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October 25, 2013, 3:15 pm, Fri Oct 25 15:15:59 UTC 2013 #61
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What YOU said, times two! Excellent post, and I agree with EVERY WORD!
The Ramseys covered up what really happened that night out of shock and fear and wanting to protect their "perfect family" image. After that, they had to stick with their story, no matter the evidence otherwise, or who it hurt. Their goal became self-preservation. That's why they were never interested in finding JonBenet's killer or helping the investigation. They KNEW where the truth led.Last edited by Cherokee; October 26, 2013, 10:14 pm at Sat Oct 26 22:14:12 UTC 2013.
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October 25, 2013, 3:18 pm, Fri Oct 25 15:18:26 UTC 2013 #62
Don't forget that the ultimate motive for that ligature and sexual abuse by a PAINTBRUSH was to cover up the prior sexual abuse found at autopsy.
Even if Patsy and John might have been willing to deal with the fallout from Burke being the abuser, I imagine they didn't want to deal with the fact that some people would always believe it was John sexually abusing her.
Of course, we have no way of knowing it wasn't John. Or another male family member. Or even Patsy, as some believe.
Welcome to FFJ, by the way. Glad to see you joining in the discussion.
"University of Colorado Law Professor Paul Campos declared the letter a 'reckless exoneration.' He went on to state, 'Everyone knows that relative immunity from criminal conviction is something money can buy.
Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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October 25, 2013, 3:20 pm, Fri Oct 25 15:20:27 UTC 2013 #63
Sure wish there were "THANKS" buttons on this forum like Websleuths!! I would have THANKed everyone of y'all posts!!
I don't watch them anymore either, Koldkase!! If I do - all I can think is
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That's what I don't understand - Mr. Lin Wood & others keep saying there was no evidence, but then Mr. Kolar says, if there was NO evidence the Grand jury would NOT have indicted them...
with
leading the way. He keeps repeating it, and repeating it, and repeating it
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October 25, 2013, 3:42 pm, Fri Oct 25 15:42:45 UTC 2013 #64"Don't play dumb with me, RR! You're no good at it." The Punisher
"Although no one is anticipating a prompt resolution to this long and much-detoured case, perhaps - just perhaps - might we see one of those moments “when a chance arrow of history scores a perfect bullseye on a deserving target”? Steve Thomas 2009
"Justice hasn't had a chance so far. Anyone who doesn't have this as their prime goal, we'll have a falling out with." Fleet White - Time Magazine
"What happens is that evil comes in," Fleet says. "If you don't have truth, all you have are lies, then what comes in is evil. And evil just does its thing. In the Ramsey case, it just did its thing, and it's eaten up so many people."
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October 25, 2013, 3:45 pm, Fri Oct 25 15:45:02 UTC 2013 #65
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October 25, 2013, 3:46 pm, Fri Oct 25 15:46:01 UTC 2013 #66"Don't play dumb with me, RR! You're no good at it." The Punisher
"Although no one is anticipating a prompt resolution to this long and much-detoured case, perhaps - just perhaps - might we see one of those moments “when a chance arrow of history scores a perfect bullseye on a deserving target”? Steve Thomas 2009
"Justice hasn't had a chance so far. Anyone who doesn't have this as their prime goal, we'll have a falling out with." Fleet White - Time Magazine
"What happens is that evil comes in," Fleet says. "If you don't have truth, all you have are lies, then what comes in is evil. And evil just does its thing. In the Ramsey case, it just did its thing, and it's eaten up so many people."
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October 25, 2013, 4:00 pm, Fri Oct 25 16:00:21 UTC 2013 #67
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KoldKase wrote:
Don't forget that the ultimate motive for that ligature and sexual abuse by a PAINTBRUSH was to cover up the prior sexual abuse found at autopsy
If a paintbrush had been used to cover up previous sexual abuse, it's hard to think that young Burke himself would have known what measures to take here; therefore Patsy, or both Ramseys went to his rescue. Plus, I have trouble with the fact if previous abuse was present, Patsy Ramsey had to have known this from bathing her young daughter. Surely JonBenét must have suffered extreme pain in her vagina more than a few times (?). I am absolutely baffled by this.elle: The RST can't handle the truth!
Just my opinion.
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October 25, 2013, 4:03 pm, Fri Oct 25 16:03:28 UTC 2013 #68
Nice Try...
Lin Wood, an attorney for John Ramsey, said the released indictment means "absolutely zero" in terms of the investigation into JonBenet's death.
"The documents today are a mere historical footnote, a small glimpse into the grand jury proceedings," Wood said. "It's four pages of what would have likely been hundreds of volumes of testimony and exhibit."
NOT just any four pages but the most important four pages of the hundreds of volumes of testimony and exhibits ~ The Summary. Dang...poor guy hasn't got much to work with right now, does he?!
Feeling totally Validated right now with my PATSY DID IT Mantra ~ I never had the first doubt about being off on that one. Thank you, Charlie!!! Even if this goes no further, it's more confirmation of my beliefs than I expected to have at THIS point ~ got lulled into thinking we would have to wait it out another decade or so before something of this magnitude presented itself!Last edited by RiverRat; October 26, 2013, 4:31 am at Sat Oct 26 4:31:44 UTC 2013.
"Don't play dumb with me, RR! You're no good at it." The Punisher
"Although no one is anticipating a prompt resolution to this long and much-detoured case, perhaps - just perhaps - might we see one of those moments “when a chance arrow of history scores a perfect bullseye on a deserving target”? Steve Thomas 2009
"Justice hasn't had a chance so far. Anyone who doesn't have this as their prime goal, we'll have a falling out with." Fleet White - Time Magazine
"What happens is that evil comes in," Fleet says. "If you don't have truth, all you have are lies, then what comes in is evil. And evil just does its thing. In the Ramsey case, it just did its thing, and it's eaten up so many people."
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October 25, 2013, 4:10 pm, Fri Oct 25 16:10:53 UTC 2013 #69
Elle, what you are assuming is that the paintbrush stabbing was part of the cover-up. Maybe most people think it was. My mind goes in a different direction. I don't think Patsy would have used her own paintbrush to do such a thing, too close, too incriminating. But I can see a young boy experimenting on an unconscious body in front of him, that perhaps he had not had that kind of access to before. Maybe he thought that would wake her up, if nothing else did?
We've said for YEARS about how amateurish the cord around her neck was. It was, and I also don't believe Patsy or John would have done things that way. I think they worked with what they found, and added the ransom note, and maybe cleaned and redressed her. Maybe. Still not sure that the perpetrator didn't do most of it himself. It's true that Patsy's coat fibers were found in the cord, but maybe that was accidental. Just things we will never, ever know.
Dang, I sure wish Chief Kolar could speak about what he knows."We're not necessarily doubting that God will do the best for us; we are wondering how painful the best will turn out to be." - C.S. Lewis
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October 25, 2013, 4:11 pm, Fri Oct 25 16:11:26 UTC 2013 #70
Thanks, koldcase. I've been a member here for ages, I just drifted off after a while.
I don't remember more things than I do remember about this case...
In particular, I don't know if I was 100% convinced Jonbenet was sexually abused in the past. I seem to remember there were conflicting reports on that topic. And suggestions that her vaginal irritation could have been due to too many bubble baths?
In any event, I do believe her brother was angry with the attention she got & by looks he appeared to be a very well behaved/repressed boy but those are the kinds of kids that lash out when nobody is watching.
Why is the favorite nightgown downstairs? Is he forcing her to dress up & give him a private talent show? Or could he possibly have been experimenting with cross dressing & that's why the too large underpants were even downstairs & eventually put on the dead Jonbenet?
Did Jonbenet walk in and find him with her clothes & threaten to tell? Did he flip out & attack her?
The whole family just seemed too anxious to NOT solve the case... I can only imagine the truth was pretty embarrassing & awful.
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October 25, 2013, 9:39 pm, Fri Oct 25 21:39:38 UTC 2013 #71
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The coroner and many forensic specialists who studied the autopsy ALL found evidence of PRIOR sexual abuse. Prior also described as "chronic" In the medical sense "chronic" also means prior and it could have been as recent as a DAY before. It need not have been a long time before and it need not have been on more than ONE other occasion. There should be NO one following this case who is still unsure of this. The evidence was there, and it was found and documented. Not being able to accept it is denial and nothing more.
There was NO cross dressing. The panties on her were already in the basement, wrapped with other gifts for JB's cousin, for whom they had been bought. The parents dressed her in them.
Bubble baths do not cause bleeding, bruising, erosion of the hymen or widening of the vaginal canal or bruising of the labia. ALL were found in JB. The pink nightgown was found stuck on the white blanket that JB was wrapped in. It may have come out of the dryer stuck to the blanket, or she may have been wearing it when the abuse took place- BR and Patsy's DNA were found on it, as were droplets of JB's blood.
BR wouldn't have fit in her clothes. He was nearly 4 years older and larger.This is my Constitutionally protected OPINION. Please do not copy or take it anywhere else.
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October 25, 2013, 9:48 pm, Fri Oct 25 21:48:16 UTC 2013 #72"We're not necessarily doubting that God will do the best for us; we are wondering how painful the best will turn out to be." - C.S. Lewis
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