Darnay Hoffman Deposes Patsy Ramsey

Discussion in 'Justice for JonBenet Discussion - Public Forum' started by Dunvegan, Dec 12, 2001.

  1. Dunvegan

    Dunvegan Guest

  2. Texan

    Texan FFJ Senior Member

  3. fly

    fly Member

    master spinners

    Yep, Wood is a master spinner, but the brevity of the deposition isn't easy to spin. Maybe NYL got on the record the key stuff he needed, of course. Or maybe he realized he wasn't likely to get anything terribly earthshattering from PR.
     
  4. Greenleaf

    Greenleaf FFJ Senior Member

    Ram's live interview

    It was either on Fox or MSNBC that I saw a
    brief live report, as the Ramseys were leaving
    from the deposition with NYL.

    John was his usual arrogant self. He dismissed
    it all as a waste of time (I'm paraphrasing) and
    said something about Wolf being nothing
    more than a "male stripper."

    Patsy said that she was prepared to stay all
    day, and was surprised at the early dismissal.
    She said she answered every question. She
    looked rather pretty (better than I've seen
    her in a long time)and spoke calmly and with
    confidence. She seemed pleased with herself,
    sans the arrogance.

    It was all very brief; lasting no more than
    a minute or two.

    I watched but did not see the clip repeated.


    Greenleaf
     
  5. Harley

    Harley Member

    Greenleaf

    did you really think Patsy looked pretty. On my TV she looked like crap. LOL. Needed a hair cut. Was watching on a big screen T.V. maybe that was the difference. Looked like she had gained weight or had another breast augmentation (they looked bigger anyway). Okay was that catty enough?
     
  6. JR

    JR FFJ Senior Member

    Hmmmmm

    LOL! Harley!

    Wood said he objected to only one question: Why had the Ramseys given an interview earlier this year to a supermarket tabloid? He said he later withdrew the objection.

    Would love to hear the answer to that question.
     
  7. Gail

    Gail Member

    Please help me

    I don't know why, but I just went to forum owned by hir, for the first time:banghead:

    Who the :curse: is she/he??????.

    She talks of LW like he is her long lost brother.......i.e Lin says the depos will be posted by weeks end :rolleyes:.

    She visits JBR's grave and cleans up and talks like this is something she does often........isn't that a family responsiblity????:duh:

    :confused: :banghead:

    Who, What Why is she/he?????

    it has taken me a while to go visit there since I did not really want to give "it" the hit, but curiosity got the better of me.
     
  8. Tricia

    Tricia Administrator Staff Member

    hey

    Gail Jammy's site is recommend by the AMA for people with a low blood pressure problem. Shoots the old blood right through the roof after reading just one of hir posts.

    Angel a truck load of Pimms is what we need :)

    Here is another story about the depos. I did take it from MrsBrady's page.

    http://www.kmgh.com/den/news/stories/news-112332920011211-211225.html
     
  9. Gail

    Gail Member

    ok guys

    now I know why I had to suddenly lie down with a headache....it was my blood pressure...thankgod I took my pill this morning or who knows what may have happened.

    Angel:angel: I think a couple of :heart: is what I need :)

    She/he is a real piece of work.....I think I should stay away from hir forum, it may become life threatining.

    So do we have any reports on the "good johns" depo yet???

    edited to say thanks Tricia, off to check out the link now:)
     
  10. Greenleaf

    Greenleaf FFJ Senior Member

    Gail

    Dear Gail,
    You asked: "who is Hir?"

    Oh, dear me, that is a tough one indeed. She first posted as a man, who had lost his wife in an automobile accident, in Germany. (That was on the old Boulder News Forum.) Later, she confessed that she was, in fact, a woman. Just a "housewife, who stays home and baked bread." The "Hir" nickname came about as confusion with her gender escalated.

    She has, throughout, maintained that the Ramseys are innocent. If a hard fact is put before her, she spins it to death, while KNOWING (from all kinds of secret "sources," that the Rams are being rail-roaded.)

    She stopped baking bread a long time ago, and commenced her "DonQuote" (sp?) journey into the windmills of nonsense. Although her real name is well known by all who frequent the forums, I will not disclose it now, as I try to abide by the rules of this forum.

    The old BNF "outted" her, with her real name, while giving her a hard time about the many different stories as to her identity. I never thought it fair, that her name, and place of residence, early on, came out. However, since she has been all over the media, with her outlandish views, the negative feelings for her now, imho, are of her own making. While I personally find her a rather pathetic figure, who is clamoring mightily to be a friend of the Ramseys, (and other well-known people) she does have her followers, albeit it they seem to be presently on the wane.

    In short "Hir" never seems to be at a lost for words, when it comes to defending the Ramseys. She tries hard to associate herself with all those (including lawyer Wood) who defend the Ramseys. On the other hand, she does not hesitate to say vicious things about critics of the Ramseys. IMHO, she relishes being in the limelight and is looking for her 15 minutes of fame.

    Nevertheless, I wish her well. (I never did like the "Hir.") Occasionally, she is first with some news, but I attribute that to her ongoing contacts with the Ramseys, and not from any extraordinary sleuthing abilities.

    I also believe that she indeed believes that the Ramseys are innocent. I have never known anyone else like her. If she were a Taliban, she would fight to the end. Her loyality to the Ramseys, along her 24/7 cyberspace ramblings, gives her a rare kind of clout, which makes most reasonable folks insane. (Nevertheless, I do agree that she has every right in this world to express her views, even though many find them obnoxious.)

    No doubt, Gail, there are those who can describe her much better than yours truly, but, for what it is worth, those are my thoughts.

    Greenleaf
     
  11. Gail

    Gail Member

    Thank you Greenleaf

    Now I understand were the confusion came from in regards to the gender issue.

    As I was reading her post (only two) It appeared that at the very least she must have some sort of family closeness to the Ramseys or at least she thinks she does.

    I have been a JW follower for about three years but never ventured out to the Jameson forum for the fact that I did not want to appear to support anything said over there. I am firm in my belief that until there is concrete stuck in your face evidence that the Ramseys di not have anything to do with this crime that I believe they did it.

    Thank you for your post.
     
  12. Dunvegan

    Dunvegan Guest

    Acutally, Greenleaf...

    ...I think you about covered the "Jameson phenomenon" rather well.
     
  13. JR

    JR FFJ Senior Member

    Has the Phenomenon struck again?

    IMHO, hirself has painted hirself and the Ramsey's into a corner (if hir truly is a spokesperson for them.) Hir made the statement that the basement had not been painted after the Thanksgiving Holiday yet I believe John told the BPD the door to the wine cellar was "painted" shut.


    Hirself says:

    "The door may have "stuck", I don't know. But it certainly was not painted shut.

    It was latched."

    Can anyone find the reference regarding John's statement to the BPD? Normally I have my books out and ready for reference but have had too much shifting of furniture going on and can't get to them.
     
  14. Thor

    Thor Active Member

    Uh oh

    Everyone read this from John's depo

    Q: When you were looking at the ransom note, was there anything in the language of the ransom note that struck you as peculiar?

    John Ramsey: The whole thing was peculiar. We were addressed as "Mr. and Mrs. Ramsey," and then they switched to "John" personally.

    LIZARD TONGUE, IT WAS THE PRACTICE NOTE ADDRESSED TO BOTH OF YOU BASTIDS, NOT THE RANSOM NOTE!!!! JOHN BOY, THE RANSOM NOTE WAS ADDRESSED TO YOU, YOU DUMB CHIT.

    I am posting this on the daily, too, in hopes Darnay reads this. Darnay, did you catch this major slipup? Or is Johnny going to tell us it is his brain cells dying again?
     
  15. Thor

    Thor Active Member

    More

    In discussing their book, DOI: (from Patsy's)

    "23 A. I remember Janet Toma, the editor,
    24 saying that she thought we should speak to a lot
    25 of the untruths that had been imparted in other

    128
    1 books or -- like, specifically, Steve Thomas'
    2 book, and "The Perfect Murder, Perfect Town," or
    3 something like that. That book."

    ST's book was published AFTER (April, 2000) their book had been on the market (March, 2000). Uh oh again.

    Then she goes on later in the depo to say she had never read Thomas' book. Another uh oh.

    "I am going to ask you if you are
    24 familiar with Steve Thomas' book, "JonBenet"?
    25 A. I know he wrote the book. I have
    141
    1 not read it."
     
  16. Tricia

    Tricia Administrator Staff Member

    here yougo

    Rather than start a new thread (because I forgot where the heck I was in the forum :) Here is the Today Show Transcript with linwoodforbrains

    KATIE COURIC, co-host: 12/13/01

    As we've been reporting this week, for the first time, Patsy Ramsey answered
    questions under oath about the murder of her daughter,JonBenet. John and
    Patsy Ramsey are being sued by a man they say,quote, "represented too many
    unanswered questions in JonBenet's death. It's been nearly five years since
    the little girl was murdered and no arrests have been made. Lin Wood is the
    lawyer for the Ramsey family.

    Mr. Wood, good morning.

    L.LIN WOOD: (Patsy Ramsey's Attorney): Good morning,Katie.

    COURIC: Why was this the first time that Patsy Ramsey answered questions
    under oath? That seems awfully strange to people since this investigation has
    been going on for almost five years.

    Mr.WOOD: Well, she's never been asked to testify under oath before. The
    interviews that she's given that consist of probably 70 hours of police
    interviews, police questioning, there was never a request that she testify
    under oath or be interviewed under oath. That would not be routine police
    procedure. You're expected to tell the truth when you talk to the police and
    obviously in a civil case, when you give a deposition, you're sworn under
    oath to tell the truth. Either way,Patsy Ramsey has told the truth from day
    one to the present time.

    COURIC: Can you briefly explain why John and Patsy Ramsey were questioned in
    this particular case by New York attorney Darnay Hoffman?

    Mr. WOOD: Darney Hoffman is the lawyer who represents Chris Wolf. Chris Wolf
    is an individual who was a suspect in the JonBenetRamsey murder because his
    then-girlfriend went to the police and informed them that she thought, for a
    variety of reasons, that he may very well have been involved in a murder.

    The Ramseys in their book,"The Death of Innocence," identified correctly and
    accurately that Chris Wolf was a police suspect, that he did represent
    unanswered questions; and Mr. Hoffman, for reasons that we think are
    primarily related to publicity, filed this lawsuit alleging that Chris Wolf
    had been libeled and that his reputation had been somehow harmed by the
    statement of the truth that he was a suspect.

    COURIC: Well, the authorities did investigate him, did they not?

    Mr. WOOD: They did investigate him. The question of whether they investigated
    him thoroughly is obviously one that remains on the table. The more we learn
    in this litigation about the investigation by Boulder (sic) of Chris Wolf and
    others, it becomes very clear that many legitimate suspects,including Chris
    Wolf, have never been thoroughly investigated by the Boulder Police
    Department.

    COURIC: Such as?

    Mr. WOOD: Well, I don't want to name names. But I will tell you that Chris
    Wolf has not been cleared in this investigation. And we know this, Katie, we
    know that the police department, primarily led by two individuals, Steve
    Thomas and Commander Eller, who had never had any homicide experience prior
    to the JonBenet Ramsey case, clearly put on blinders for the first 10 months
    of the investigation and really refused to go anywhere in terms of legitimate
    investigation, except to look at the Ramseys. So anyone in Boulder who does
    not have an alibi who was capable of committing a brutal perverted murder of
    a small child legitimately still should remain under suspicion and be
    investigated.

    COURIC: If that is the case, though, Mr. Wood, why cannot you--why can you
    not raise possibilities of suspects here this morning without naming names?
    In other words, with--with no other suspects,obviously the--the attention
    remains on John and Patsy Ramsey; are there legitimate leads in your
    estimation that have not been followed, other than people who have some kind
    of hi--history in this?

    Mr. WOOD: Katie, I don't believe that the police have ever thoroughly
    investigated or followed up on, in all probability, any lead outside of the
    Ramsey theory that they have pursued, a theory that, I might add, is
    basically, from what I've learned, based on thin air. The Ramseys are not the
    only individuals that have been deposed in this case, I have taken the sworn
    testimony under oath of Police Chief Mark Beckner, of former
    district...(coughs)...excuse me--former district attorney Alex Hunter, former
    detective Steve Thomas, one of the Ramseys' accusers in his book. And I'm not
    at liberty, because those individuals have claimed confidentiality, they
    don't want their testimony made public...

    COURIC: Mm-hmm.

    Mr. WOOD:...just as Chris Wolf has not wanted some of the things we've
    learned about him made public. The Ramseys have not claimed confidentiality
    and that's why you're able to obtain copies of their deposition yesterday.

    COURIC: And, in fact, let me just...

    Mr. WOOD: Butwe've learned a lot from those other--excuse me one
    second--we've learned a lot from those other depositions. I can't give you
    the details, but I can tell you this with confidence that there is no
    evidence that exists that supports the involvement of John and Patsy Ramsey
    in the--in the death of their daughter. And this investigation has not
    thoroughly followed up on many leads of legitimate individuals who should
    have been investigated long ago.

    COURIC: Several times during this deposition, Mr. Hoffman asked if Patsy was
    involved in writing the ransom note. We're going to take a look at her
    response, followed by her husband's response to a similar question asked the
    following day.

    Mr. WOOD: Sure.

    Mr. DARNEY (sic) HOFFMAN: (From taped deposition) Did you write the--the
    ransom note that was found on December 26th at your Boulder home?

    Ms. PATSY RAMSEY:(From taped deposition) I believe you've already asked me
    that and Isaid...

    Mr. HOFFMAN: Just...

    Ms. RAMSEY: ...I did notwrite the ransom note, no.

    Mr. HOFFMAN: And did you haveanything to do with the death of your daughter?

    Ms. RAMSEY: No,sir, I did not.

    Mr. JOHN RAMSEY: (From taped deposition) I base my opinion on I know my wife.
    I would stake my life on the fact thatshe did not murder her child, she did
    not fake all of this nonsense,and she did not write this bizarre note.

    COURIC: Of course, the ransom note has been a major bone of--of contention.
    Many people dobelieve that Patsy Ramsey did write this note. Why is that the
    overallsense, in your view?

    Mr. WOOD: Well, you know, that's the only thin thread that anyone can in any
    way hang their hat on to make an accusation against Patsy. But let's look at
    the truth about the ransom note--the Boulder authorities hired four
    individuals they considered tobe the foremost hand-writing experts in the
    country. Three of those experts said that there was no indication that Patsy
    Ramsey had authored the note, one of those experts found indications but did
    not and would not state that Patsy was the author.

    The combined result of those experts clearly has been, as admitted by
    district attorney Alex Hunter, that there was little possibility, very low
    possibility, that Patsy Ramsey wrote that note. It is very difficult for one
    to be eliminated as the author of an individual writing because we all tend
    to--to learn how to write in similar ways, but the dissimilarities are so
    great that I believe any legitimate examiner would conclude that there's
    little or no chance that Patsy Ramsey wrote the note...

    COURIC: And...

    Mr. WOOD: ...which is the conclusion of the Boulder authorities' experts.

    COURIC: Mr. Wood, in closing,as I mentioned before, it has been almost five
    years since JonBenetRamsey was found brutally murdered in the basement of the
    Ramsey home.In your view, if John--if neither John nor Patsy Ramsey was
    responsible, will the killer ever be found?

    Mr. WOOD: The killer will not be found, Katie, unless the Boulder authorities
    finally will admit that they have had a flawed and failed investigation and
    will go back and start afresh, include the Ramseys in the investigation, but
    go back and do what's never been done before: follow the evidence,
    investigate the suspects thoroughly and don't wear blinders and--and look
    only inside the Ramsey household. There has not been a legitimate
    investigation of this case and the public will ultimately know that. The
    civil litigation will ultimately reveal the truth, that this family has been
    falsely accused by a failed investigation.

    COURIC: We should mention that Boulder authorities are not at liberty to
    speak about this because the investigation is ongoing, so I think that's...

    Mr. WOOD: That's their choice.

    COURIC: ...something...

    Mr. WOOD: They--they clearly could speak out, and have on numerous occasions
    when they felt it was to their advantage.

    COURIC: Lin Wood...

    Mr. WOOD: But--but they choose not to speak out at the present time.

    COURIC: ...Lin Wood, again, thanks very much for talking with us this
    morning. We appreciate it.

    Mr. WOOD: Nice--nice to speak with you, Katie. Merry Christmas.

    COURIC: Thank you. It's 7:43. Up next, actress Liv Tyler. That's right after
     
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