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    Quote Originally Posted by zoomama View Post
    Well God bless Charlie Brennan! I'd bet that a lot of eyes rolled in the DA's office when this came down. They think and feel they are so protected with all that went on years ago. Let's hope someone anyone will finally let loose with some files.

    Thank you koldkase.
    Zoomama, if I had the wealth to spend on lawyers, travel, and accommodations, I'd have gotten those Powerpoint and video materials long ago. As a matter of law, there is no reason at all, whatsoever, they shouldn't be available to the public because Lou Smit was a private citizen when he was "gifted" with copies, signed, sealed, and delivered by a contract passed before a judge, no less. Once he shared them with every level of the media, not to mention housewife and Ramsey propagandist Jameson, they became public, IMO.

    How Boulder LE can stomach this double standard of law and pandering to the rich prime suspects in a child murder is beyond me. Not to mention the citizens there.

    "University of Colorado Law Professor Paul Campos declared the letter a 'reckless exoneration.' He went on to state, 'Everyone knows that relative immunity from criminal conviction is something money can buy.
    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    Quote Originally Posted by koldkase View Post
    Yes, Jacques was a male. Remember he was the replacement Bichon after Patsy returned the original pet when it wasn't...up to par or something.

    The story went that the neighbors across the street kept the dog a lot. Patsy said it was when they traveled. I remember something about one of the dogs wetting the floor a lot--the Ramseys clearly had a problem with potty training children and pets.

    The neighbors, the Barnhills, were where JonBenet went to visit her dog, seems I remember it being said. The Barnhills did end up with the dog, so my thought about what the Boulder commenter said is the Barnhills became the property "caretakers" when the group of "friends of the Ramseys" bought the house to help them out.

    But that does bring up the question about how the dog ended up being boarded the day after the murder, at the vet's, doesn't it? If the Barnhills had the dog, why take it to the vet the next day? Maybe the Ramseys asked them to do that, or one of their friends or family, not wanting to burden the Barnhills?

    But then the Ramseys never bothered to pick up the dog or pay his boarding bill. Abandoned as quickly as a body under a Christmas tree, it would appear. Obviously the three remaining Ramseys had no bonding with the pets.

    What am I missing here?
    I had a friend who had a Bichon, and it would piddle on the floor in submission whenever it got nervous or excited. I think it's a breed tendency and something you have to work at to get them over, not something Patsy would ever want to do with an animal. After all, she couldn't be bothered to take care of her own children's bathroom problems! And hence, the 1st dog was given back or given away, and Jacques, the replacement dog, evidently didn't fare much better. Animals are very good at reading emotions and atmosphere, and I would bet that the atmosphere in that house wasn't very happy. And perhaps there was a little animal cruelty too?

    In any case, Jacques got to remain with the Barnhills, who loved him and took good care of him. Too bad they couldn't have adopted JonBenet too.
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    Cool Well, well, well...

    What have we here, my Loves? A pulse?! Let me brush off the dust & see if I still know how to figure out what I think about this one ~ ps...Hi Everybody!!!

    Might as well jump back in full throttle though ~ it IS still Me after all....

    PATSY DID IT!!!

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    "What happens is that evil comes in," Fleet says. "If you don't have truth, all you have are lies, then what comes in is evil. And evil just does its thing. In the Ramsey case, it just did its thing, and it's eaten up so many people."

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    Charlie's suit has made the National Press report on the fact that the Grand Jury voted to indict the Ramseys. When the info first came out, they never gave it much attention.

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    Yes, heymom, I have no doubt that little doggie knew someone was living on borrowed time in that household.

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    RAT! Good to see your old Guttah self show up around here. We've missed you so much! I think Patsy did it, too...but it was a family effort, IMO.

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    That's good news, learnin. We'll take what we can get at this point.

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    Also, on another forum a link to the Midyette's grand jury indictment shows a very detailed account of the evidence which led that jury to its determinations. It's horror reading--the absolute worst and not for the faint of heart; but perhaps Brennan is on to something here with his suit.

    I will be shocked if he can wrest this Grand Jury document from the hands of the Cover-Up Specialists known as the Boulder D.A.'s Office, though.

    We can only hope for once the stars align for justice in this case.

    "University of Colorado Law Professor Paul Campos declared the letter a 'reckless exoneration.' He went on to state, 'Everyone knows that relative immunity from criminal conviction is something money can buy.
    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    Quote Originally Posted by heymom View Post
    Hi Elle! Glad to see you're still around too! Still hoping and praying for the truth to come out, even after all these years.
    That's all we want, heymom, is the honest story of what happened to little JonBenét Ramsey. We have all done our best to find out the truth. You have contributed greatly along with all the other terrific posters here to find the true cause of her death!
    elle: The RST can't handle the truth!
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    Quote Originally Posted by koldkase View Post
    Yes, Jacques was a male. Remember he was the replacement Bichon after Patsy returned the original pet when it wasn't...up to par or something.

    The story went that the neighbors across the street kept the dog a lot. Patsy said it was when they traveled. I remember something about one of the dogs wetting the floor a lot--the Ramseys clearly had a problem with potty training children and pets.

    The neighbors, the Barnhills, were where JonBenet went to visit her dog, seems I remember it being said. The Barnhills did end up with the dog, so my thought about what the Boulder commenter said is the Barnhills became the property "caretakers" when the group of "friends of the Ramseys" bought the house to help them out.

    But that does bring up the question about how the dog ended up being boarded the day after the murder, at the vet's, doesn't it? If the Barnhills had the dog, why take it to the vet the next day? Maybe the Ramseys asked them to do that, or one of their friends or family, not wanting to burden the Barnhills?

    But then the Ramseys never bothered to pick up the dog or pay his boarding bill. Abandoned as quickly as a body under a Christmas tree, it would appear. Obviously the three remaining Ramseys had no bonding with the pets.

    What am I missing here?
    Nothing. You've always had their number. The dog was as much of a fixture in Patsy's made-up life as Jonbenet was. At least he didn't get bashed over the head (that we know of).

    PS I decided that I love Charlie Brennan.

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    Cool Babes for Brennan!!!!

    Reallllllllllllllly NOT caring How ~ but Charlie has been there just as we have ~ for the duration ~ it's only fitting that someone that never accepted the Fake Reality that the Corrupt Administration of HunterLaceyTracy tried to cram down our throats ~ Shame, Shame, Shame on Them for Thinking We Would Swallow.

    This Rat is Ready to Retire from RamseyLand ~ but only after MY Victory ~ if Patsy gets one so do I ~ Thinking that Surviving the Death of My Own Daughter has proven to me even Deeper the Depths of Patsy's Performances ~ and it damn sure did not make me any nicer about it ~ xo

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    Quote Originally Posted by RiverRat View Post
    Reallllllllllllllly NOT caring How ~ but Charlie has been there just as we have ~ for the duration ~ it's only fitting that someone that never accepted the Fake Reality that the Corrupt Administration of HunterLaceyTracy tried to cram down our throats ~ Shame, Shame, Shame on Them for Thinking We Would Swallow.

    This Rat is Ready to Retire from RamseyLand ~ but only after MY Victory ~ if Patsy gets one so do I ~ Thinking that Surviving the Death of My Own Daughter has proven to me even Deeper the Depths of Patsy's Performances ~ and it damn sure did not make me any nicer about it ~ xo

    Oh, dear Rat...there are no words. Just know we love you and always will.

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    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    Quote Originally Posted by koldkase View Post
    Oh, dear Rat...there are no words. Just know we love you and always will.
    To my dear Rat ... what KK said, times two.

    If Charlie Brennan can pull this off, it will uncork a lot of what the Ramseys, their lawyers, and three Boulder DAs have tried to hide for almost 17 years.

    I know John Ramsey is NOT happy about this latest development. And THAT makes ME happy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wombat View Post
    Nothing. You've always had their number. The dog was as much of a fixture in Patsy's made-up life as Jonbenet was. At least he didn't get bashed over the head (that we know of).

    PS I decided that I love Charlie Brennan.
    Hey, wombat! Good to see you, my favorite engineer.

    Charlie Brennan may turn out to be another case hero. I don't want to get my hopes up, but a copy of the lawsuit has been posted at topix and I swear, it almost sounds like Brennan could get access to the indictment.

    As I read it, Stan Garnett and Mark Beckner are fine with releasing the document in question, but Garnett wants a judge to make the final decision to be sure Colorado grand jury law isn't broken in the process.

    I'm no lawyer, though. So what do y'all think: http://www.topix.net/forum/news/jonb...TN6RBGTF1B8Q0M

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    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cherokee View Post
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    If Charlie Brennan can pull this off, it will uncork a lot of what the Ramseys, their lawyers, and three Boulder DAs have tried to hide for almost 17 years.

    I know John Ramsey is NOT happy about this latest development. And THAT makes ME happy!
    That does make one feel all warm and fuzzy, doesn't it?

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    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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