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  1. #109

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    Quote Originally Posted by madeleine_ws View Post
    this stupid "exoneration" thing makes me bang my head whenever I hear about it.It was wrong on so many levels.

    Even IF the DNA proves (it's just a possibility out of many anyway) that there was another person at the scene that night (how can you even prove WHEN it was deposited,anyway...) how the heck does ML know that it wasn't a Ramsey accomplice(friend,doctor,dunno,you name it,lots of possibilities since the phone records are "missing")????since the REST of the evidence points at THEM!

    ETA:by accomplice I mean someone called over AFTER the fact,accomplice in the staging/cover-up/crime scene cleaning, not murder
    Amen !!
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    and please forgive me for repeating myself ...but did our good dr.Beuf give a DNA sample?I know they tested lots of Ramsey friends,etc but since there is no list I will keep asking....
    M. Lacy: "You know, no-one is really cleared of a homicide until there’s a conviction, in court beyond a reasonable doubt. And I don’t think you will get any prosecutor… unless they were present with the person at the time of the crime… to clear someone."

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    Ironic isn't it...I don't think I was ever this excited as a kid on Christmas Eve...

    Out of all the holidays to use as the Perfect (Murder, Perfect Town) Comparison to My Feelings right now ~ I am as Fan of Irony though so works for me!
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    "What happens is that evil comes in," Fleet says. "If you don't have truth, all you have are lies, then what comes in is evil. And evil just does its thing. In the Ramsey case, it just did its thing, and it's eaten up so many people."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cherokee View Post
    And why doesn't the media, who so blindly swallowed Lacy's "exoneration" ASK THESE SAME QUESTIONS?!!!!

    Anyone with critical-thinking skills can see the SAME HOLES in Lacy's actions, SO WHY DOESN'T ANYONE WITH PRESS CREDENTIALS say that and push for a revocation of that worthless piece of paper that John Ramsey is hiding behind?!
    they don't do research no more,it's not about the truth anymore it's about the rating and the ads...this is the "copy/paste" generation of "journalists"
    M. Lacy: "You know, no-one is really cleared of a homicide until there’s a conviction, in court beyond a reasonable doubt. And I don’t think you will get any prosecutor… unless they were present with the person at the time of the crime… to clear someone."

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    Quote Originally Posted by madeleine_ws View Post
    they don't do research no more,it's not about the truth anymore it's about the rating and the ads...this is the "copy/paste" generation of "journalists"
    So right, and I've said the same thing myself!

    Thank God for the few left like Charlie Brennan!!! Now THAT MAN is a real journalist and a light shining in the darkness of today's dumbed-down, celebrity-chasing media.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cherokee View Post
    So right, and I've said the same thing myself!

    Thank God for the few left like Charlie Brennan!!! Now THAT MAN is a real journalist and a light shining in the darkness of today's dumbed-down, celebrity-chasing media.
    and it's not only the younger ones...I was amazed that some old school ones (A.Cooper,B.Walters,etc) kissed JR's @ss when they invited him to talk about his new "masterpiece" (TOSOS)...YUK
    M. Lacy: "You know, no-one is really cleared of a homicide until there’s a conviction, in court beyond a reasonable doubt. And I don’t think you will get any prosecutor… unless they were present with the person at the time of the crime… to clear someone."

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    Charlie Brennan was just interviewed on FOX News. Then Judge Andrew Napolitano, FOX's legal expert, was interviewed. He thought it was strange that the grand jury voted to indict the Ramseys when grand juries basically do what the prosecutor wants them to do. And the prosecutor obviously did NOT want the Ramseys indicted.

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    http://www.acandyrose.com/s-ramsey-grand-jury.htm
    Reviewing my Ramsey Grand Jury web page, I particularly like this part:

    Steve Thomas Deposition (Atlanta, Georgia) 09/21/2001
    Wolf vs Ramsey Civil Action File No. 00-CIV-1187(JEC)

    (Grand Jury Discussion)

    48
    17 Q. Did you ever receive any
    18 information about grand jury testimony or
    19 evidence in the case?
    20 A. Never.

    (SNIP)

    53
    7 Q. Do you have any other documents
    8 about this investigation, other than those
    9 documents? Do you?
    10 A. Oh, I'm sorry. If I understand
    11 the question correctly, no, as I said, not
    12 that I recall because post-August '98 began
    13 the grand jury. And certainly I don't have
    14 any information from the grand jury room.

    (SNIP)

    202
    4 Q. (BY MR. WOOD) You said very
    5 clearly to Mr. Hoffman you do not know the
    6 state of the evidence with respect to the
    7 JonBenet Ramsey investigation, as you sit here
    8 today, the state of the evidence as of
    9 September 2001, true?
    10 A. After leaving the police
    11 department, yes, that concluded my official
    12 participation. I have followed the case
    13 through the media, but as far as being privy
    14 to anything that occurred in the grand jury
    15 or continued evidence testing, I'm unaware of
    16 that.
    17 Q. You knew the state of the evidence
    18 as it existed in the case as of March 2001,
    19 true?
    20 A. That was during the period which
    21 -- no, the grand jury had concluded -- no, I
    22 -- no, I wasn't inside the police department
    23 reviewing evidence at that time either.
    24 Q. But what you did know and you had
    25 actual knowledge of was that a grand jury had

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    1 met for some 13 months and had not issued an
    2 indictment against John and Patsy Ramsey,
    3 right?
    4 A. I don't know that. Do you know
    5 that?
    6 Q. Sir, was an indictment issued? Do
    7 you have information there was an indictment
    8 of my clients that nobody has bothered
    9 telling them or me about?
    10 MR. HOFFMAN: Actually, Lin,
    11 Patrick Burke has information that he should
    12 have told you about which he announced to the
    13 media that according to him the grand jury
    14 actually took a straw poll. Why don't you
    15 ask Patrick Burke.
    16 MR. WOOD: Let me tell you,
    17 Darnay, that won't count against my time.
    18 MR. HOFFMAN: Okay.
    19 MR. WOOD: But you're right, it
    20 was a straw poll; it was a vote not to
    21 indict. Thank you for bringing something to
    22 my attention that I already knew.
    23 MR. HOFFMAN: Okay.

    24 Q. (BY MR. WOOD) Would you answer
    25 my question, sir? It's pretty simple. You

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    1 know that no indictment was issued by the
    2 grand jury, true?
    3 A. I don't know what the grand jury
    4 did.
    5 Q. I'm not asking you what they did
    6 in terms of whether they voted or not, sir.
    7 MR. DIAMOND: I think he's asking
    8 you --
    9 Q. (BY MR. WOOD) I'm asking you
    10 whether they issued an indictment to indict
    11 John and/or Patsy Ramsey?
    12 MR. DIAMOND: -- are you aware of
    13 any public report of such an indictment.
    14 A. No.
    15 Q. (BY MR. WOOD) You also know that
    16 after the grand jury was dismissed that Alex
    17 Hunter stated publicly that all seven of the
    18 prosecutors in the case unanimously agreed
    19 that this was not a case where they felt
    20 that evidence was sufficient to justify at
    21 that time a prosecution. You know that, too,
    22 don't you, sir?
    23 A. That Hunter --
    24 Q. Made that statement publicly?
    25 A. Made the statement that his

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    1 advisors supported that decision?
    2 Q. Seven prosecutors, not his
    3 advisors, seven prosecutors, you know that,
    4 don't you, sir?
    5 A. I know that statement was made.


    (SNIP)

    391
    24 Q. Do you know of any prosecutor who
    25 is familiar with the evidence that has

    392
    1 concluded that the evidence shows beyond a
    2 reasonable doubt that Patsy Ramsey is guilty
    3 of the homicide of her daughter?
    4 A. No, because the prosecutors privy
    5 to that evidence are bound by grand jury
    6 secrecy and none have violated that with me.

    (SNIP)

    394
    13 Q. Why did you not, when you had old
    14 Barry Scheck, a nice guy, Henry Lee, all
    15 these VIPs there, why did you not include the
    16 intruder evidence in the presentation to
    17 objectively give those individuals both sides
    18 of the case?
    19 A. Because the Boulder Police
    20 Department's position was, as I understood it
    21 and understand it, the VIP presentation was
    22 to show that there was sufficient probable
    23 cause to arrest Patsy Ramsey and for the DA's
    24 office to move it forward through the use of
    25 a grand jury with that end in mind.

    395
    1 Q. Of an indictment which is a
    2 finding by a grand jury of probable cause to
    3 charge or arrest, right?
    4 A. Yes.
    5 Q. You've been in the business long
    6 enough to know that the grand jury can, as
    7 they say, indict a ham sandwich, right? It
    8 doesn't take much evidence to indict or
    9 arrest, does it, sir?
    10 A. My understanding of probable cause
    11 is facts and evidence and circumstances that
    12 are within the knowledge of a police officer
    13 that would lead a reasonable person to
    14 conclude that, A, a crime was committed and
    15 B, that a particular individual was involved.
    16 Sometimes, depending on the case,
    17 that can sometimes be a great threshold.

    (SNIP)

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    24 Q. You state in your book there were
    25 27 reasons for a grand jury and it's at page

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    1 309. But my question is, were those 27
    2 reasons for a grand jury correlate to the 27
    3 remaining tasks that were referred to in that
    4 June '98 press release by the Boulder Police
    5 Department?
    6 A. Let me look at 309 real quickly.
    7 308, 309?
    8 Q. It's on 309 and I've got a copy
    9 of that press release where he says there
    10 were 27 tasks remaining. I'm just wondering
    11 if that's the correlation.
    12 A. Oh, if I understand you correctly,
    13 did these 27 reasons correspond with the 27
    14 tasks left on the to-do list?
    15 Q. Yes.
    16 A. No.

    (SNIP)

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    6 Q. What I want to know is if you can
    7 date that for me? "'The case is not being
    8 handled well,' said the CASKU agents."
    9 A. Shortly before I believe the
    10 Ramseys' April 30, 1997 interview.
    11 Q. Can you identify the three agents
    12 for me?
    13 A. Supervisory special agent Bill
    14 Hagmaier, special agent Mike Morrow, and their
    15 partner and the third special agent, his name
    16 just escapes me at the moment.
    17 Q. And those three agents prior to
    18 April 30, 1997 said that the intruder theory
    19 was absurd, Hofstrom needs to act like a
    20 prosecutor not a public defender. Don't do
    21 tomorrow's interview and get a grand jury as
    22 soon as possible, right?
    23 A. Yes.
    .
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    Isn't that soooo annoying, ACR?! Suing, Steve ~ Grilling Steve like that on the grounds of the GJ NOT signing an Indictment but knowing they did ~ How Low Can Ya Go ~

    I read somewhere that Hunter has No Comment ~ on some legal grounds that he wants to hide behind and pretend he is a law abiding citizen & officer of the court ~ again ~ I refer back to Said Serpent....
    "Don't play dumb with me, RR! You're no good at it." The Punisher

    "Although no one is anticipating a prompt resolution to this long and much-detoured case, perhaps - just perhaps - might we see one of those moments “when a chance arrow of history scores a perfect bullseye on a deserving target”? Steve Thomas 2009

    "Justice hasn't had a chance so far. Anyone who doesn't have this as their prime goal, we'll have a falling out with." Fleet White - Time Magazine

    "What happens is that evil comes in," Fleet says. "If you don't have truth, all you have are lies, then what comes in is evil. And evil just does its thing. In the Ramsey case, it just did its thing, and it's eaten up so many people."

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    Quote Originally Posted by RiverRat View Post
    Isn't that soooo annoying, ACR?! Suing, Steve ~ Grilling Steve like that on the grounds of the GJ NOT signing an Indictment but knowing they did ~ How Low Can Ya Go ~

    I read somewhere that Hunter has No Comment ~ on some legal grounds that he wants to hide behind and pretend he is a law abiding citizen & officer of the court ~ again ~ I refer back to Said Serpent....
    Hey RR! I saw that this morning...Yep, what a fine time to be quiet...LOL

    The above is just my opinion, right or wrong, but please leave it at FFJ.

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    Does he NOT know we are sitting here waiting, Tezzie?!?! Give us something, even if it's something simple enough like a Hunter Fairy Take to hit out of the ballpark without breaking a nail!!!
    "Don't play dumb with me, RR! You're no good at it." The Punisher

    "Although no one is anticipating a prompt resolution to this long and much-detoured case, perhaps - just perhaps - might we see one of those moments “when a chance arrow of history scores a perfect bullseye on a deserving target”? Steve Thomas 2009

    "Justice hasn't had a chance so far. Anyone who doesn't have this as their prime goal, we'll have a falling out with." Fleet White - Time Magazine

    "What happens is that evil comes in," Fleet says. "If you don't have truth, all you have are lies, then what comes in is evil. And evil just does its thing. In the Ramsey case, it just did its thing, and it's eaten up so many people."

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    Quote Originally Posted by otg View Post
    BTW, I've just gotta say...

    It sure is nice to see all these posters who've been absent for so long coming out now. Posters who, whether they know it or not, are legends to the people who read here constantly but never post. I know how easy it is to get discouraged and give up after all we've seen happen over the many years. And while this latest action won't bring about any resolution to all the questions we still have, at least maybe now the RST will be exposed to the public for the deceitful, disingenuous, dishonest, duplicitous, deceptive, devious liars we know them to be (Okay, I could have gone on, but I thought I would limit myself only to adjectives that begin with a "d".).
    Gumby, you rock.

    P.S. You left out "dirtbag."



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