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    Quote Originally Posted by Cherokee View Post
    Learnin, did you happen to take a photo of the quarter inch depression made by the golf club in the tree bark? If so, would you please post it for us?

    One of the things I think is important to remember is that at the time of JonBenet's death, Burke was closer to ten years old than nine years old! He was only three weeks away from his 10th birthday on January 27th!

    Ramsey apologists try to act like Burke was only a small, wimpy, little nine-year-old kid. Burke was a full head taller than JonBenet and almost ten. The ten year old boys I've known could DEFINITELY have cracked a six year old's skull with a golf club, especially if it was swung in anger.
    Cherokee, to my recollection, I did not. I had cut out a piece of paper which was the exact dimension of the skull depression. It almost fit perfectly in the depression. My daughter no longer lives on the property where the birch tree stands but I've been thinking, since reading Kolar's book, that I ought to try and slip over there and take a picture of it if the tree has not "healed" it's wound. If I get this accomplished, I'll post a pic....here's hoping...

  2. #38

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    Quote Originally Posted by Learnin View Post
    Cherokee, to my recollection, I did not. I had cut out a piece of paper which was the exact dimension of the skull depression. It almost fit perfectly in the depression. My daughter no longer lives on the property where the birch tree stands but I've been thinking, since reading Kolar's book, that I ought to try and slip over there and take a picture of it if the tree has not "healed" it's wound. If I get this accomplished, I'll post a pic....here's hoping...
    Okay, thanks.

    I don't doubt the tree wound made by the golf club fit the depression in JonBenet's cracked skull.

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    I'd like to see a list of the Christmas presents Burke received that year.
    The only thing we've ever heard about is the Nintendo 64. We know he received more than one thing. I'd like to know what.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karen View Post
    I'd like to see a list of the Christmas presents Burke received that year.
    The only thing we've ever heard about is the Nintendo 64. We know he received more than one thing. I'd like to know what.
    Well, there was either a toy parking garage, or a robot, or Legos...depending on which story of the Ramseys you reference.

    Kolar includes a photo of the "presents" in the cellar room which are opened at the top, like someone peeking into them. There is also a large LEGO box in the group. Kolar points out that Patsy said she opened those packages to remind herself who they were for--in the '98 DA interview, I believe.

    Darn. My brain! My brain! I'm struggling to remember....

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    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    Quote Originally Posted by koldkase View Post
    Well, there was either a toy parking garage, or a robot, or Legos...depending on which story of the Ramseys you reference.

    Kolar includes a photo of the "presents" in the cellar room which are opened at the top, like someone peeking into them. There is also a large LEGO box in the group. Kolar points out that Patsy said she opened those packages to remind herself who they were for--in the '98 DA interview, I believe.

    Darn. My brain! My brain! I'm struggling to remember....
    I thought those presents in that room that weren't meant for relatives in Atlanta were for Burkes birthday?

    You have a mind like a steel trap koldkase and a memory to match! Don't second guess yourself!

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    Quote Originally Posted by koldkase View Post
    Well, there was either a toy parking garage, or a robot, or Legos...depending on which story of the Ramseys you reference.

    Kolar includes a photo of the "presents" in the cellar room which are opened at the top, like someone peeking into them. There is also a large LEGO box in the group. Kolar points out that Patsy said she opened those packages to remind herself who they were for--in the '98 DA interview, I believe.

    Darn. My brain! My brain! I'm struggling to remember....
    1998 Interview

    I've got photographs of the wine cellar. And these were taken during the course of the crime scene investigation. And it shows various presents in the wine cellar. And I just had a couple questions on that. It's 263, 264, 265, 266, 267 -- I'm sorry. We'll eliminate those 266, 267 and 268. we'll just concentrate on the first three. And we'll just show that to the camera and that will make up somewhat of an image. Do you have any comments about that, or does anything that looks out of place? Because you're the one that knows basically your house.
    JOHN RAMSEY: Well Patsy had gotten a bunch of gifts at FAO Swartz up in New York in early December, some of which were for them were for Burke's birthday, which was in January. She didn't know they were in the closet exactly, But the cigar box -- I had some cigars that I kept in the basement because it was kind of humid. And that looks like (INAUDIBLE) like they where the tobacco (INAUDIBLE).
    LOU SMIT: And you (INAUDIBLE)?
    JOHN RAMSEY: Well, at least Monte Christo's were there.
    LOU SMIT: Can you remember if it was a full box (INAUDIBLE) cigars?
    JOHN RAMSEY: I had taken two out, so it should have been reasonably full. I can't quite tell. It's like it's upside down, maybe. Or dumped over.
    LOU SMIT: You notice how the packages seem to be partially opened. Can you explain this?
    JOHN RAMSEY: No, I can't.
    LOU SMIT: So Patsy had gone there and just kind looked to see what was (INAUDBILE)?

    JOHN RAMSEY: It's possible. (INAUDIBLE) I mean, you can figure out what's in them. The cigar box was sitting on a paint can, or something like that. And I believe it shouldn't have.
    “Grueling” (LOL) interview by Lou Smit – 1998

    17 TOM HANEY: Before we go on, could we just talk briefly about the packages, these were presents for whom, the ones that were left in there?
    PATSY RAMSEY: I believe for, you know, held some back for Burke's birthday which is in January.
    TRIP DEMUTH: Okay.
    TOM HANEY: So that could have been that.
    PATSY RAMSEY: Yeah. I don't remember what was in them.
    TOM HANEY: Would any of these packages be opened?
    PATSY RAMSEY: Probably. Well, see, these came up, I was at FAO Schwartz in New York when JonBenet and I were up there for a trip, and I had them sent back to Boulder and they wrapped them, free gift wrapping. So like right here it looks like I kind of peeled a little back to see what was in it because I couldn't remember what was in them.
    TRIP DEMUTH: If the wrapping has been undone partially, that was --
    PATSY RAMSEY: I probably would have done that to peek to see what was in there.
    TRIP DEMUTH: Okay.

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    Lou Smit! He's feeding John answers in an interrogation! "Oh, here, John, let me tell you what Patsy said in HER interview..." OMG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karen View Post
    I thought those presents in that room that weren't meant for relatives in Atlanta were for Burkes birthday?

    You have a mind like a steel trap koldkase and a memory to match! Don't second guess yourself!
    Aw, you're sweet. Sometimes it just gets so crammed with info, I have to go back and sort it out again.

    Which I did: Kolar said Patsy lied to LE when she said she opened those packages in the cellar room herself. He said he subsequently learned it was Burke who had opened them, and questioned why Patsy would feel the need to conceal that.

    The large LEGO box was indeed for Burke's birthday. Two other presents I can identify in the black and white photos--it's hard to tell exactly as they're a bit dark on the printed page--are in the fancy toy store wrappings from New York City, FAO Schwartz?

    That paper can be seen on presents under the Christmas tree with the children on Christmas morning.

    Remember there was some of that paper lying on the floor at the corner of one crime scene photo we have, as well. (See photo below.)

    The shot Kolar includes doesn't show that paper on the floor, however, just on a group shot of some upright packages in front of a large LEGO box.

    I'd like to have all his photos here in our library, but feel I should wait a bit--don't want to steal his thunder, so to speak. Or get arrested, "Pre-Crime" (movie Minority Report) style.
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    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    Quote Originally Posted by heymom View Post
    Lou Smit! He's feeding John answers in an interrogation! "Oh, here, John, let me tell you what Patsy said in HER interview..." OMG.

    You mean you don't think that Lou was trying to "crack" John and get to the truth???

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    Quote Originally Posted by koldkase View Post
    Aw, you're sweet. Sometimes it just gets so crammed with info, I have to go back and sort it out again.

    Which I did: Kolar said Patsy lied to LE when she said she opened those packages in the cellar room herself. He said he subsequently learned it was Burke who had opened them, and questioned why Patsy would feel the need to conceal that.

    The large LEGO box was indeed for Burke's birthday. Two other presents I can identify in the black and white photos--it's hard to tell exactly as they're a bit dark on the printed page--are in the fancy toy store wrappings from New York City, FAO Schwartz?

    That paper can be seen on presents under the Christmas tree with the children on Christmas morning.

    Remember there was some of that paper lying on the floor at the corner of one crime scene photo we have, as well. (See photo below.)

    The shot Kolar includes doesn't show that paper on the floor, however, just on a group shot of some upright packages in front of a large LEGO box.

    I'd like to have all his photos here in our library, but feel I should wait a bit--don't want to steal his thunder, so to speak. Or get arrested, "Pre-Crime" (movie Minority Report) style.

    Thank you koldkase. My book arrives tomorrow so I will be jumping on here with my thought s as I read. Thank you SO MUCH for giving me just enough to tide me over until my book came. You cherry picked well and didn't give away the farm, so to speak.
    I can't wait to see all the new photos he includes!

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    Just FYI, Karen: we've seen most of the photos already. But some are very important that we haven't see, like the Maglight on the kitchen counter that morning.

    I found this FAO Schwarz (no "t" in that name, I found by googling) picture of their Christmas wrapping that year at ACandyRose.com .

    As ever, thanks ACR: without you we'd get nowhere fast!
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    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cherokee View Post
    Okay, thanks.

    I don't doubt the tree wound made by the golf club fit the depression in JonBenet's cracked skull.
    One of the forensic specialists (don't recall whether it was Wecht or Spitz) tested the flashlight and it also made a depression that matched the hole in her skull. Either fit the theory- both were present at the crime scene. If the police had ever been able to determine WHERE she was struck, it might help solve what was used. The golf clubs are in the basement, and the flashlight, though found in the kitchen, may have been used in one of the kids' rooms or elsewhere in the house.
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