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    Quote Originally Posted by cynic View Post
    Thanks Elle, and I can definitely confirm that Dr. Krane is an incredibly nice guy, very giving of his time, and remarkably humble.
    cynic,

    I still have to listen to the full broadcast. Heard a part of it. I have so much to catch up on. I do enjoy reading all these incredible intelligent posts by all of you. I had to laugh at KK's remarks relating to the "Sweet Mystery Of Life" song but geesh you are all too young to know about that song, surely! When I was a very young girl, my two older sisters
    drooled over Nelson Eddy singing with Jeanette MacDonald -
    "Ah Sweet mystery of Life, at last I've found you!"

    Thank you "one and all" again for the wonderful posts here!
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    cynic,

    Finally listened to the full broadcast right now. Sorry time ran out at the end for you to say all you wanted to say. Tricia as per usual is in in full control of her show, and you all did a good job of asking questions; some of which were naturally way over my head with this DNA situation. I was more than sorry to hear Dr. Krane say these DNA results are not as reliable as we all thought they once were. The situation of one's DNA being passed around at a crime scene through just shaking a hand is frightening. All I can think of now is the wrong people may well be in jail for a crime they didn't commit.

    Thank you for having the courage to speak on the radio. cynic.
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    This TouchDNA thing is so out of control imo. I am still jaw-dropping open-mouthed that Mary Lacy issued an apology letter and exoneration based on TouchDNA.

    I would venture a guess that most convictions don't rest only on one piece of evidence even it's DNA. Even DNA from body fluids such as semen found in the "usual suspected places" could be explained away in some cases (such as a suspect admitting they'd had sex with someone) and would require additional evidence for a conviction. But semen found anywhere on a six-year-old would be a horse of different color.

    My main gripe about DNA in court is that I'm afraid television programming has misguided the public. I try to keep in mind that television programing is centered on getting good ratings so they can make more money so they can stay on air and ... make more money. I think the programs usually just misinform the public.

    So thankful to the powers that be who got the good doctor to come on air and discuss DNA and TouchDNA. (Tricia, cynic, whoever it was ... thank you!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by BOESP View Post
    This TouchDNA thing is so out of control imo. I am still jaw-dropping open-mouthed that Mary Lacy issued an apology letter and exoneration based on TouchDNA.

    I would venture a guess that most convictions don't rest only on one piece of evidence even it's DNA. Even DNA from body fluids such as semen found in the "usual suspected places" could be explained away in some cases (such as a suspect admitting they'd had sex with someone) and would require additional evidence for a conviction. But semen found anywhere on a six-year-old would be a horse of different color.

    My main gripe about DNA in court is that I'm afraid television programming has misguided the public. I try to keep in mind that television programing is centered on getting good ratings so they can make more money so they can stay on air and ... make more money. I think the programs usually just misinform the public.

    So thankful to the powers that be who got the good doctor to come on air and discuss DNA and TouchDNA. (Tricia, cynic, whoever it was ... thank you!)
    Hear, hear! Excellent post, and I totally agree!

    Most of the American public and press believe Mary Lacy's DNA hoodwink because they think they know more about DNA than they really do.

    Mary Lacy's exoneration is worthless but she got away with it because no one in a position of power in Colorado will undo it. Sure, a lot of us protested and a few in LE protested, but it wasn't enough to make anyone do a d*mn thing about it! Her "exoneration" still stands and is quoted in EVERY Ramsey article done by the mainstream media and quite a few idiot blogs.

    I appreciate Dr. Krane taking the time to be on Tricia's program and set the record straight about "touch DNA" and Lacy's POS exoneration, but do you see anyone quoting him since then in an article on the Ramsey case? Do you see ANY mention of his excellent discussion of the DNA in the mainstream media? Are they giving Dr. Krane equal press time to all the time they've given Lin Wood, Mary Lacy, and "if my lips are moving, I'm lying" John Ramsey?

    The unfortunate answer is NO. The truth about the Ramsey DNA is never shouted from the rooftops, but let Mary Lacy open her big fat hair-curtain mouth, and it goes national and viral. The press RUNS to Lin Wood for any quote on the subject. They have John Ramsey on speed dial for any mention of his name in any article, but a person can send out press release after press release WITH THE TRUTH, and it never gets a peep.

    YES, I'm bitter, and YES, I'm angry. I'm infuriated with the double standard that we've always had with the Ramsey case. The mainstream press has drooled and fawned over the Ramseys since the beginning and has never once taken a hard look at the real evidence. Instead, they've given us softball interviews and "the poor Ramseys this, and "the poor Ramseys that."

    Not even Steve Thomas' book about the corruption in the Boulder DA's office and evidence of Ramsey guilt in JonBenet's death, or James Kolar's book that greatly furthered our knowledge of Ramsey guilt, or the now-known fact that the Boulder Grand Jury DID indict the Ramseys, but Alex Hunter refused to prosecute, HAS MADE ONE BIT OF DIFFERENCE in piercing the media's lock-step love affair with the Ramseys! It's pathetic, and it's maddening!

    The current Boulder DA needs to invite Dr. Krane to Colorado, and have Dr. Krane give everyone in the office and LE a lesson in touch DNA. Then they need to have a press conference and have Dr. Krane tell everyone what he has told them and us, THEN the current DA needs to send out a press release that he is revoking Lacy's exoneration since it is not based on scientific evidence.

    It is beyond me why NO ONE has officially revoked Lacy's exoneration before now! What she did wasn't legal or ethical to begin with, and it was based on a faulty understanding of DNA. Why hasn't the current DA said Lacy's exoneration of the Ramseys was all a crock and the Ramsey aren't cleared of anything? Are they afraid of Mary Lacy or of hurting her reputation? (Don't make me laugh; has everyone forgotten about the John Mark Karr fiasco?) Is this some kind of weird professional courtesy not to come out and say what everyone in LE knows? I don't understand the silence.

    Just saying "no one has been removed from the umbrella" is NOT a strong enough statement. Did the press pick up on that one? NO. There has been NOTHING said by anyone in a position of authority to negate Lacy's little Ramsey-love shenanigan. It will take SOMEONE with enough name and power to refute what Lacy did before the press will halfway listen.

    Just once, before I die, I would like to read a mainstream news article on the Ramsey case WITHOUT the obligatory paragraph about how the Ramseys were cleared of their daughter's death through DNA by the Boulder DA's office.

    It makes me sick every time I read the lie.

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    I totally agree with everything you said Cherokee. It is infuriating. It is almost, to me, an embarrassment to my home country that our system allows that crap. If it is any comfort, I do know several people who aren't persuaded by the talking heads on television (I'd just as soon watch commercials myself).

    While you are in such a good mood, here's something I found today on CNN (they aren't my favorite station anyway and they just moved down another notch):

    http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/29/us/jon...cts/index.html

    I will give them credit for the last "fact" they posted. Maybe it will get the ball rolling. Maybe we should sic Piers Morgan on them.

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    BOESP and Cherokee I agree with both of you and what you are saying. This case will never go any farther than where it is now because of the dunderheads that are "in charge" and those who came before them.

    I don't know if you heard last night's show of Tricia's blogtalk radio show and her guest David Lohr from the Huffington Post True Crime section. What interested me the most was his telling of the journalists of today and how lazy they are in their reporting. They just take what someone else has done and rehash it out as their own. He says that no one really does any hard investigating any more for their stories. They are after ratings not facts. The more salacious they can make the story the better the top brass at the station or news organization likes it. He is one of a dying breed. He works at getting his facts correct and he goes for the stories that no one else is after like forgotten men who went missing and the child that isn't blonde and very pretty.

    I liked the man very much. This relates to what you are saying in that the top law enforcers in Boulder aren't doing any searching for the truth either with this case. In fact they have blocked it, the truth, from the very beginning. Lazy all of them.
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    Zoomama, unfortunately, I didn't get to listen to Tricia's show. I will try and remember David Lohr's name. Sounds like he nailed it on the head. The talking heads now days perform the news instead of delivering a straight news story. Nothing irritates me more than some television airhead telling me what I should think about something (I think they call these people analysts -- at least they got part of that right).

    I particularly liked what you said about Mr. Lohr's selections on what to report. Every child is beautiful and I get sick of hearing about "beauty queen." That reminds me. I was reading an old article in people magazine about JonBenet. It was done not long after Princess Diana died. Patsy compared JonBenet to Princess Diana saying JonBenet was America's people's princess just as Diana was England's.

    Here's the link if anyone wants to read it:
    http://www.people.com/people/archive...123391,00.html


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    Quote Originally Posted by BOESP View Post
    I totally agree with everything you said Cherokee. It is infuriating. It is almost, to me, an embarrassment to my home country that our system allows that crap. If it is any comfort, I do know several people who aren't persuaded by the talking heads on television (I'd just as soon watch commercials myself).

    While you are in such a good mood, here's something I found today on CNN (they aren't my favorite station anyway and they just moved down another notch):

    http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/29/us/jon...cts/index.html

    I will give them credit for the last "fact" they posted. Maybe it will get the ball rolling. Maybe we should sic Piers Morgan on them.
    It IS an embarrassment, BOESP! We are fooling ourselves if we think we have a free and uncorrupt media. As you said in another post, all they do is copy from each other (and I've said that for years) and try for the highest ratings using the lowest common denominator.

    In today's media, you can't get good investigative reporting, but you CAN get Miley Cyrus doing live sex acts on herself and everyone else on stage, including an married man almost twice her age. I couldn't get away from ANY of it Monday morning. Every news page I clicked couldn't wait to trumpet the strumpet, who looked like a cross-dressing Justin Beiber with jock itch and a tongue Gene Simmons wouldn't have. It was nothing but the latest proof of our cultural demise and the hip-hop/Hollywood demeaning of women into b*tches and hos, who supposedly have no other goal in life but to shove their rears into people's faces and satisfy the selfish fantasies of infantile males. Unfortunately, a lot of females have bought into this degradation and think they are being sexy and desired, when all they are being is USED.

    What happened at the VMAs isn't art, and it had nothing to do with freedom of expression. It was about exploitation, ratings, shock value and money, and unfortunately, that is EXACTLY what our news media is now.

    People write the truth, and no one cares. Idiots like Mary Lacy call press conferences and issue worthless exonerations, and the press comes crawling on all fours, then PROMOTES the lies without investigation. The press no longer reports news; it has become a gossip, passing along the most salacious details about the latest "celebrity," packaging and re-packaging fake reality for the masses. These days, when the truth keeps its clothes on and relies on appealing to intelligence instead of the pelvis, it can't get a look in.

    I guess the next book written about the truth in the Ramsey case should feature a nude Mary Lacy on the cover. Maybe THAT will get us some press!
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    Quote Originally Posted by zoomama View Post
    BOESP and Cherokee I agree with both of you and what you are saying. This case will never go any farther than where it is now because of the dunderheads that are "in charge" and those who came before them.

    I don't know if you heard last night's show of Tricia's blogtalk radio show and her guest David Lohr from the Huffington Post True Crime section. What interested me the most was his telling of the journalists of today and how lazy they are in their reporting. They just take what someone else has done and rehash it out as their own. He says that no one really does any hard investigating any more for their stories. They are after ratings not facts. The more salacious they can make the story the better the top brass at the station or news organization likes it. He is one of a dying breed. He works at getting his facts correct and he goes for the stories that no one else is after like forgotten men who went missing and the child that isn't blonde and very pretty.

    I liked the man very much. This relates to what you are saying in that the top law enforcers in Boulder aren't doing any searching for the truth either with this case. In fact they have blocked it, the truth, from the very beginning. Lazy all of them.
    Thanks, Zoomama, for letting me know about David Lohr being on Tricia's show. I'll have to listen to that when I get a chance. It's good to know there are still journalists like David, though there are precious few of them, like he said.

    You are so right about how the media only goes after certain stories and lets the rest die. There are lots of children who go missing or who are killed, but it's only the ones where a certain angle can be pursued (like the "beauty queen") that get lots of press.

    As for Boulder ... I used to think the current DA, Stan Garnett, was a good guy, but now I wonder. It has been over FIVE YEARS since Lacy did her exoneration stunt! FIVE YEARS THIS PAST JULY!!! And Garnett has done NOTHING about it. Not one single thing. He could have very easily issued a non-exoneration, saying the touch DNA did NOT prove anything conclusively one way or another. Beckner wouldn't even have to call Mary Lacy a liar or make waves, he could just say that with further research, the touch DNA didn't matter.

    But NOOOOOOO, Garnett has let Lacy's lie stand for FIVE YEARS, and it has become ingrained in the media and the public eye. Because of his non-action, Garnett is an accomplice to Lacy's DNA stunt AND the destruction of the truth.

    As the saying goes, ... when good people do nothing, evil triumphs. Garnett has done NOTHING, and evil has triumphed. Garnett didn't even have the decency to endorse Kolar's book because he is still trying to play both sides of the fence and protect his arse.

    I'm sorry. Like I said, I used to believe Garnett was going to "uncorrupt" the Boulder DA's office, but after the past FIVE YEARS, I realize he's just like the rest of the Boulder gang. And if he wants to PROVE ME WRONG, he can start by holding a press conference and REVOKING Lacy's worthless DNA exoneration!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BOESP View Post
    Zoomama, unfortunately, I didn't get to listen to Tricia's show. I will try and remember David Lohr's name. Sounds like he nailed it on the head. The talking heads now days perform the news instead of delivering a straight news story. Nothing irritates me more than some television airhead telling me what I should think about something (I think they call these people analysts -- at least they got part of that right).

    I particularly liked what you said about Mr. Lohr's selections on what to report. Every child is beautiful and I get sick of hearing about "beauty queen." That reminds me. I was reading an old article in people magazine about JonBenet. It was done not long after Princess Diana died. Patsy compared JonBenet to Princess Diana saying JonBenet was America's people's princess just as Diana was England's.

    Here's the link if anyone wants to read it:
    http://www.people.com/people/archive...123391,00.html
    Aww, that is just sick. JonBenet was NOT the American people's princess. No one but her friends and family even knew who JBR was until she was dead. Patsy would have liked to THINK JBR was some kind of royalty, which, in turn, made Patsy "royalty" and also gave her a rationalization for JBR's death.

    Patsy wanted to be Miss America, and she wanted JBR to be Miss America, so in death, Patsy made JBR "Miss America's Princess" in order to make JBR's death, at the hands of a family member, have a "reason" and be more palatable to her. I guess when you're desperate, you'll reach for any rationalization to keep from blaming the REAL person responsible for JBR's death and your part in the cover-up.

    JonBenet was pimped out and tarted up by her own mother in those pageant outfits, and the overt sexualization was a symptom of even greater dysfunction in that family. Patsy should have been embarrassed about what she did to her daughter, as should all child-pageant moms, but she was too wrapped up in an overwhelming desire for the image of perfection and her own pageant fantasies to notice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zoomama View Post
    BOESP and Cherokee I agree with both of you and what you are saying. This case will never go any farther than where it is now because of the dunderheads that are "in charge" and those who came before them.

    I don't know if you heard last night's show of Tricia's blogtalk radio show and her guest David Lohr from the Huffington Post True Crime section. What interested me the most was his telling of the journalists of today and how lazy they are in their reporting. They just take what someone else has done and rehash it out as their own. He says that no one really does any hard investigating any more for their stories. They are after ratings not facts. The more salacious they can make the story the better the top brass at the station or news organization likes it. He is one of a dying breed. He works at getting his facts correct and he goes for the stories that no one else is after like forgotten men who went missing and the child that isn't blonde and very pretty.

    I liked the man very much. This relates to what you are saying in that the top law enforcers in Boulder aren't doing any searching for the truth either with this case. In fact they have blocked it, the truth, from the very beginning. Lazy all of them.
    I agree with zoomama, David Lohr is great. I wanted to listen to him for another two hours.

    The above is just my opinion, right or wrong, but please leave it at FFJ.

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    Does Mr. Lohr have a daily show or syndicated column or Internet blog?

    Cherokee, you made me spit sweet tea all over my laptop with your post and photo of Lacy.



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