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    It's been a long time for me too but I seem to recall ST theorizing that the flashlight might have been the murder weapon, but the death could have also been caused by JBR getting knocked down and hitting her head on something like the bath tub.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cynic View Post
    This is actually old news; Steve Thomas went into it in some detail:
    A group of our Dream Team attorneys and detectives walked into an ambush during a visit to the Fifteenth Street Ramsey home, after receiving permission and being let in by a Realtor. As they spent two hours going from room to room, discussing how the case facts fit with the geographic layout of the house, Team Ramsey was secretly videotaping our moves.
    Police discovered four tiny cameras hidden inside motion detectors and followed the wires to a videotape recorder and monitor locked in a basement closet. The cameras covered the basement, JonBenét’s bedroom, and part of the main floor—precisely the areas where our team had stopped and talked about the case. A tape was retrieved showing our team on the site.
    The videotape recorder did not record continuously but required a physical act to switch it on. Someone had activated it only an hour and fifteen minutes before our people arrived.

    The covert surveillance could have been a crime if a listening device had also been found. I was willing to bet there was a miniaturized bug planted in there somewhere, but FBI technicians said they would be unable to find it without tearing the house apart. Beckner declared it a crime scene, had the locks changed, and seized all the video equipment as evidence.
    The Ramsey lawyers and private investigators later admitted that the video equipment belonged to them and claimed it was installed because of concerns about trespassing. If that were true, why didn’t they tell us before, and why did they have the cameras running? I didn’t believe them, but although the incident screamed for a thorough investigation, it went away, just like Computergate.

    JonBenet: Inside the Ramsey Murder Investigation, Steve Thomas, pages 271 - 272
    I didn't remember that passage. How did the Ramsey team know that the BPD investigators were going to be at the house? There must have been a mole in the BPD. Or Hunter himself?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BobC View Post
    It's been a long time for me too but I seem to recall ST theorizing that the flashlight might have been the murder weapon, but the death could have also been caused by JBR getting knocked down and hitting her head on something like the bath tub.
    Yes, Steve Thomas thought this too, Bob!
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    Thanks Cynic. You always come through. It has been a long time for me too from reading ST book. I admire your ready knowledge on all facets of this case. My
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    Quote Originally Posted by heymom View Post
    I didn't remember that passage. How did the Ramsey team know that the BPD investigators were going to be at the house? There must have been a mole in the BPD. Or Hunter himself?
    This incident happened in July, 1997, and BPD had released it as a crime scene. I started to answer you that probably the realtor told JR that the BPD were wanting access to the house.

    But I looked up the passage in Kolar's book, and the preceding paragraph said otherwise:

    Though Boulder Police had originally requested a search warrant to return to the premises, the D.A.'s office secured the consent of the family and their realtor for the investigators to conduct their inquiries.
    Foreign Faction; A. James Kolar
    So indeed, Hunter tipped them off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by otg View Post
    This incident happened in July, 1997, and BPD had released it as a crime scene. I started to answer you that probably the realtor told JR that the BPD were wanting access to the house.

    But I looked up the passage in Kolar's book, and the preceding paragraph said otherwise:


    So indeed, Hunter tipped them off.
    Ah. Well, that explains the general access to the house, but not how someone turned on the machine to record JUST BEFORE the BPD got there. Unless they had to call the realtor every time, like someone would if they were going to do a showing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by otg View Post
    This incident happened in July, 1997, and BPD had released it as a crime scene. I started to answer you that probably the realtor told JR that the BPD were wanting access to the house.

    But I looked up the passage in Kolar's book, and the preceding paragraph said otherwise:


    So indeed, Hunter tipped them off.
    Good ol' Alex Hunter ... a bonafide member of Team Ramsey since Day One.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fr brown View Post
    [FONT="Georgia"]Burke's fingerprints were on the dish with the pineapple and it appears Kolar thinks Burke smeared feces on the candy box in JonBenet's room. And then there was the Hi-TEC bootprint where the body was found. Thomas didn't know it belonged to Burke, but he knew it was a possibility.
    Could it be definitely established that the boot print was from Burke's Hi-Tecs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rashomon View Post
    Could it be definitely established that the boot print was from Burke's Hi-Tecs?
    No. The print couldn't be connected to any specific Hi-Tec boots, and the boots reportedly owned by Burke were never recovered. But the police have evidence that Burke did indeed have a pair of these boots. Kolar, p. 227

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    Quote Originally Posted by Britt View Post
    No. The print couldn't be connected to any specific Hi-Tec boots, and the boots reportedly owned by Burke were never recovered. But the police have evidence that Burke did indeed have a pair of these boots. Kolar, p. 227
    What has always puzzled me: Even if it was only a partial boot print: wouldn't it have been possible to determine from the dimensions of the print whether it was from an adult shoe size or from a size fitting a nine-year-old?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobC View Post
    It's been a long time for me too but I seem to recall ST theorizing that the flashlight might have been the murder weapon, but the death could have also been caused by JBR getting knocked down and hitting her head on something like the bath tub.
    Methinks the FFJ Mod Squad are moving away from this theory, Bob.
    Too late for me to attend night school to keep up with their technical jargon. I'll just have to stand in the Wings and wait for the next act to appear!
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    Originally Posted by koldkase
    i'm not sure how much of this i should post, but as chief kolar stated he wrote this to get information about the case into the public, i'm going to go for it. Mods, if you need to edit, go ahead, no problem.

    This is by no means the entirety of kolar's chapter on sbp. It's a long chapter with astonishing statistics and sources on the violent and sometimes criminal behaviors of children and minors in this country, specifically in 1996. It's a must read for this case.

    This section is more specific to this murder, though, so brace yourselves for some evidence we have not known about, as well as putting some we have into context. It's not pretty.

    From ff:wrkj?, kolar; pages 367-70:


    Karen;191005]o m g !!!!!!! I'm going to revisit all the evidence we've known about forever and look at it with one particular individual in mind. From everything I can think of off the top of my head it's all finally starting to fall into place and make sense. I never thought I would say it is all starting to make sense when I considered this case, but it's true now. It's really really true. WOW. I'm shocked.

    Thank you koldkase for posting this info. Amazon emailed me and they're sending my book a week earlier than what was scheduled so I will have it by the 31st at the latest.

    I'm still sitting here stunned..................!


    ETA: So this is why the BPD wanted to interview Burke again in 2010, under a new DA.?

    Did he say anything about the book "Campfire Tales"?
    Patsy said in one of her interviews the book "Why Johnny can't tell right from wrong" was about the public school system, given to her by her father. !!!!!!!!
    Karen,

    You say you are stunned by reading ( From ff:wrkj?, kolar; pages 367-70) from KoldKase's post. I am sick inside and stunned too, because I have just come across KK's above post and I don't know how I missed it. Was I having a bad time way back then, I wonder(?). Oh geez! It's 2:40 am and my husband and I were still up with visitors who arrived very late. So I thought I would unwind by reading some posts here. Koldkase, I missed this post where you ask posters to brace themselves for evidence we have not known about.

    Karen was stunned by reading pages 367-70. So am I! I don't know how I missed this post KK? I feel sick inside. Good grief, here am I saying in my posts that Burke was too young to know why there would be evidence of sexual abuse in Jonbenét's vagina. I'm speechless. Then it has to be Burke who was abusing JonBenét sexually. End of story.

    Kolar advised us not to jump ahead, but I can see why Koldkase had to jump ahead. Everything falls into place here. The Ramseys were protecting their son, Burke. End of story!
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