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  1. #25

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    Quote Originally Posted by koldkase View Post
    Well done. I see what you're seeing.

    I guess my problem is with the length of the area that is either tape or a long, rectangular shadow. I'm having trouble with that shadow. Notice the blanket lumped around the small "black" section you are labeling as the face of the tape--and it could be the face side curling back on the end, with that black edge facing the camera. How can the long, rectangular shape be a shadow from the small, black area we can see, when the blanket around that is not shaped like that?

    I see the weave you're referencing, as well, but I notice when I try to make enlargements from similar photos, which are often screen shots taken from online video or TV programs for the most part, various patterns will actually pick up in other areas. I'm thiinking of the carpet in the basement video Kolar shared: when trying to enlarge the train tracks on the floor, the squiggly pattern of the carpet distorted into the train track, so I couldn't get a sharp enlargement. Does that make sense?

    But that may not be the case here. I see the little "point" at the end of the rectangular shadow that matches the same "point" on the black area you circled as the black face of the tape.

    Also, duct tape doesn't usually lay out that easily, it's so sticky--as the Ramseys BOTH point out, amazingly enough. So it would seem unlikely it would lay out that evenly. It's all stuck together on the ends in the lab photo showing the "stains."

    So you may be right about this. I'll have to ponder the "shadow" angle a bit.
    My final, and hopefully, most convincing argument stems from the fact that the dimensions don’t add up if the grey that we are seeing is actually part of the tape as opposed to merely shadow. By my calculations that tape is definitely two inches wide by, no so definitely, five inches long.
    Regardless of the exact length, it is obvious from the picture below that the length does match the black portion of the tape that we see, but would be far too short to match the black and grey.


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    Quote Originally Posted by cynic View Post
    My final, and hopefully, most convincing argument stems from the fact that the dimensions don’t add up if the grey that we are seeing is actually part of the tape as opposed to merely shadow. By my calculations that tape is definitely two inches wide by, no so definitely, five inches long.
    Regardless of the exact length, it is obvious from the picture below that the length does match the black portion of the tape that we see, but would be far too short to match the black and grey.


    You make a good case.

    Honestly, I had never even looked at the small peek-a-boo area you attribute to tape at all closely, so just thought that was the shadow, with the long, gray area being the actual tape.

    We've discussed this for how long? lol Even in the '98 interviews where that photo is pointed out to John, he mentions the "color" is wrong, so I think he also thought that was the tape?

    Very interesting.

    Do you have any explanation as to where that long, rectangular shadow is originating?

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    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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  3. #27

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    Quote Originally Posted by koldkase View Post
    You make a good case.

    Honestly, I had never even looked at the small peek-a-boo area you attribute to tape at all closely, so just thought that was the shadow, with the long, gray area being the actual tape.

    We've discussed this for how long? lol Even in the '98 interviews where that photo is pointed out to John, he mentions the "color" is wrong, so I think he also thought that was the tape?

    Very interesting.

    Do you have any explanation as to where that long, rectangular shadow is originating?
    There may have been a relatively low, portable floodlight in the room which cast a long shadow.
    I played around with a short piece of duct tape and low bright lighting. One of the shots I took, which I posted back in post #13 illustrates the effect.
    I can tell you that if the silver and grey in the crime scene pic is all tape, it is simply too long, there has to be another explanation.

  4. #28

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    Quote Originally Posted by cynic View Post
    There may have been a relatively low, portable floodlight in the room which cast a long shadow.
    I played around with a short piece of duct tape and low bright lighting. One of the shots I took, which I posted back in post #13 illustrates the effect.
    I can tell you that if the silver and grey in the crime scene pic is all tape, it is simply too long, there has to be another explanation.
    And you just reminded me of something you and I once thought was a "mistake" Kolar made in his book.

    Remember this? Kolar: Foreign Faction; page 122

    He reported that he unlatched the wood block that secured
    the door and immediately saw a white blanket on the floor inside
    the room. John advised that he observed JonBenét lying on the
    blanket and it was “kind of folded around her legs.” Her arms were
    tied behind her head, some pieces of black tape were on her legs,
    and her head was cocked to the side.

    "University of Colorado Law Professor Paul Campos declared the letter a 'reckless exoneration.' He went on to state, 'Everyone knows that relative immunity from criminal conviction is something money can buy.
    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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  5. #29

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    Quote Originally Posted by koldkase View Post
    And you just reminded me of something you and I once thought was a "mistake" Kolar made in his book.

    Remember this? Kolar: Foreign Faction; page 122
    I still think that's down to faulty transcription.
    There is a strong light source in that room.


  6. #30

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    Quote Originally Posted by cynic View Post
    I still think that's down to faulty transcription.
    There is a strong light source in that room.

    I do remember the odd wiring and switch on that wall going to that kind of fluorescent lighting. Is that the actual fixture that was in there?

    I see now what you were demonstrating in #13. I'm not trying to be contrary, I swear I'm not, but the long shadow has me fooled mainly because the lump of blanket surrounding the "black duct tape" seems to make a mound which I imagine would block a light source from casting such a long shadow.

    Of course, shadows are things which can fool one, so I get your point.

    But now I'm asking myself if Kolar would make such a mistake. He seems to be a very careful, methodical man, so looking at the questions you've brought up, I have YET ANOTHER QUESTION TO ASK HIM....


    "University of Colorado Law Professor Paul Campos declared the letter a 'reckless exoneration.' He went on to state, 'Everyone knows that relative immunity from criminal conviction is something money can buy.
    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    Okay, going through old pics I found some you no doubt have, but maybe will help us here.

    I played with these years ago...though this may be a composite someone else made, can't remember now. We were looking for "dolls," I think.

    This is another viewpoint of the blanket, one where you can see the gown. I'm just putting the images I have here in case you need them or can match up the blanket from the other angle? I'll keep trying myself.
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    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    I found a clearer picture and in working with it, I'm seeing something different now. Do you think the darker parts aren't tape at all, but that's the shadow? I see a sliver of shadow under the "long rectangular" area, as if that is from the edge of tape, as well as a couple of black "dots" at the left "end" of that gray area which seem to be shadow from the "lift" or curl of the edge?

    Also, the "curled end" of that very dark section seems to me perhaps to correspond with a barely visible "lift" in the blanket, which then looks like it could be shadow from the blanket?

    I do find the lower "gray" area very suspicious. That does look like tape to me, now that you've pointed it out. It would have to be another piece, wouldn't it; too long, as you indicated, to be one long piece, if the longer gray area is tape, as well?

    I made a negative which always gives me another perspective.

    See what you think--though it's hit or miss with my image skills, as you know.

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    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    Getting back to your duct tape, cynic and KK. My first thought on seeing these "shadow" photos was thinking it was not a shadow but grey residue from where the tape had been pulled back.
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  10. #34

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elle_1 View Post
    Getting back to your duct tape, cynic and KK. My first thought on seeing these "shadow" photos was thinking it was not a shadow but grey residue from where the tape had been pulled back.
    That's an interesting idea, Elle. Another perspective is always welcome, as I've worked with these for hours now and all I've done is end up back where I started.

    "University of Colorado Law Professor Paul Campos declared the letter a 'reckless exoneration.' He went on to state, 'Everyone knows that relative immunity from criminal conviction is something money can buy.
    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    Okay, here is my last effort, as I'm out of ideas.

    Comparing the two photos of the blanket, one with the long "tape" rectangle and one with the gown, I'm not seeing any long gray rectangle at ALL in the blanket/gown one.

    Of course, the area in question is mostly OUT OF THE PICTURE on the blanket/gown photo...sheesh, it's hard to catch a break with the crap we have to work with....

    But here I've compared the two pics as best I can. The photos show the blanket from two angles and planes, so it's not a perfect match, just another perspective, though. I'm not sure it even helps.

    The upshot is the blanket/gown photo would seem to support your theory, as I see no "long tape" or shadow in the area of the blanket folds where it appears in the pic we started with.

    Again, though, I'm still not 100% because that area could be a fold of cloth which then runs TO the area where the other photo shows the rectangular image. So it could be out of the shot?

    So as I said, I'm out of ideas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by koldkase View Post
    That's an interesting idea, Elle. Another perspective is always welcome, as I've worked with these for hours now and all I've done is end up back where I started.
    Actually, my first thought when I read the word "shadow" KK, was it had too sharp an edge to be a shadow. jmo
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