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    Quote Originally Posted by Karen View Post
    Hi Elle! I have read a little of the book now. He's so darn smart he writes like a psycholigist or whtever he is. He's really smart and extremely detail oriented. For instance he spends about 5 whole pages on whether or not Patsy handed the ransom note to John or she told him it was downstairs and he went down there and read it. Since the Ramseys gave so many different stories he takes them one by one and shows the reader how and why this or that couldn't have happened that way. It's fascinating really and I would recommend everybody get this book.

    There is one thing I noticed that I hadn't read anywhere else. He says John had broken that basement window more than once when he lost or misplaced his keys. He doesn't elaborate, at least not in the chapter I read it in, so I don't know anything more.

    He has read Kolars book and cites it in the Black Swan chapter about the DNA. He also says the DNA is a red herring. He explains it painstakingly but very understandably.

    It's very interesting reading. I feel like I'm reading a schoolbook and this professor is teaching me something. He writes like an academic. I can honestly say I don't think I've read any other Ramsey book written like this one is.

    I'll be reading some more tonight so I'll keep adding to this thread.
    Does anybody else have the book?

    Yes, Elle, I ordered from Amazon and got two day shipping. I love Amazon.com!
    Oh, thanks Karen. Good review. Now I want to read it. I love it when writers teach me stuff. I'm going to order.

    One thing: John Ramsey told Smit, I think, though it could have been Thomas, but one of them, that he had broken that window more than once to get in when he didn't have a key. It's in the LE transcripts in our library.

    Since John couldn't "remember" how he actually went into that well and window and told a story that is not even possible, that made his claims more unbelievable to me.

    "University of Colorado Law Professor Paul Campos declared the letter a 'reckless exoneration.' He went on to state, 'Everyone knows that relative immunity from criminal conviction is something money can buy.
    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    Quote Originally Posted by koldkase View Post
    Oh, thanks Karen. Good review. Now I want to read it. I love it when writers teach me stuff. I'm going to order.

    One thing: John Ramsey told Smit, I think, though it could have been Thomas, but one of them, that he had broken that window more than once to get in when he didn't have a key. It's in the LE transcripts in our library.

    Since John couldn't "remember" how he actually went into that well and window and told a story that is not even possible, that made his claims more unbelievable to me.
    I haven't gotten that far in the book but so far I'm a little disappointed that he subscribes to Wechts theory that Jonbenet was strangled first and hit after. He's referring a lot to Wecths book. Hmmmmmm. Still reading.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karen View Post
    I haven't gotten that far in the book but so far I'm a little disappointed that he subscribes to Wechts theory that Jonbenet was strangled first and hit after. He's referring a lot to Wecths book. Hmmmmmm. Still reading.
    Oh, not good. I will wait for your further review.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karen View Post
    I haven't gotten that far in the book but so far I'm a little disappointed that he subscribes to Wechts theory that Jonbenet was strangled first and hit after. He's referring a lot to Wecths book. Hmmmmmm. Still reading.
    Well, Wecht carries a lot of credibility weight. I understand that. The man should know what he's talking about.

    However...in this case, I think he, a lot like Dr. Spitz, is a busy man who spends little time chasing down details, depending more on his past experience than on specifics of a case he's only writing about, not actively working for LE.

    While I think it was very easy for Dr. Wecht to see the autopsy report and determine there was prior molestation, based on the forensic science there, not to mention, all the other specialists and experts who also made the same determination, the timing of the head blow and strangulation is less precise of a science, from all I've read.

    I think Dr. Wecht took the prior molestation, the strangulation, and added that to the head blow and came up with what wouldn't be too unreasonable if you believe a 9/10 year old child did it all.

    The flaw with Wecht's erotic strangulation theory, IMO, is that no adult would ever have put a ligature on a child without padding under it to perform erotic strangulation on her, especially one being groomed and paraded around pageants routinely, and not expect to be found out PDQ.

    So the only way Wecht's theory works for him is if Burke did it all. I do believe that's his theory, as well.

    But there is another, more serious flaw in it: the cord found on her neck would not release. I've made a similar demonstration one myself, based on the photos of the wrist ligature knot, which Kolar also confirmed the knot on the neck ligature was a slip knot. It won't release.

    So how did this killer release this ligature and then tighten it?

    It won't fly.

    Sorry, Dr. Wecht. Wrong conclusion in this case.

    I will give him this, though: if the timing of the head blow and strangulation could, in fact, have been simultaneous, then Burke is still in the picture for me as doing possibly both. But I don't see it as erotic strangulation, just an out of control child who viciously killed his sister.

    But I don't think that's what happened.

    I think the swelling and bleeding of the brain took some time, as Kolar indicated other medical forensic experts believe. Otherwise I don't think we'd have Patsy's clothing fibers all over the body, tied into the ligature knots, and on the duct tape staged in the cellar room.

    "University of Colorado Law Professor Paul Campos declared the letter a 'reckless exoneration.' He went on to state, 'Everyone knows that relative immunity from criminal conviction is something money can buy.
    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    I can't forget my friend Delmar England's garrote analysis. He worked so hard to point out the garrote was a phoney!

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    Believe it or not I think he is leaning to a Burke did it conclusion. I think.
    He also isn't alluding to anything erotic about the strangulation.
    One thing he is making very clear though is that he doesn't think John Ramsey had anything to do with or even knew about what happened overnight on Dec. 25/26. But he goes into great detail about all the lies JR and PR told and how they threw everyone under the bus to save their own hides.
    This is definitely a RDI theory book. He delves deep in to the Ramseys "abnormal psychology" and explains even the smallest facts that we here have known forever in a step by step psychological way. It's hard to explain, really.
    It is very fascinating reading because I've never seen the facts and explanations of the facts laid out like this. It's very clinical.
    He also lays out all the lies and explains in great detail why they are obvious lies, and why they lied and what they were hoping to achieve by the lie.
    I would recommend getting this book. There's no new news so far but the way he lays things out is almost like a textbook.
    If no one else is getting the book I will start posting direct quotes from it so you all can see what I mean. But if anybody else is getting it I don't want to ruin it by giving my opinion on what he says and possibly skew someone else s opinion before they even crack the book open.
    Let me know what to do you guys. Still reading...........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karen View Post
    Believe it or not I think he is leaning to a Burke did it conclusion. I think.
    He also isn't alluding to anything erotic about the strangulation.
    One thing he is making very clear though is that he doesn't think John Ramsey had anything to do with or even knew about what happened overnight on Dec. 25/26. But he goes into great detail about all the lies JR and PR told and how they threw everyone under the bus to save their own hides.
    This is definitely a RDI theory book. He delves deep in to the Ramseys "abnormal psychology" and explains even the smallest facts that we here have known forever in a step by step psychological way. It's hard to explain, really.
    It is very fascinating reading because I've never seen the facts and explanations of the facts laid out like this. It's very clinical.
    He also lays out all the lies and explains in great detail why they are obvious lies, and why they lied and what they were hoping to achieve by the lie.
    I would recommend getting this book. There's no new news so far but the way he lays things out is almost like a textbook.
    If no one else is getting the book I will start posting direct quotes from it so you all can see what I mean. But if anybody else is getting it I don't want to ruin it by giving my opinion on what he says and possibly skew someone else s opinion before they even crack the book open.
    Let me know what to do you guys. Still reading...........
    You won't ruin it for me, Karen! I have to wait a long time as I mentioned. Amazon Canada didn't have it. It's good of you to give us your time. We all have our own opinions, but we do have to read what others have to say. You be our reporter! Many people out there think John Ramsey was just involved in the cover up! What choice did he have if this was true?

    Would you believe, Karen, The UPS Van just delivered my book. So I can now check up on what you're going to post. My Jim is two thirds of the way through
    Kolar's "Foreign Faction" and he said it was more or less confirmation of what I have told him about the case throughout the last few years. He is further ahead than I am, but I will just let him finish it and I will read Taylor's "Umbrella of Suspicion." Jim thinks it was Burke, with his parents covering up for him. We may all end up feeling the same! (?).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karen View Post
    Believe it or not I think he is leaning to a Burke did it conclusion. I think.
    He also isn't alluding to anything erotic about the strangulation.
    One thing he is making very clear though is that he doesn't think John Ramsey had anything to do with or even knew about what happened overnight on Dec. 25/26. But he goes into great detail about all the lies JR and PR told and how they threw everyone under the bus to save their own hides.
    This is definitely a RDI theory book. He delves deep in to the Ramseys "abnormal psychology" and explains even the smallest facts that we here have known forever in a step by step psychological way. It's hard to explain, really.
    It is very fascinating reading because I've never seen the facts and explanations of the facts laid out like this. It's very clinical.
    He also lays out all the lies and explains in great detail why they are obvious lies, and why they lied and what they were hoping to achieve by the lie.
    I would recommend getting this book. There's no new news so far but the way he lays things out is almost like a textbook.
    If no one else is getting the book I will start posting direct quotes from it so you all can see what I mean. But if anybody else is getting it I don't want to ruin it by giving my opinion on what he says and possibly skew someone else s opinion before they even crack the book open.
    Let me know what to do you guys. Still reading...........
    A bizarre idea I just had...

    What if...Burke did the whole thing, and Patsy and John deliberately put fiber evidence at the crime scene to draw suspicion away from him? John had been reading "Mind Hunters," by John Douglas - surely that mentioned fiber evidence? What if John and Patsy decided that if anyone was going down for the death of JonBenet, it had to be one of them and not Burke? I still have trouble picturing Patsy wearing that damn jacket inside the house...but then again, the basement was cold, right? Maybe she did put it back on when they had to go down and deal with JonBenet there in the hallway...

    Sure, post quotes if you want, Karen, I would buy the book anyway just to have it in my JBR library!
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    Thank you Karen for your great reporting. For some odd reason I can't explain I'm going to pass on this latest book and will be grateful for your excellent excerpts instead. What you have written so far is interesting indeed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zoomama View Post
    Thank you Karen for your great reporting. For some odd reason I can't explain I'm going to pass on this latest book and will be grateful for your excellent excerpts instead. What you have written so far is interesting indeed.
    I understand you zm. I hesitated too, but the fact my husband is reading Kolar's book, I just didn't want to stop the rythm of his reading because he is a fast reader and pows his way through books, wheras I read at random depending on my mood. This afternoon, he was reading Kolar's book and I was reading Taylor's book - both about the Jonbenét Ramsey case. This is a first!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karen View Post
    I haven't gotten that far in the book but so far I'm a little disappointed that he subscribes to Wechts theory that Jonbenet was strangled first and hit after.
    Wecht's theory contradicts the evidence Kolar presents his book re the time line of the injuries: all medical experts LE consulted on the case came to the conclusion that the head injury came first.
    Kolar quotes Dr. Rorke who pointed out that neurological changes to the brain cells indicated a period of survival after the blow between 45 minutes and 2 hours. (see Kolar's book, p. 64).

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    I personally feel JonBenét's head injury came first, causing her to pass out and therefore cause the staging because it was too late to save her.

    Hypothetically, if Burke was the one who hit JonBenét over the head with a flashlight or whatever(?) ... knocked her unconscious (?). He may have panicked and wakened up Patsy and John, and the staging began (?).
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