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    Quote Originally Posted by Cherokee View Post
    My thoughts exactly, especially the sentence I bolded.

    Patsy and John had a reason to "move on" with their lives; the protection, and raising, of Burke. They didn't want to lose him also. All the lies, all the misdirection, all the rehearsed answers, and all the innocent people thrown under the Ramsey bus, happened because Patsy and John had to shield Burke, and later, had to shield themselves for participating in the cover-up of what really happened to JonBenet.

    What the Ramseys didn't realize in their cover-up was the ransom note was too long, and the crime scene was too staged; but, they still might have gotten away with it if Steve Thomas hadn't been brave enough to write a book exposing the corruption and unethical actions in the case, starting with Boulder DA Alex Hunter's office.

    Another thing the Ramseys, and the Boulder DA, didn't count on was how the internet, in its infancy, would play a huge part in the dissemination of evidence and information from the case. JonBenet's death was no longer was a local case that could be hushed up by local lawyers, politicians and back-room deals, as has been done since time began. Once the Ramsey case went worldwide on the web, the Ramsey's cover-up was seen for what it was.

    Thanks to James Kolar, another courageous detective who saw that Boulder DA Mary Lacy, Alex Hunter's replacement, had no interest in pursuing the truth and evidence about the Ramsey case because it might "hurt her relationship with the Ramseys," we now know more of the story.

    Consequently, a huge rip has been torn through the shield of the cover-up that began on Christmas night 1996. The events surrounding JonBenet's death are starting to fall into place and make sense, and the reasons FOR the cover-up are being confirmed.

    "A horrific domestic accident," as stated by Dr. Henry Lee (who saw all the Ramsey DNA and case evidence) WAS the catalyst that threatened to expose family secrets of sexual abuse/experimentation and a less-than-perfect family. In order to protect a child, and possibly others, the truth was twisted into a ligature, and reality was laid to rest in a cold basement.

    If the Ramseys couldn't save JonBenet; they COULD save Burke. Patsy and John always said it was a good thing JonBenet died when she did because she had fulfilled her purpose on this earth, and she would never know the heartache of cancer or the LOSS OF A CHILD. What a chilling thing to say, but it's the closest we ever got to a confession from Patsy and John of what really happened.

    There is nothing worse than the loss of a child; except the loss of another child.
    Yes, well done.

    And JOB Ramsey was looking at number three.

    And Patsy, as Kolar points out in his book, was looking at her last child.

    Remember she had lost her uterus and ovaries to cancer.

    I know people who are like the Ramseys. They believe they are god-fearing, righteous, good Christians in every way.

    But they can make up and drop a lie in a heartbeat, to accomplish their own personal agenda.

    And they believe that lie the minute it leaves their lips. They justify it to themselves and hold fast to it with all their being.

    When you look in their eyes, they won't flinch as they repeat the lie like it is the gospel truth. It's a truly awful thing to see a human being so self-deluded.

    "University of Colorado Law Professor Paul Campos declared the letter a 'reckless exoneration.' He went on to state, 'Everyone knows that relative immunity from criminal conviction is something money can buy.
    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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  2. #26

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    Quote Originally Posted by heymom View Post
    Well stated, Cherokee. Very well stated. From all the quotes that KK has posted, I expect this book to have an effect on the Ramseys. They will try to deny it, disclaim it, destroy it and the author, but since his book is based on the case evidence, they won't be able to accomplish that.

    Television didn't help the Ramseys disappear either. The coverage of the pageant aspect of JonBenet's short life captured a lot of people's attention and drew a lot of criticism, but even that might have eventually died away had it not been for the internet. However, the internet also gave rise to the Ramsey Spin Team and people like Jameson and Mame. :shrug:

    Dr. Lee was wrong about one thing, though. He termed it an "horrific domestic accident." But whatever was brought down upon JonBenet's head that night was no accident. Perhaps the person who did it was angry, but anger is no accident. Neither was the staging an accident. Accidental homicide, I suppose...No intention to kill the other, but using deadly force does mean something.

    I sure can't say what I would do in such a terrible situation...IF Burke really did smash his sister's head in. He couldn't be prosecuted in Colorado, but I suppose he would have been removed from the home and institutionalized for some time, at least. Maybe his anger was specific to JonBenet and now that she is gone, he is not a risk to others. I don't know if anyone knows, but if anything happens for the rest of his life, the shadow will pursue him, and could overtake him at any time.
    Yes, according to JOB Ramsey, about when Burke is 40.

    "University of Colorado Law Professor Paul Campos declared the letter a 'reckless exoneration.' He went on to state, 'Everyone knows that relative immunity from criminal conviction is something money can buy.
    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elle_1 View Post
    As for the Ramseys they were such a callous pair!
    Yes, Elle, if there is one word to describe the Ramseys, it's callous.

    Patsy repeatedly told LE JonBenet's bed-wetting issues were "no big deal" compared to "I'VE HAD STAGE FOUR CANCER" standards.

    Urine soaked sheets? No big deal! Feces in the bed? No big deal! Poop smeared on the chocolate candy? No big deal!

    JonBenet being sexually assaulted? NO BIG DEAL!

    I believe it was that callousness that resulted in the death of JonBenet.

    Perhaps the tragedy of losing Beth and then Patsy fighting cancer and nearly dying made them all hard.

    So when JonBenet, so small and vulnerable, was being abused, she was yet another "problem" to deal with.

    It's very common to blame the victim when incest is "uncovered" in the family. Very common. Even if she was only blamed as "half" of the problem, she was still being punished.

    And then she got the death penalty.

    "University of Colorado Law Professor Paul Campos declared the letter a 'reckless exoneration.' He went on to state, 'Everyone knows that relative immunity from criminal conviction is something money can buy.
    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    Quote Originally Posted by koldkase View Post
    Yes, according to JOB Ramsey, about when Burke is 40.
    I wonder why he pulled that number out of the air? Maybe after his own death? When Burke is 40, John will be over 80, more like 90. Or, dead.

    You know, there is one problem I just can't work out. OK, say Burke did hit JonBenet over the head that night, and either left her on the floor (likely in the train room) and went back up to bed, or more likely, got scared and ran to Mom and Dad. Patsy and John decide to cover up the act. How do they get Burke to hush up about what happened FOREVER? If they tell him it was an accident, what he did, then wouldn't he think it was nothing to keep from anyone else? If they tell him it was a dream, or it never happened, then he also might tell someone about his "dream" before JonBenet was kidnapped.

    He didn't seem scared or intimidated, so I can't imagine that they scared him by telling him all the terrible consequences that would result if he said anything about what he did.

    The only thing I can think of is if Burke really doesn't have a conscience and doesn't care that he may have killed JonBenet...but then, he might even want to brag about it at some point. I mean, he can't be prosecuted now for something he did when he was 9.

    Tell me how you think Patsy and John could have told Burke that he had to be quiet about what had happened to JonBenet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heymom View Post
    I wonder why he pulled that number out of the air? Maybe after his own death? When Burke is 40, John will be over 80, more like 90. Or, dead.

    You know, there is one problem I just can't work out. OK, say Burke did hit JonBenet over the head that night, and either left her on the floor (likely in the train room) and went back up to bed, or more likely, got scared and ran to Mom and Dad. Patsy and John decide to cover up the act. How do they get Burke to hush up about what happened FOREVER? If they tell him it was an accident, what he did, then wouldn't he think it was nothing to keep from anyone else? If they tell him it was a dream, or it never happened, then he also might tell someone about his "dream" before JonBenet was kidnapped.

    He didn't seem scared or intimidated, so I can't imagine that they scared him by telling him all the terrible consequences that would result if he said anything about what he did.

    The only thing I can think of is if Burke really doesn't have a conscience and doesn't care that he may have killed JonBenet...but then, he might even want to brag about it at some point. I mean, he can't be prosecuted now for something he did when he was 9.

    Tell me how you think Patsy and John could have told Burke that he had to be quiet about what had happened to JonBenet.
    Maybe they just rolled the dice, again.

    Maybe they said, "If you ever tell anyone, ANY ONE, what you did, you'll go to prison and never see us again, you'll be locked in a cage and there will be NO NINTENDO, EVAH!"

    Truly, all we can do is guess.

    But they sure did rush Burke out the door that morning. No questions, he was asleep!

    Except...not. Which it took them how many years to admit? TO THE NATIONAL ENQUIRER? And only after his testimony for the Grand Jury when Burke said he was awake that morning? Was this because they feared it would all get leaked and they wanted to get out in front of it?

    And the enhanced 911 tape was proof of it.

    I doubt we'll ever know all the answers to this murder.

    Kolar believes the answers are in Burke's medical and psychological records. He asked Lacy to subpoena those.

    HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!

    She must have pooped her pants.
    Last edited by koldkase; July 28, 2012, 10:22 am at Sat Jul 28 10:22:15 UTC 2012.

    "University of Colorado Law Professor Paul Campos declared the letter a 'reckless exoneration.' He went on to state, 'Everyone knows that relative immunity from criminal conviction is something money can buy.
    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    Quote Originally Posted by heymom View Post
    I wonder why he pulled that number out of the air? Maybe after his own death? When Burke is 40, John will be over 80, more like 90. Or, dead.
    Here is the Ramsey quote about that, from the CBN interview with Scott Ross:

    http://www.acandyrose.com/07192000ramsey700club.htm

    SCOTT: How is your son Burke? How old is your son?

    PATSY: He is 13 ˝.

    SCOTT: How is he doing?

    PATSY: Well he is a typical 13-year-old.

    JOHN: We worry about Burke longer term. We had him spend time with a child specialist. Kids have ways to bury this and it's black and white and they put it aside. Where it is going to affect Burke probably more so is when he is 40 years old and that's when we worry about it, long term.

    SCOTT: When he is what?

    JOHN: Forty. When he's older.

    PATSY: Perhaps when he has a family of his own or when he has a child of his own or when he is able to put together what could have happened. Why was he not taken and she was? All of those questions.

    SCOTT: Did he ever accuse you, did he ever distance from you?

    PATSY: Oh, no never.

    SCOTT: I don't trust Mom and Dad anymore -- they are murderers?

    PATSY: No.

    JOHN: We were a loving family. We loved our children. We were a typical American family. The other thing that has happened to us that ought to be an offense to the average, typical American family is that we have been accused of all of these horrible things. We love our children. We would do anything for them, as would most American families, and yet the media has assaulted us and in effect the American family.
    So it appears a therapist told Patsy and John Burke would have some residual guilt, etc., when he reaches 40.

    Or not.

    I love how JOB Ramsey blames the media so thoroughly there...when you'd think he'd be focused on blaming THE KILLER.

    "University of Colorado Law Professor Paul Campos declared the letter a 'reckless exoneration.' He went on to state, 'Everyone knows that relative immunity from criminal conviction is something money can buy.
    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    At Websleuths, I just found a brilliant assessment of the Ramsey's psychological dynamic going on with this murder.

    It's short and it's so interesting, if you want to check it out.

    It's the first post on this page, or number 126:

    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...=1#post8203305
    Last edited by Cherokee; July 28, 2012, 12:18 pm at Sat Jul 28 12:18:09 UTC 2012. Reason: changing FFJ to Websleuths

    "University of Colorado Law Professor Paul Campos declared the letter a 'reckless exoneration.' He went on to state, 'Everyone knows that relative immunity from criminal conviction is something money can buy.
    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    The Ramseys always always ALWAYS made sure to point out to the media every time they spoke to them how they were such a normal, typical American family. Leave it to Beaver and Donna Reed. Now we know why that was mentioned so often and how it was so emphasized.
    Burke was a typical 13 year old? I don't think Burke was ever typical his whole life.
    I've raised a family myself. Two boys. They never played with their poop. That's just not normal, typical, I don't care what Patsy says.
    It seems like there was/is (?) something really wrong with Burke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by koldkase View Post
    Yes, Elle, if there is one word to describe the Ramseys, it's callous.

    Patsy repeatedly told LE JonBenet's bed-wetting issues were "no big deal" compared to "I'VE HAD STAGE FOUR CANCER" standards.

    Urine soaked sheets? No big deal! Feces in the bed? No big deal! Poop smeared on the chocolate candy? No big deal!

    JonBenet being sexually assaulted? NO BIG DEAL!

    I believe it was that callousness that resulted in the death of JonBenet.

    Perhaps the tragedy of losing Beth and then Patsy fighting cancer and nearly dying made them all hard.

    So when JonBenet, so small and vulnerable, was being abused, she was yet another "problem" to deal with.

    It's very common to blame the victim when incest is "uncovered" in the family. Very common. Even if she was only blamed as "half" of the problem, she was still being punished.

    And then she got the death penalty.
    Yes KK, the tragedy of losing Beth and Patsy's cancer had to alter their thinking. Too much too handle there!

    I think I'm still leaning towards Burke being the one who hit JonBenét
    over the head while she was eating her pineapple. I don 't know of the distance between the table and the counter where the flashlight was. I did mention this before. Being the way he was, I could see Burke just walking away leaving JB unconscious and not giving a hoot. End results, the Ramseys determined to keep Burke out of it, and instead of a 911 call, they add the finishing touches to the scene with the garrote, and using the jagged end of the broken paint brush,I'm seeing Patsy here trying to
    cover up the previous sexual encounters she knew were there, but she wasn't successful according to the doctors who were asked for their opinion.

    The plan did work for them. The police were up the creek without a paddle because of whole Shebang. I feel this was Patsy's plan. It paid off!

    KK I haven't come across the feces in the candy yet. Oh good grief! I did print quite a lot yesterday and still have to read all of it. Hope I have that
    part printed. This makes me ill. What exact page was that KK?

    I won't receive my book until 17th August. Thank you so much for taking the time to post these pages from the book. You are a treasure!
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    Here's another thought. We always talk about how the Ramseys couldn't get JonBenet's body out of the house that night without being seen, and that the snowfall in the wee hours of the morning closed the door on being able to get rid of the evidence (JonBenet's body).

    But what if the "fixer" or advisor told them that if they DID take JonBenet away from the house, THEIR DNA/fiber evidence would be the only thing present and would tie them to her murder? And told them that what they needed to do instead was contaminate the crime scene as much as possible, with others' DNA, fibers, fingerprints, etc. as well as having people clean up after the police? Maybe it was the decision that one way would mean it was likely that they, the parents, would be found out as the ones who tightened the noose, and going the other way would mean that nothing could be pinned on them for certain, especially if they mucked up the crime scene and then GOT THE HELL OUT OF DODGE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karen View Post
    The Ramseys always always ALWAYS made sure to point out to the media every time they spoke to them how they were such a normal, typical American family. Leave it to Beaver and Donna Reed. Now we know why that was mentioned so often and how it was so emphasized.
    Burke was a typical 13 year old? I don't think Burke was ever typical his whole life.
    I've raised a family myself. Two boys. They never played with their poop. That's just not normal, typical, I don't care what Patsy says.
    It seems like there was/is (?) something really wrong with Burke.
    Oh this is sickening, Karen. I hope I have this page printed (?). It is considerate of KK to post these pages from Kolar's book to keep us updated. I read that Burke may have Autism. Has this been confirmed?
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    Remember there were rumors that before the 911 call was placed that a call to the governor's office was made? Didn't the Rams have a relationship with him? Was this put in this book? I remember hearing about that back in the day and it is telling, if true.
    I despise the Ramseys and this is just my opinion



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