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  1. #73

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    Lot's of discussion going on and information provided at WS. Rather than try to repost it on FFJ, you can read it here to keep up with the latest:

    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=224943

    (Maybe KK will consider coming back too. We miss her. Her absence leaves us all at a loss.)
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  2. #74

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tez View Post
    FRIDAY IS THE DAY, FOLKS!!! IT'S GOING TO BE RELEASED!!!!!

    http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news...n-patsy-ramsey
    Be still, my heart!

    Of course, there's still time for John to file an injunction and get the indictment release stalled, but maybe he's hoping if he doesn't, the whole thing will die down again.

    John also may not have the money to take on fighting the Colorado courts for an extended period of time. Despite claiming to be a consultant (he had one or two clients), a brief try at PR for a friend's mining operation, and renovating/selling a couple of houses, John hasn't been gainfully employed since he was fired from his job in 1997.

    And all that airplane fuel he burns through is expensive!
    Last edited by Cherokee; October 23, 2013, 8:58 pm at Wed Oct 23 20:58:53 UTC 2013.

  3. #75

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    Quote Originally Posted by madeleine_ws View Post
    what are you saying now John?!

    http://www.dailycamera.com/news/boul...ohn-patsy-case

    It appears that the District Attorney, presumably acting at the discretion of the grand jury, prepared a series of possible charges regarding John Ramsey and Patricia Ramsey based on the fact that the child had died and that there was evidence that a sexual assault of the child had occurred," Lowenbach said.
    More from the link:

    He ruled that only pages signed by the foreman of the grand jury would be considered "official actions" of the grand jury and would thus be releasable.

    John Ramsey had written a letter to Garnett on Sunday saying he objected to the release of the indictment without the entire grand jury record also being released.

    But in the order, Lowenbach said grand jury transcripts and other evidence did not constitute "official action" and would not be released.

    "The court is sympathetic to the position of Mr. Ramsey but has nonetheless concluded that as an 'official action' of the grand jury, the 'indictment' signed by the foreman of the grand jury must be disclosed," Lowenbach wrote. "The request of Mr. Ramsey to release the entire record of the grand jury cannot be granted. Such an action would set a precedent that would impede other grand juries in performing their functions under statute and rule."



    John gambled with his letter to Garnett and lost! He KNEW all of the Grand Jury records, transcripts and evidence CANNOT be made public, so it was easy for him to say "release it all."

    Next up: Garnett's revocation of Lacy's bogus and worthless DNA exoneration!
    Last edited by Cherokee; October 24, 2013, 10:32 am at Thu Oct 24 10:32:56 UTC 2013.

  4. #76

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    Now I know what I am doing this weekend...where's the champagne smiley again?

    Like they are saying over on websleuths, all the "but they were exonerated" and "but there was small foreign faction DNA" will be repeated ad nauseum, but something that shows that the Ramsey's have always lied is going to be in our hands. Yay, to say the least.

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    I'm going to speculate why John Ramsey wanted all the paperwork released.

    If only foreman-signed indictment pages are made public then John looks just as guilty as Patsy. If all the paperwork is released I'd speculate the evidence presented to the Grand Jury pointed to Patsy with John there only in the capacity of keeping things covered up once he knew what happened. In this pretend scenario John wants the main blame on Patsy and he can plead and beg mercy for having supported his sick wife, and maybe his son. After all, he wanted to keep what was left of his family together even if Patsy was the responsible.

    By withholding evidence from the public he looks as guilty as Patsy and probably looks the most like the perpetrator of the sexual assault/violence.

    The above is just a pretend scenario but it sounds good to me.

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    Well, I'll be busy eating CROW for the NEXT HOUR...in honor of Judge Lowenbach, I will chew it with a smile.

    An honest judge in Colorado...what a concept!

    So we can thank Brennan and his group of reporters who sued for this record, Garnett for clearing the way by letting the judge make the ruling so there can be no question of legality, and now Judge Lowenbach for being a decent human being who is willing to do his job with integrity.

    As Chero says, there may still be a few payoffs up John Ramsey's sleeve, so I still can't pop the champagne until we see what Friday brings.

    Oh heck, sure I can! This case hasn't a good day in the Halls of Justice in Boulder in a very long time.

    We may never get another.

    So CARPE DIEM!
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    "University of Colorado Law Professor Paul Campos declared the letter a 'reckless exoneration.' He went on to state, 'Everyone knows that relative immunity from criminal conviction is something money can buy.
    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    Quote Originally Posted by otg View Post
    Lot's of discussion going on and information provided at WS. Rather than try to repost it on FFJ, you can read it here to keep up with the latest:

    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=224943

    (Maybe KK will consider coming back too. We miss her. Her absence leaves us all at a loss.)
    Awww...I figured y'all were grateful to get rid of an old grouch like me.

    I took a break so I wouldn't start a riot in familiar delicate Southern Belle fashion, but now I'm feeling guilty since you said this so kindly.

    "University of Colorado Law Professor Paul Campos declared the letter a 'reckless exoneration.' He went on to state, 'Everyone knows that relative immunity from criminal conviction is something money can buy.
    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tez View Post
    John is saying, "File something, I paid you big bucks, now get on it!"


    Totally!

    "University of Colorado Law Professor Paul Campos declared the letter a 'reckless exoneration.' He went on to state, 'Everyone knows that relative immunity from criminal conviction is something money can buy.
    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    Quote Originally Posted by koldkase View Post


    Totally!
    Yep, that's what he's doing....LOL


    Meanwhile, we are doing this...LOL

    I was shocked when I seen the article on my FB feed. I kind of figured it would be next week or so.

    KoldKase, your presence is sorely missed at WS. We can't do it alone, please come back.

    The above is just my opinion, right or wrong, but please leave it at FFJ.

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    OH HAPPY DAYS ARE HEAR AGAIN BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAZEEBLAH"

    Sorry don't know the rest of the words.

    But it is a great day for justice my friends.

    FINALLY the Ramsey LIES will be exposed. Not completely but it is a beginning.

    Great News. James Kolar and Beth Karas will both be on my show Sunday 8 PM Eastern.

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    Quote Originally Posted by koldkase View Post
    Well, I'll be busy eating CROW for the NEXT HOUR...on behalf of Judge Lowenbach, I will chew it with a smile.

    An honest judge in Colorado...what a concept!

    So we can thank Brennan and his group of reporters who sued for this record, Garnett for clearing the way by letting the judge make the ruling so there can be no question of legality, and now Judge Lowenbach for being a decent human being who is willing to do his job with integrity.

    As Chero says, there may still be a few payoffs up John Ramsey's sleeve, so I still can't pop the champagne until we see what Friday brings.

    Oh heck, sure I can! This case hasn't a good day in the Halls of Justice in Boulder in a very long time.

    We may never get another.

    So CARPE DIEM!
    So, I got a friend of mine who lives Charlevoix to find out what John Ramsey was doing today. Here's the short video he sent back:




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