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    Quote Originally Posted by koldkase View Post
    I always like to read other points of view on this case, especially if they come from someone with intelligence and other life experiences to give us another perspective.

    I think someone who has a background in abnormal psychology might be just the person to help us now. Clearly there was a lot of abnormal psychology going on in the Ramsey house.
    Well, I have on-the-job training...

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    If you know the story of the ballet "Swan Lake", the innocent White Swan Odette had an evil twin- Odile, the Black Swan. She was lustful, seductive and violent- the very opposite of her innocent, sweet, pure sister.
    I haven't read the book in question, but I suppose that interestingly-titled chapter could refer to a "twin personality" (Patsy's) that came out sometimes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeDee View Post
    If you know the story of the ballet "Swan Lake", the innocent White Swan Odette had an evil twin- Odile, the Black Swan. She was lustful, seductive and violent- the very opposite of her innocent, sweet, pure sister.
    I haven't read the book in question, but I suppose that interestingly-titled chapter could refer to a "twin personality" (Patsy's) that came out sometimes.
    Maybe, but there's also a book out titled, "The Black Swan," which is sort of an Occam's Razor theory - the simplest explanation to a problem is probably the correct one. At least that's what I *think* it's about, according to my son.
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    Dee Dee and Hey Mom, Very interesting suggestions about the chapter title "The Black Swan".
    "When are we going to get our heads out of the sand and understand that sometimes really nice people who look good on the outside are dastardly on the inside." Wendy Murphy, former prosecutor, MA

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeDee View Post
    If you know the story of the ballet "Swan Lake", the innocent White Swan Odette had an evil twin- Odile, the Black Swan. She was lustful, seductive and violent- the very opposite of her innocent, sweet, pure sister.
    I haven't read the book in question, but I suppose that interestingly-titled chapter could refer to a "twin personality" (Patsy's) that came out sometimes.
    Thank you DeeDee for this information. I agree with you about Patsy maybe having a "twin Personality". As I recently watched the youtube I posted, she turns into "The Wicked Witch of the West" while going through her interview with Tom Haney, slapping her thigh on a regular basis which made a loud noise. I was expecting her to jump out of the chair and bop him one. This was a different Patsy Ramsey from the one we all know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heymom View Post
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    It is a bit of a catch-all label, isn't it?

    "University of Colorado Law Professor Paul Campos declared the letter a 'reckless exoneration.' He went on to state, 'Everyone knows that relative immunity from criminal conviction is something money can buy.
    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    Quote Originally Posted by zoomama View Post
    I agree with all of you so far. I too read the available pages and kept waiting for SOMETHING to pop up and hit me between the eyes, so to speak. It was a retelling of what we know so far. I guess. There was a chapter titled "The Black Swan" that I went to look for just because of the title and wondered what it held for the reader. Couldn't find that particular chapter but then it was late and my eyes were crossing so I quit.

    I wonder what prompted this author to write his book? He is former Secret Service. Hmmm. The psych angle to the Ramsey children is getting more play these days and I guess this is where he is leading the reader. But without medical or Therapy records it is mostly guess work now. If those records exist now it would be very interesting to read them.

    Ok just went to check on that chapter again and it all about the DNA results. Also the author is now a retired Secret Service agent and now is a financial advisor but has an interest in the darker side of abnormal psychology. Ok!
    So maybe this is the allusion to "Black Swan" which DeeDee brings up? Sounds like genetics to me.

    "University of Colorado Law Professor Paul Campos declared the letter a 'reckless exoneration.' He went on to state, 'Everyone knows that relative immunity from criminal conviction is something money can buy.
    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elle_1 View Post
    Thank you for updating us with this book, cynic. What are we in store for, I wonder, when I read John Taylor's interest in abnormal psychology and the darker side of human nature has led him to conduct extensive research into numerous unsolved crimes (?).
    I'm intrigued, Karen. I'm ordering it too!
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    Well I received the book today but I haven't yet even cracked it open. I'll get to it later tonight and post about it tomorrow. Hi Elle!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karen View Post
    Well I received the book today but I haven't yet even cracked it open. I'll get to it later tonight and post about it tomorrow. Hi Elle!
    Surviving Karen! Were you up all night reading it? Did you order from Amazon?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elle_1 View Post
    Surviving Karen! Were you up all night reading it? Did you order from Amazon?
    Hi Elle! I have read a little of the book now. He's so darn smart he writes like a psycholigist or whtever he is. He's really smart and extremely detail oriented. For instance he spends about 5 whole pages on whether or not Patsy handed the ransom note to John or she told him it was downstairs and he went down there and read it. Since the Ramseys gave so many different stories he takes them one by one and shows the reader how and why this or that couldn't have happened that way. It's fascinating really and I would recommend everybody get this book.

    There is one thing I noticed that I hadn't read anywhere else. He says John had broken that basement window more than once when he lost or misplaced his keys. He doesn't elaborate, at least not in the chapter I read it in, so I don't know anything more.

    He has read Kolars book and cites it in the Black Swan chapter about the DNA. He also says the DNA is a red herring. He explains it painstakingly but very understandably.

    It's very interesting reading. I feel like I'm reading a schoolbook and this professor is teaching me something. He writes like an academic. I can honestly say I don't think I've read any other Ramsey book written like this one is.

    I'll be reading some more tonight so I'll keep adding to this thread.
    Does anybody else have the book?

    Yes, Elle, I ordered from Amazon and got two day shipping. I love Amazon.com!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karen View Post
    Hi Elle! I have read a little of the book now. He's so darn smart he writes like a psycholigist or whtever he is. He's really smart and extremely detail oriented. For instance he spends about 5 whole pages on whether or not Patsy handed the ransom note to John or she told him it was downstairs and he went down there and read it. Since the Ramseys gave so many different stories he takes them one by one and shows the reader how and why this or that couldn't have happened that way. It's fascinating really and I would recommend everybody get this book.

    There is one thing I noticed that I hadn't read anywhere else. He says John had broken that basement window more than once when he lost or misplaced his keys. He doesn't elaborate, at least not in the chapter I read it in, so I don't know anything more.

    He has read Kolars book and cites it in the Black Swan chapter about the DNA. He also says the DNA is a red herring. He explains it painstakingly but very understandably.

    It's very interesting reading. I feel like I'm reading a schoolbook and this professor is teaching me something. He writes like an academic. I can honestly say I don't think I've read any other Ramsey book written like this one is.

    I'll be reading some more tonight so I'll keep adding to this thread.
    Does anybody else have the book?

    Yes, Elle, I ordered from Amazon and got two day shipping. I love Amazon.com!
    Karen,

    They didn't have this book in Amazon (Canada) so I won't receive it until late November. I had the same deal with Chief Kolar's book. Unfortunately, for me , there's no free shipping to Canada for any books I order, plus, I won't receive it until the 22nd. November. I'm not mean with myself. I tell myself I deserve it!

    You wrote an enthusiastic summary of this book, Karen, so I'll look forward to what you have to say. You and Koldkase should be working for Amazon selling their books for them. You're both good at it!
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