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    Tell me what you see. Warning: If you are easily upset by psychopathic children do not watch this documentary:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ME2wmFunCjU

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    Oh Bob, I have never seen anything so frightening as watching and listening to what this young girl Beth had to say when she was asked what she would do to her younger brother with the end result of torturing him being to "kill him". Never in all my life have I ever watched anything like this. This is frightening to know we may have many young children out there not getting proper treatment for being so evil as a result of being abused by a birth parent.

    We should all have been informed about children like this long ago, but it was probably hidden. I do know when a new baby comes into the house, one has to be very careful of toddlers not being left alone with a new baby, because they are curious and can harm a tiny baby, but not realize what they are doing, but a little baby wouldn't have a chance with older children like Beth who was abused by her birth father.

    Thank you for enlightening me, Bob!
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    I don't know, but this little girl has pat answers for the psychiatrist's question about her birth father. She was only 19 mos. old when she was adopted, and says the abuse was happening when she was 1. Does she really remember it so clearly? I am not saying that it can't happen, or that it won't cause damage to the child. But I do wonder at putting these children in front of questions such as those the psychiatrist is asking. It seems as though he is almost encouraging her to answer in a certain way. She could well be psychopathic but not have the reasons for that condition, KWIM?
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    Elle--back in the early 90's I worked at a residential treatment center for emotionally disturbed kids and I saw cases that you would not believe. The simple truth of the matter is that your average person out there couldn't handle what really goes on. I am talking about 6 month old girls getting raped, parents shooting themselves in front of their children, parents starving their children, and things of that nature. I grew up really fast in that job.

    Several things struck me about this documentary.

    One, the statement by the woman who was running the treatment center saying she had kids who were 9 years old who killed siblings, and how you wouldn't think that was possible. Well, it is possible.

    Two, the parents thought the little boy had some sort of digestive medical problem because he constantly had stomach aches. In reality the girl was constantly punching him in the stomach. The boy was too young to know how to really communicate what was going on to his parents, so they were in the dark.

    Then I thought about JBR going to the doctor dozens of times in a three year period.

    Then I thought Kolar was really hot to get Burke's psychiatric/medical records, and JBR's as well.

    Most families have secrets but some are darker than others'.

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    Heymom--I can tell you from working with kids like this it can and does happen to kids that age. The situation that they described about finding the boy with a flattened head, starving, dirty diaper etc is one that I saw several times. You read these case histories and you cannot believe what goes on. It is most likely that when these kids were taken from that horrible home, they were given physicals and the signs of severe sexual abuse were there. From there the kids are often given therapy and told about what happened to them so that they can come to understand that what happened to them was wrong and the cause of their intense rage.

    We had one girl, I'll call her Kat, who was 12 YO when we got her. She had almost no hair on her head because she'd pulled most of it out during what we called "rituals" ( a repeated destructive behavior that shows extreme anxiety). You couldn't stop her. She was also relentlessly sexual. One day I caught all of my boys gawking out a window and when I went to investigate, I saw Kat outside that window with no shirt on. She was putting on a show because she learned early on that this was "normal." I later learned her single mother had several garbage boyfriends and she allowed them to have sex with Kat. I don't recall the earliest rape age, but it was something like 4 years old.

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    Oh, Bob, I know it happens to little children!! It is horrible what human beings can do to their own children.

    I only meant that the interview with the psychiatrist seems to be leading her into certain answers, and I do wonder if she can actually remember what happened to her at age 1. If all of the abuse is documented, then I would say much LATER on, she could be told, but how can they tell a little girl these things and her not have any context for what happened? Her little brain is not even able to absorb the meaning of it.

    I just remember the cases where children were supposedly being tortured in Satanic rituals by their daycare providers, and all of the reports were false - the events had never happened and it was the questioners who were leading the children to say what they did...They didn't even understand what they were saying and what the ramifications were, they were just telling the story they were being led to tell. People were put in prison for that, and the mythology said that children never lie, but they sure do, and they can also be led to say just about anything by adults.

    Again, I am NOT saying that this "Beth" girl has not been abused, please don't misunderstand me. Only that the interview seems to be leading her. If you watch Part 2, the doctor asks her about some baby birds that she supposedly killed. She doesn't really seem to remember but then he coaches her, "It's all right, you're doing fine. Do you know what you mom told me? That you killed the baby birds. Did you squeeze the birds?" Well, she parrots back, "Yes I squeezed the baby birds." Even though she didn't remember doing that 2 minutes before.

    Edited to add: This girl did get therapy in COLORADO....hmmmmm
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    There have definitely been therapists who plant suggestions in kids' minds, but I don't think this was one of those times. I despise those "do-gooders" who want every parent to be a molester, every man to be a rapist, etc.

    I don't think this is one of those. The therapist is obviously just recounting to her what her parents had already told him--and he is trying assess her threat level and whether or not she needs to be institutionalized. I think he made the first choice.

    We had, I'd guess, about 60 kids at our facility and if you read the case files, you will learn that virtually all of the ED kids were products of a highly unstable home life, usually with molestation going on. Boys will rarely talk about it. We had one boy who clearly had something organically wrong with his brain--he'd been an uncontrollable fire starter since age two--but all the rest were products of their environment. Most of the cases I saw did not involve a father, but instead boyfriends of the mother.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobC View Post
    Elle--back in the early 90's I worked at a residential treatment center for emotionally disturbed kids and I saw cases that you would not believe. The simple truth of the matter is that your average person out there couldn't handle what really goes on. I am talking about 6 month old girls getting raped, parents shooting themselves in front of their children, parents starving their children, and things of that nature. I grew up really fast in that job.

    Several things struck me about this documentary.

    One, the statement by the woman who was running the treatment center saying she had kids who were 9 years old who killed siblings, and how you wouldn't think that was possible. Well, it is possible.

    Two, the parents thought the little boy had some sort of digestive medical problem because he constantly had stomach aches. In reality the girl was constantly punching him in the stomach. The boy was too young to know how to really communicate what was going on to his parents, so they were in the dark.

    Then I thought about JBR going to the doctor dozens of times in a three year period.

    Then I thought Kolar was really hot to get Burke's psychiatric/medical records, and JBR's as well.

    Most families have secrets but some are darker than others'.
    I don't know how you handled it all, Bob. You are right when you say
    an average person out there couldn't handle what really goes on. I couldn't! It takes a very special trained person to be able to handle this.
    Ordinary home emergencies with my own family I can handle, and that's it!

    I'm sorry you were confronted with such traumatic incidents. I think this would be enough to make a person permanently ill. Too much is being held back from the public. It's good this information is now out there to shock the whole lot of us into demanding drastic measures be taken to stop it!

    Not everyone will be able to handle this information Bob. I know you know that! I for one am more than glad that you enlightened me in my Senior years. My husband read it too, and he was shocked.

    Truthfully, I am handling this in small doses!
    elle: The RST can't handle the truth!
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    Elle--it never occurred to me to abandon these kids or be put off by it. We had several great success stories. These kids just needed a sane, stable home life. I still occasionally have those kids e-mailing me, which is the biggest reward I can ever get.

    I am really surprised that more FFJ posters are not reading between the lines of my original post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobC View Post
    Elle--it never occurred to me to abandon these kids or be put off by it. We had several great success stories. These kids just needed a sane, stable home life. I still occasionally have those kids e-mailing me, which is the biggest reward I can ever get.

    I am really surprised that more FFJ posters are not reading between the lines of my original post.
    For sure you can hold your head up Bob, and be proud you had the courage to help these children when they needed to put their trust in someone after the bad treatment they went through at home, or elsewhere. It is good to hear these children, probably adults now, keep in touch with you. This is a reward in itself, Bob.

    I feel more help relating to these abused children should come from your government, and it all should be brought out into the open so there is more understanding shown towards the children to allow them to get back on track and live a normal life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BobC View Post
    Elle--it never occurred to me to abandon these kids or be put off by it. We had several great success stories. These kids just needed a sane, stable home life. I still occasionally have those kids e-mailing me, which is the biggest reward I can ever get.

    I am really surprised that more FFJ posters are not reading between the lines of my original post.
    Oh I can see that you are drawing a parallel between this little girl and Burke. And in fact, I think Chief Kolar may have drawn the same conclusion - that Burke was one of those children of rage. Without a conscience. That he did molest and finally kill his sister. I wonder about it too. This little girl, Beth Thomas, did get therapy and she did finally learn right from wrong. When they asked her in Part 3, about what she had done to her brother, she started to cry, exactly as she should, feeling bad and guilty about what she had done. And I know Burke was in treatment after JonBenet's death - and maybe before. So perhaps he also improved with treatment. I hope that he did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BobC View Post
    Tell me what you see. Warning: If you are easily upset by psychopathic children do not watch this documentary:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ME2wmFunCjU
    Wow! I see what you're referring to. This little girl's private parts were, as she describes them, raw from rubbing herself....she was abused and she abused herself...thereby causing vaginal irritation, etc....

    Wow!



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