to Atlanta 2000, when he is told by Boulder LE his shirt fibers matched those found in the genital area of the body. JR says, very quickly, BS!

    Makes me wonder about how he would know that. Did they have a laundry chute? Whatever their system was, JR was very non-committal about it, as usual. Makes me wonder if he in fact didn't hand over the actual shirt, but a new shirt from the same brand/company, like Patsy's "red sweater" she wore to the White's when turned over to the BPD sometime that year was folded and crisp like it came off the store shelf; so JR couldn't believe it actually was a match?

    Just some thoughts and questions...as ever.

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    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    Quote Originally Posted by koldkase View Post
    One of my early reactions to the Ramseys sending Burke out of the house that morning, without either of them, was NO WAY.

    It's hard for us to remember our initial reactions to what we saw on the news that last week of December. But I do remember the fear I felt FOR the Ramseys, thinking how terrified I'd be if I had one child missing, in the hands of dangerous strangers who came into my house while I slept and spirited my child away...only to kill her and leave her in my basement!

    I thought I'd hold onto my other child with every fiber of my being. I wouldn't be able to let him out of my sight.

    But not the Ramseys. They didn't even talk to the child, much less have the instincts to protect HIM.

    That was an early red flag for me.

    But about JR's shower and change of clothing: Fr Brown's idea about JR's shirt having blood on it has triggered the idea for me that maybe THAT'S why JR changed his clothing.

    If his shirt was used to wipe the child's genital area, then it would have had blood on it, no doubt. So he'd need to change it, wouldn't he?

    And it would have been dry cleaned before it was turned over to the BPD, if it ever was.

    How do we know? They left the house and the movers and/or PIs packed up the Ramseys belongings some weeks later, boxes stored in Atlanta.

    So where did JR's dirty shirt go? He was asked specifically about this in his '98 DA interview with Smit and Kane, and he was VERY VAGUE about that, wasn't he?

    Hm.

    Fast forward to Atlanta 2000, when he is told by Boulder LE his shirt fibers matched those found in the genital area of the body. JR says, very quickly, BS!

    Makes me wonder about how he would know that. Did they have a laundry chute? Whatever their system was, JR was very non-committal about it, as usual. Makes me wonder if he in fact didn't hand over the actual shirt, but a new shirt from the same brand/company, like Patsy's "red sweater" she wore to the White's when turned over to the BPD sometime that year was folded and crisp like it came off the store shelf; so JR couldn't believe it actually was a match?

    Just some thoughts and questions...as ever.
    Actually, there WAS a laundry chute to the basement and LHOP said that only JR used it. The rest of the Rs simply dropped dirty clothing, even underwear) on the floor where they took them off. What a disgusting habit. Remember, there is no official record of blood on JR's shirt. It was Fr Brown's musing only. LE claimed that much of the clothing they were sent appeared new, or freshly laundered or dry cleaned. Hey Boulder Police? THIS is why people who were in the house when another resident is found murdered are usually required to turn over their clothing RIGHT AWAY. Idiots...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cherokee View Post
    Burke was three weeks away from being 10 years old, and he was a head taller than JonBenet. If she was crouched down, not standing up, Burke most certainly could have brought down a golf club on her head with enough force to crack it.
    This photo was taken in late Spring of 1996, and shows Burke and JonBenet standing up (as opposed to the "sitting" Christmas card photograph of that year), and a person can get a better idea of how much taller Burke was than JonBenet. Of course, they both would have grown some in the six plus months from the time of this photo until December 25, 1996, but their height ratio should still have been about the same.

    In the photo, Burke is a full head taller than JonBenet. When JonBenet died, she was 47 inches tall. Also, please note the length of Burke's arms.

    For the sake of argument, imagine Burke's arm's upraised and holding a golf club over his head. At what point would he be able to inflict a head wound on JonBenet where it was located on the top rear of her skull? Could she have been standing or running away, crouched down or trying to duck a blow? How far away from Burke would JonBenet have had to be for the blow to land where it did?

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    I am a bit puzzled with the picture on page 126, the one of John and Patsy where she is holding up a who murdered JonBenet picture. Patsy looks distraught to me. I've been trying to figure out exactly how John appears. I don't think he looks upset at all.

    I have begun to wonder if Patsy was in a classical state of denial after the events of that night, perhaps even unto the day she died.

    I finished Kolar's book this morning. It is a facinating read. And award worthy, imho.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JC View Post
    I am a bit puzzled with the picture on page 126, the one of John and Patsy where she is holding up a who murdered JonBenet picture. Patsy looks distraught to me. I've been trying to figure out exactly how John appears. I don't think he looks upset at all.

    I have begun to wonder if Patsy was in a classical state of denial after the events of that night, perhaps even unto the day she died.

    I finished Kolar's book this morning. It is a facinating read. And award worthy, imho.
    Who can say what state Patsy was in, or John, for that matter? I think they had Dr. Feelgood to help them cope with reality and escape into their fantasies.

    I agree. We may not have all the answers to all our questions, but Kolar has gone a long way in bringing us up to date on the developments in the case behind the scenes, minus Team Ramsey spin.

    He also has officially debunked Smit's and Lacy's intruder red herrings, as well.

    "University of Colorado Law Professor Paul Campos declared the letter a 'reckless exoneration.' He went on to state, 'Everyone knows that relative immunity from criminal conviction is something money can buy.
    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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