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    While reading Patsy's 1998 interview with BDA Hunter's team, for the hundredth time, looking for something else, of course, I found this again and think I better put it here for discussion, since we've only heard a million times--no exaggeration--that the Ramseys had no such thing as duct tape in their home.

    It's a throwaway line, really, but I remember another part of the interview earlier in which Patsy used a similar phrase she repeats here, almost as if she's rehearsed this.

    Let's review:

    From the 1998 interview, going over crime scene photos with Haney and Demuth:

    On June 25th, Thursday; page 0461 of the transcript:

    0461
    1 PATSY RAMSEY: It was normally open.
    2 TRIP DEMUTH: Okay.
    3 PATSY RAMSEY: (Inaudible).
    4 TOM HANEY: How about 375, just a close up
    5 again, and 376.
    6 PATSY RAMSEY: That looks like that might be
    7 that little sink in the basement. Yeah, the sink in
    8 the basement. I think that is the sink in the
    9 basement, yeah.
    10 TOM HANEY: Nothing out of the ordinary?
    11 PATSY RAMSEY: No.
    12 TOM HANEY: 381.
    13 TRIP DEMUTH: Take this out.
    14 PATSY RAMSEY: Junk drawer. (Inaudible).
    15 Golf ball it looks like to me. Tape. (Inaudible),
    16 maybe. Junk.
    17 TOM HANEY: Another --
    18 PATSY RAMSEY: Pen in the junk drawer. Can't
    19 tell where it is, either in the kitchen or in the bar
    20 area.
    21 TRIP DEMUTH: Do you know who that tape would
    22 belong to?
    23 PATSY RAMSEY: No, I don't. (Inaudible).
    24 John would know better than me. I never used it. I
    25 always used the clear stuff.

    0462
    1 TOM HANEY: 382. Try to keep them in order.
    2 PATSY RAMSEY: That looks like the top of the
    3 bar.
    4 TRIP DEMUTH: Which bar?
    5 PATSY RAMSEY: The little bar area there
    6 below the staircase, the circular stairs. John's
    7 office or something, basket full of whatever, mail. I
    8 don't know.
    Now what did Trip Demuth mean by THIS question: Do you know who that tape would belong to? It's a weird question. If there is tape in a drawer in my house, I'm pretty sure IT'S MINE. Or my husband's. I think by asking his question as he did, Trip implies there is something important about putting this particular tape in a specific person's hands.

    And what kind of tape is Patsy discussing? Could it be paper tape, often called masking tape? Or could it be duct tape? Does Patsy know the difference? Let's see what she had to say about tape the day before:

    From that Wednesday of the interview, June 23rd, 1998; page 0398 of the transcript:


    11 TOM HANEY: Do you recall purchasing duct
    12 tape
    and cord (inaudible) in the early part of December
    13 of '96?
    14 PATSY RAMSEY: No. I never used this type of
    15 stuff. I use -- I would buy the multiple rolls of the
    16 clear.
    17 TOM HANEY: Clear tape?
    18 PATSY RAMSEY: Clear tape.

    19 TOM HANEY: You don't recall making a
    20 purchase of either or both of those things, like I
    21 said, back in early December, December 2nd of '96?
    22 PATSY RAMSEY: No.
    23 TOM HANEY: Do you ever recall purchasing
    24 black duct tape?
    25 PATSY RAMSEY: No.

    0398
    1 TOM HANEY: Ever have it around the house?
    2 PATSY RAMSEY: I don't remember seeing any.
    3 I have my tape in the little drawer by the
    4 refrigerator, but it was usually masking tape and the
    5 clear tape
    for the UPS box.
    6 TOM HANEY: It seems like you -- there can't
    7 be a house in the world that doesn't have duct tape
    8 because it repairs everything.
    9 PATSY RAMSEY: Well, I never liked it because
    10 it is so gooey. Isn't it gooey?
    11 TOM HANEY: Yeah.
    12 PATSY RAMSEY: Most of the stuff I would take
    13 would be stuff for, you know, stuff for the kids. It
    14 would be clear. That is what I got.
    (Inaudible).
    So Patsy knew the difference between duct tape, masking tape, and clear tape. In the earlier Q & A about duct tape, she even says she HAD masking tape in her own drawer, related to sending boxes by UPS, etc. So this implies to me that tape in that drawer was DUCT TAPE.

    Then Patsy quickly threw that question to John, didn't she?

    But what kind of tape was in the drawer? That question was asked on the last day of this 3 days of interviews with the BDA's Office.

    I get the impression that the tape in the drawer in Patsy was asked about on Thursday was, in fact, duct tape.

    Ideas anyone?

    I'll post a little of what John had to say about duct tape during his 1998 interviews next.

    "University of Colorado Law Professor Paul Campos declared the letter a 'reckless exoneration.' He went on to state, 'Everyone knows that relative immunity from criminal conviction is something money can buy.
    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    I am actully agreeing with Patsy Ramsey about the duct tape being gooey. I hate it! One really needs a strong pair of hands to hold it and tear a strip of it and be careful it doesn't stick to itself. I keep ours in the garage.

    More than likely the duct tape was in the drawer too, KK.
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    From his first day of DA interviews in 1998, June 23rd, Tuesday; John was asked about finding the body in the cellar room:

    9 LOU SMIT: Okay. What do you actually see
    10 now,
    11 I mean see in this room?
    12 JOHN RAMSEY: Well I see a white blanket
    13 that's folded across her body neatly.
    14 LOU SMIT: It was neatly folded across the
    15 body?
    16 JOHN RAMSEY: Yeah.
    17 LOU SMIT: Now describe that just a little
    18 bit? Was it --
    19 JOHN RAMSEY: She was laying on the blanket.
    20 LOU SMIT: Was it laying on the back?
    21 JOHN RAMSEY: Yeah. On the back. The blanket
    22 was caught up around and crossed in front of her
    23 as if somebody was tucking her in.
    24 LOU SMIT: Talk about the tape?
    25 JOHN RAMSEY: There was a piece of fairly
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    1 wide black tape, which I immediately took off.
    Her
    2 lips were blue.
    3 LOU SMIT: Where were you standing when
    4 you
    5 did that, John?
    6 JOHN RAMSEY: I was, she was like right
    7 there and I was right here.
    8 LOU SMIT: So you hadn't gone into the wine
    9 cellar, you were still on the north side of her at
    10 that point?
    11 JOHN RAMSEY: Right. Um hmm.
    12 LOU SMIT: And the duct tape, do you remember
    13 if it was adhered all the way to her mouth?
    14 JOHN RAMSEY: Yeah. It wasn't really duct
    15 tape,
    it was -- well I'm sure you've seen it. But
    16 it was like black. It wasn't electrical tape. It
    17 was kind of white, black, unusual tape,
    I thought.

    18 LOU SMIT: What did you do with the tape?
    19 JOHN RAMSEY: I think I took it off with my
    20 right hand and just dropped it. I didn't do
    21 anything specific with it.
    Oh. I think I just figured something else out.

    Sorry folks, I'm all over the place. Let me post the transcript where JR describes the cords and the "hands tied behind the head" before I forget, then I'll come back and finish the duct tape quotes here.

    "University of Colorado Law Professor Paul Campos declared the letter a 'reckless exoneration.' He went on to state, 'Everyone knows that relative immunity from criminal conviction is something money can buy.
    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    Quote Originally Posted by koldkase View Post
    From his first day of DA interviews in 1998, June 23rd, Tuesday; John was asked about finding the body in the cellar room:



    Oh. I think I just figured something else out.

    Sorry folks, I'm all over the place. Let me post the transcript where JR describes the cords and the "hands tied behind the head" before I forget, then I'll come back and finish the duct tape quotes here.
    Wow! You go, girl. You may be on to something.

    (P.S.: Check your msgs., kk.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elle_1 View Post
    I am actully agreeing with Patsy Ramsey about the duct tape being gooey. I hate it! One really needs a strong pair of hands to hold it and tear a strip of it and be careful it doesn't stick to itself. I keep ours in the garage.

    More than likely the duct tape was in the drawer too, KK.
    It certainly appears to be, Elle. But was it black duct tape? JR said he wasn't familiar with black duct tape. I did a lot of reading and shopping for black duct tape some years back, and it was often used for stage functions, like marking a spot for a performer to "hit" for a camera or a stage production of some kind. Colored duct tapes were also in full production when I was researching them, used for many other things, as well. I found multiple references to duct tape having long been used under clothing, specifically evening dresses or bathing suits, to "enhance" the figure, like bust lines, etc., in pageants.

    So I wonder if Patsy's and JR's "unfamiliarity" with black duct tape was faked to support the intruder story. Or maybe JR wasn't that familiar with it until one fateful Christmas night in 1996.

    But Patsy sure did throw that "tape in the drawer" question to John.

    Here's the thing: if that picture of that drawer was in fact of duct tape, and ESPECIALLY if it was black duct tape, Team Ramsey has had it, seen it, and lied about it countless times.

    If it's silver duct tape, unlike the black put on the child's mouth, why would LE question Patsy about it?

    I don't know the answers to these questions.
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    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    Okay, back to JR....

    In JR's DA interviews in 1998, I found 23 hits with my document search for the words "duct tape." So I want to look at those. There were 80 hits for the word "tape," so I narrowed it down using both words. I have highlighted in red "tape" and descriptors like "duct tape", etc.

    I'm going to keep adding quotes in more posts, so I won't work for an hour and then accidentally lose work or have ridiculously long posts--oh, yeah, you know what I'm talking about.

    On June 23rd, Tuesday; John was asked about finding the body in the cellar room:

    http://www.forumsforjustice.org/foru...ead.php?t=9946

    Quote:
    9 LOU SMIT: Okay. What do you actually see
    10 now,
    11 I mean see in this room?
    12 JOHN RAMSEY: Well I see a white blanket
    13 that's folded across her body neatly.
    14 LOU SMIT: It was neatly folded across the
    15 body?
    16 JOHN RAMSEY: Yeah.
    17 LOU SMIT: Now describe that just a little
    18 bit? Was it --
    19 JOHN RAMSEY: She was laying on the blanket.
    20 LOU SMIT: Was it laying on the back?
    21 JOHN RAMSEY: Yeah. On the back. The blanket
    22 was caught up around and crossed in front of her
    23 as if somebody was tucking her in.
    24 LOU SMIT: Talk about the tape?
    25 JOHN RAMSEY: There was a piece of fairly
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    1 wide black tape, which I immediately took off.
    Her
    2 lips were blue.
    3 LOU SMIT: Where were you standing when
    4 you
    5 did that, John?
    6 JOHN RAMSEY: I was, she was like right
    7 there and I was right here.
    8 LOU SMIT: So you hadn't gone into the wine
    9 cellar, you were still on the north side of her at
    10 that point?
    11 JOHN RAMSEY: Right. Um hmm.
    12 LOU SMIT: And the duct tape, do you remember
    13 if it was adhered all the way to her mouth?
    14 JOHN RAMSEY: Yeah. It wasn't really duct
    15 tape,
    it was -- well I'm sure you've seen it. But
    16 it was like black. It wasn't electrical tape. It
    17 was kind of white, black, unusual tape, I thought.
    18 LOU SMIT: What did you do with the tape?
    19 JOHN RAMSEY: I think I took it off with my
    20 right hand and just dropped it. I didn't do
    21 anything specific with it.
    Some time later, they got back to "duct tape": I believe the photo they're looking at here is the one of the blanket, where the duct tape had fallen sticky side up, and the tape was white/gray on that side, which confused a lot of us until we bought some and found that out.

    Also, I'm noticing that John was awfully confused about that black duct tape at times, then very precise, at others--like when he says it was cut to fit her mouth perfectly.

    5 LOU SMIT: Photograph number --
    6 JOHN RAMSEY: -- 149, that was like
    7 (INAUDIBLE) what looks like a big piece of duct
    8 tape.
    That doesn't look like that tape I took off
    9 JonBenet's mouth.
    10 LOU SMIT: Okay. And why do you say that?
    11 JOHN RAMSEY: Well, because as I recall,
    12 it was black. It was like a little larger than
    13 electrical tape in width. And it struck me, and as
    14 I thought about it later, as the kind of tape you
    15 might use in sailing to wrap around the stanchion
    16 or something.
    17 LOU SMIT: The black tape?
    18 JOHN RAMSEY: Yeah.
    19 LOU SMIT: Have you used that type of
    20 tape on (INAUDIBLE)?
    21 JOHN RAMSEY: No, I didn't recognize it.
    22 But in this picture, it looks like a piece of duct
    23 tape. A big piece of duct tape.
    And that's not
    24 what I remember.
    25 LOU SMIT: Okay. That's on photograph number --
    0291
    1 JOHN RAMSEY: 149. Cause it was like stuck
    2 to the blanket almost in this picture.

    3 LOU SMIT: What are you thinking?
    4 JOHN RAMSEY: It's just hard to look at these,
    5 that's all. Basically JonBenet was right here.
    6 LOU SMIT: If you want to get off this,
    7 we can?
    8 JOHN RAMSEY: No, that's okay. Sorry.
    9 LOU SMIT: You touched on something, you know,
    10 and I was going to ask you about that tape later
    11 on and the cord. But you mentioned that the tape
    12 that you took off JonBenet, we're trying to
    13 determine if in fact you could have been in
    14 contact with that type of tape. And you mentioned
    15 something about that's the type you seen on a
    16 stanchion.
    17 JOHN RAMSEY: Well it's just it wasn't
    18 a tape that looked familiar to me, or it looked
    19 like it wasn't torn, it was cut perfectly,
    20 literally, that it fit her mouth. It was black, it
    21 wider than electrical tape, but not as wide as
    22 duct tape. I mean I know what duct tape is; it
    23 wasn't duct tape.

    24 Just thinking about it later, where do you get
    25 this kind of tape? It's a little wider, and I've
    0292
    1 seen it in white before. It's kind of a utility
    2 tape
    that you can use on a sailboat in boating.
    3 LOU SMIT: Okay.
    4 JOHN RAMSEY: And we had some, and
    5 there's white. [Did JR possibly meant White, as in Fleet had this sailboat tape.] Somebody had (INAUDIBILE) that they
    6 wrapped around rough edges, the stanchion, so that
    7 the sail didn't catch it and tear. It was just
    8 kind of a wider utility tape. I don't remember if
    9 we had any black or not. But certainly white.
    10 LOU SMIT: And this would have been where?
    11 JOHN RAMSEY: Up at Michigan.
    12 LOU SMIT: Michigan, okay.
    13 JOHN RAMSEY: It wasn't a big piece of
    14 duct tape
    like that.

    15 LOU SMIT: Okay. And we're going to get
    16 into to that. I've got some I'm going to show you
    17 also later.
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    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    Quote Originally Posted by koldkase View Post
    It certainly appears to be, Elle. But was it black duct tape? JR said he wasn't familiar with black duct tape. I did a lot of reading and shopping for black duct tape some years back, and it was often used for stage fuctions, like marking a spot for a performer to "hit" for a camera or a stage production of some kind. Colored duct tapes were also in full production when I was researching them, used for many other things, as well. I found multiple references to duct tape having long been used under clothing, specifically evening dresses or bathing suits, to "enhance" the figure, like bust lines, etc., in pageants.

    So I wonder if JR's "unfamiliarity" with black duct tape was faked to support the intruder story. Or maybe he wasn't that familiar with it until one fateful Christmas night in 1996.

    But Patsy sure did throw that "tape in the drawer" question to John.

    Here's the thing: if that picture of that drawer was in fact of duct tape, and ESPECIALLY if it was black duct tape, Team Ramsey has had it, seen it, and lied about it countless times.

    If it's silver duct tape, unlike the black put on the child's mouth, why would LE question Patsy about it?

    I don't know the answers to these questions.
    You sure work hard at trying to find the answers, KK! You and all the others here!

    I've never had anything but the silver duct tape in our house. I don't like it because it gives me the creeps because it is the tape which is used on humans for criminal actions. The thought of this little girl JonBenét going home after a Christmas party and having her life ended the way it did was one of the saddest stories on record.

    Let's hope 2013 may find out more. A big thank you to Chief A James Kolar for writing his book "FOREIGN FACTION" and keeping this case before the public, and proving Patsy and John Ramsey lied about the murder of their young daughter, JonBenét.

    Just wanted to add I do have other tape black and white in the house KK, but it's not duct tape; however, this type of tape could be used to go around the body and stick on to itself, but it wouldn't actually stick to your skin (?).


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    Continuing with JR's '98 interview, Smit and Kane were asking JR about different things and inserted this question about a bulk merchandise store and the purchase of duct tape or cord. Unfortunately, John's answer was inaudible to the transcriber:

    22 LOU SMIT: Okay. Another thing, you said
    23 you used to walk through the mall, you used to go
    24 to various restaurants and things like that. Are
    25 you acquainted with the "Bulk and Army" store?

    0398
    1 JOHN RAMSEY: Yeah.
    2 LOU SMIT: Do you ever go in there?
    3 JOHN RAMSEY: I have been there once that
    4 I can remember. Maybe twice. I went in there, I
    5 think it was probably in the winter of '95 because
    6 we were getting ready for a (IANUDIBLE) and we
    7 were doing that (INAUDIBLE) during that summer of
    8 '95. I was looking for some camping stuff. We
    9 needed some silverware to take. It wasn't too big,
    10 to take on a boat trip. It was a long distance
    11 race.
    12 But I don't remember if I bought anything
    13 there or not. I might have gone in there with
    14 Burke or John Andrew, just walking by. But that
    15 was it.
    16 LOU SMIT: Have you purchased any cord or
    17 duct tape
    or anything like that?
    18 JOHN RAMSEY: Absolutely (INAUDIBLE).
    Looking at outside photos of exterior windows, seems John sees duct tape there.

    16 LOU SMIT: Turn it over. 238 is
    17 the next view. Again, that's just -- just
    18 briefly describe it, if you would, and if you
    19 see anything that's out of the ordinary, please
    20 let us know.
    21 JOHN RAMSEY: Well, I can't tell
    22 what's on the windowsill in the right-hand
    23 corner, but it almost like tape of some kind,

    24 but I can't tell.
    25 LOU SMIT: Here is another
    0546
    1 photograph.
    2 JOHN RAMSEY: Okay. The pine
    3 straw, there is no pine straw up against the
    4 window at all in this sill, whether it's all the
    5 way around it, that seems strange. That was
    6 kind of a deserted area of the house, we never
    7 got back there to -- you know, it was just a
    8 side of the house we never got to. So that
    9 definitely looks odd.
    10 LOU SMIT: Go to number 239.
    11 JOHN RAMSEY: It's not very clear.
    12 It's somebody has cleaned off that sill. In the
    13 center of it. And it looks like -- looks more
    14 like duct tape in that picture. I don't know
    15 whether there is dust on it, I can't tell.
    But
    16 that doesn't look at all normal. There is
    17 actually no pine straw on the sill or in the
    18 area in front of the sill. I don't see anything
    19 else in this.
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    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elle_1 View Post
    [snip]

    Just wanted to add I do have other tape black and white in the house KK, but it's not duct tape; however, this type of tape could be used to go around the body and stick on to itself, but it wouldn't actually stick to your skin (?).
    Yes, it is depressingly sad to think of the awful fate of this child, Elle. Even more so as I go through the interviews with her parents: the details of that night; the lies and evasions; the frustrations of knowing what we now know.

    But you're always so kind to take the time to respond with encouragement, Elle, no matter how much volume in words I throw at you. I hope you know how much we all appreciate you.

    I think I have some info, in my next post of quotes, related to your musings about tapes, which I bolded above. It's where John describes the duct tape found on the child's mouth.

    But I must warn, it is very sad reading.

    "University of Colorado Law Professor Paul Campos declared the letter a 'reckless exoneration.' He went on to state, 'Everyone knows that relative immunity from criminal conviction is something money can buy.
    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    Quote Originally Posted by koldkase View Post
    Then Patsy quickly threw that question to John, didn't she?

    But what kind of tape was in the drawer? That question was asked on the last day of this 3 days of interviews with the BDA's Office.

    I get the impression that the tape in the drawer in Patsy was asked about on Thursday was, in fact, duct tape.

    Ideas anyone?
    There’s not much doubt in my mind that it was duct tape, especially when the attempt was made to link it to Patsy’s December purchases at McGuckin’s:
    TOM HANEY: You don't recall making a purchase of either or both of those things, like I said, back in early December, December 2nd of '96?
    PATSY RAMSEY: No.
    TOM HANEY: Do you ever recall purchasing black duct tape?
    PATSY RAMSEY: No.


    "Earlier when White had opened that same door, he had been unable to see anything in the stygian darkness. John Ramsey was kneeling beside his daughter, feeling her ashen face. A piece of black duct tape lay on the blanket, and a long cord was attached to her right wrist. Nearby was a pink nightgown. White, who had never before touched a dead person, felt JonBenet's cold ankle, turned, and ran for help. John Ramsey picked up his daughter, who had been carefully wrapped, papoose-like, in a white blanket, and followed.
    JonBenet: Inside the Ramsey Murder Investigation, Steve Thomas, page 29

    "By mid-February the FBI and the CBI forensics technicians had concluded part of their fingerprint typing and fiber analysis. CBI told the Boulder police that no prints had been found on the black duct tape that John Ramsey said he removed from his daughter's mouth and none were found on the broken artist's paintbrush used to make the "garrote" found around JonBenet's neck."
    Perfect Murder, Perfect Town, Lawrence Schiller, page 239

    Among the items on Patsy’s December 9 receipt was an item from builder’s hardware. The price was $1.99. On the December 2 slip there was an item from the garden department. It was $1.99. Duct tape also sold for $1.99. We had no way of knowing what she bought.
    JonBenet: Inside the Ramsey Murder Investigation, Steve Thomas, page 136

    Originally we hoped to prove the black duct tape was from the same pieces found on the back of several portraits in the house.By determining the manufacturer, we might be able to find where it was sold and then track it back to the Ramsey house. We already thought that Patsy might have purchased a roll of such tape from McGuckin’s.
    The FBI lab said that both tape samples, from the mouth and the pictures, were a low grade and of low quality, possibly the Shufford Mills model PC-600, but they wouldn’t call it a match
    By September 1997 Detective Gosage and I visited the Shufford Mills factory in Hickory, North Carolina and learned that the duct tape was made in small quanties. In fact it only comprised 0.4 percent of the company’s product. We determined that it was sold at McGuckin’s
    Shufford Mills gave us various tapes for testing, the dates when changes were made in yarn and scrim counts, recipies for various adhesives, and the various production periods, all of which we sent back to the FBI. In November 1997 the lab said the pieces of tape came from different production runs and had different yarn counts. Same brand, same type, different production run
    JonBenet: Inside the Ramsey Murder Investigation, Steve Thomas, pages 281-282

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    Quote Originally Posted by koldkase View Post
    Also, I'm noticing that John was awfully confused about that black duct tape at times, then very precise, at others--like when he says it was cut to fit her mouth perfectly.
    John was certainly a very confused individual, soooo many things seemed wrong, or out of place.
    I guess he had heard that it’s good to distance yourself from any material piece of evidence in the case.
    He did the same thing with the Kleenex box, the bowl of pineapple, the tea, the flashlight etc.

    JOHN RAMSEY: Yeah. It looks like it. This was like in -- Patsy would know. I'm not sure why
    a Kleenex box is there either. That's not normal for a Kleenex box.
    LOU SMIT: What do you say about that?
    JOHN RAMSEY: Well, I guess it doesn't belong on the kitchen table. I don't know where it
    came from, but that's now it aught to be.
    MIKE KANE: Do you recognize the bowl?
    JOHN RAMSEY: Oh, I don't know. I recognize the spoon, because it's a big serving spoon. It's not like a teaspoon. And that could be one of our bowls.



    … if you can, to tell me what you see there?
    JOHN RAMSEY: Well it looks like a MAG like kind of flashlight there. But that looks like maybe a plane or (INAUDIBLE) or something.
    LOU SMIT: Does that look like flashlight that you have or does --
    JOHN RAMSEY: I mean, it could be. It looks a little bigger than the one I had. But it could have been the same one.
    LOU SMIT: Were you ever shown the flashlight?
    JOHN RAMSEY: No.
    LOU SMIT: Where does that flashlight appear to be here?
    JOHN RAMSEY: Well, it's on the kitchen counter.
    16 LOU SMIT: Do you have any idea how it got there?
    JOHN RAMSEY: No.
    LOU SMIT: Did you put it there?
    JOHN RAMSEY: No. Not that I recall.



    LOU SMIT: Have you ever seen cord like that before?
    JOHN RAMSEY: Uh-uh. Well like this no, this looks like drawstring cord that you find in a coat jacket. There was some laying on a driveway up in Michigan, some drawstring cord, and it was –
    LOU SMIT: Is that like the cord?
    JOHN RAMSEY: It's not quite this fat. It's a little thinner. But it's this woven.



    JOHN RAMSEY: Well the kids like pineapple, but that's a big bowl and this is a big spoon and I can't imagine that the kids would have something like that at any time. Certainly not with iced tea, I don't think. They don't even drink iced tea. I think they do not. (INAUDIBLE) yeah. that would not be like us to leave that. Certainly not leaving the next morning on a trip, to leave it like that, out.
    That's a big bowl, whatever it is, if it's pineapple.
    MIKE KANE: Do you recognize the bowl?
    JOHN RAMSEY: Oh, I don't know. I recognize the spoon, because it's a big serving spoon. It's not like a teaspoon. And that could be one of our bowls. We had white bowls like that. Patsy would recognize it for sure. It looks like our glass.
    LOU SMIT: Who would drink tea with a teabag in the glass?
    JOHN RAMSEY: Somebody who would drink tea,
    I guess. I don't know. I don't drink tea. Burke will drink sweet ice tea. I don't remember if JonBenet did, if she did. I mean, even for someone who's there and to get out that big of a bowl and put that much pineapple in it and just leave it. That doesn't make sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by koldkase View Post
    Also, I'm noticing that John was awfully confused about that black duct tape at times, then very precise, at others--like when he says it was cut to fit her mouth perfectly.
    Let’s establish John’s knowledge of duct tape:

    JOHN RAMSEY: Well it's just it wasn't a tape that looked familiar to me, or it looked like it wasn't torn, it was cut perfectly, literally, that it fit her mouth. It was black, it wider than electrical tape, but not as wide as duct tape. I mean I know what duct tape is; it wasn't duct tape.

    So far, he says he knows what duct tape is and he is sure this isn’t duct tape.
    Does he know?

    LOU SMIT: I am going to show you another item. It's a roll of tape.
    JOHN RAMSEY: This looks certainly similar in color but it looks much wider than I recall. I tried to remember, I would say that it must be that kind of width.

    JOHN RAMSEY: Gee, I am having such a hard time but what I remember about it was it, it was cut squarely, it wasn't torn or wasn't too much. It was just a very properly cut piece of tape.
    LOU SMIT: That was your impression?
    JOHN RAMSEY: That was my -- as I remember it. But it was black, it was a bit narrower than that.
    LOU SMIT: Was it light in that room or how could you tell?
    JOHN RAMSEY: Well, I don't know. It just seemed light enough. And I don't remember if I turned on the light or not,
    but.
    LOU SMIT: I mean did you look at the ends?
    JOHN RAMSEY: No, just an impression, you know
    , and as I thought about it later, that's what I remember.

    LOU SMIT: Fine, we won't go into any more of that. But have you ever seen anything like this before? This is really critical, because our -- the killer left that behind, there is no doubt about that. It's a clue that we have.
    JOHN RAMSEY: Is this the size of the tape?
    MIKE KANE: Yes, it is.
    JOHN RAMSEY: I thought it was narrower.

    VOICE: When you say he left that behind, do you mean he left a roll behind?
    LOU SMIT: No, he left the tape behind.
    VOICE: Just the tape that we find that was on her mouth?
    JOHN RAMSEY: Well, if I were to speculate that's something that Fleet White
    would have, which --
    LOU SMIT: And why would you say that, have you ever seen anything like that?
    JOHN RAMSEY: Maybe, you know, I can't -- I can't remember for sure, but Fleet had -- when we got, went up to get our boat ready for this Mackinaw, Mackinaw race was a 300-mile race, Fleet had some special tapes, I remember white tape. And possibly I remember black duct tape. The only kind of duct tape I have ever seen a gray.


    LOU SMIT: (INAUDIBLE). We have to try to find that someone that has that. How often have you seen black duct tape?
    JOHN RAMSEY: I don't recall that I ever have
    .


    John is at his finest here.
    JR is shown a roll of tape which is the same width as the tape from JBR’s mouth.
    He claims that the tape that he removed was black, but was narrower, and despite the fact he doesn’t remember whether the light was on or off, he remembers that the tape “was cut squarely, it wasn't torn or wasn't too much. It was just a very properly cut piece of tape.”
    He further claims that the only duct tape he has ever seen is grey, and that he has never seen black duct tape.
    And then, to top it all off, he casts suspicion on Fleet.

    It was a standard black duct tape, here is Henry Lee speaking about it:
    KURTIS: Dr. Lee, didn't you take a look at some tape in the JonBenet Ramsey case, reexamine it?
    LEE: Yes. Yes, I did. Yes.
    KURTIS: And there was nothing became of that.
    LEE: Well, that's a two-inch tape and it's been used. It's not like the Laci Peterson case, which, as I say, I cannot comment too much on that.
    http://edition.cnn.hu/TRANSCRIPTS/0311/03/lkl.00.html



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