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    Default Did John Ramsey Commit Fraud??

    I have sent a letter to the "Ramsey Family". I have posted it below:

    Good Afternoon,

    I read the statement Lin Wood made in USA Today concerning the reward money. Here is the quote from the article:

    "The Ramseys' computer site (www.ramseyfamily.com) still is up. But Wood says the family no longer has the $100,000 reward it had been offering. He adds, however, that John Ramsey vows to "find a way to pay that reward" if someone provides information that helps arrest and convict the killer."

    My question is this: Do the Ramsey's have enough money to offer 100 thousand dollars for the reward? If not the offer should be taken down from your web site as this constitutes fraud. It is my understanding that to legally offer a reward you must have the money in a specific account correct?

    Thank you in advance for your quick response to my inquiry

    Sincerely

    Tricia *******
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    WY I need some of your blood pressure pills. Either they have it or they don't. Once again the Ramseys want it both ways

    "we are broke"

    "we are not broke"

    "we are broke"

    "we are not broke"

    "he loves me"

    "he loves me not"

    I swear this IS like a childrens game.

    If they don't have that reward money then by God they need to take it down off of their website.

    I will let you know if I hear back from them. Also I will do a little checking on the law where it concerns rewards. I know when you offer a reward through the police department you absolutely have to have it in a seperate account. However I have a feeling the Ramseys are not working with the cops on this one.

    Must give MrsBrady her due. She caught this and posted it at the swamp.

    Tricia

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    Angry Tricia

    one of our very favorite posters at CS, not, posted this disclaimer:

    Mrs. Brady,
    Lin Wood doesn't own ramseyfamily.com. Haddon, Morgan and Forman does.

    So, what on earth does that mean? Haddon et al no longer represent the Ramseys, as far as I know. Why are they the owners of a Ramsey site, then. Is this the same site the $100,000 is offered on? Is this another scam on the public like the so-called Ramsey investigators were - a PR scam?

    It has always been my understanding that in order to offer a reward, that money had to be in an escrow account. Maybe Ramsey laws are different than American law. Of course they are.
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    and the greatness which does not bow before children.

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    Default WY

    Hey thanks for checking in. I think what that poster meant was the lawyers own the domain name ramseyfamily.com. I think. I need to check on that.

    Got a message into a few people in the know about this reward thing. Including The Polly Klass Foundation and Crimestoppers in Boulder. I know one or both will know for sure.

    I do know that if you are working with the police and set up the reward with the police you must have it in a seperate account..but since the Ramseys and the cops don't see eye to eye well....I don't think they are involved in the reward.

    This is soooo Ramseyesque don't you think?

    Tricia

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    Default Tricia

    there is an explanation (excuse) for everything involving the Ramseys. Have they ever been to blame for anything? It's not they who hired investigators for the purpose of keeping Ramseys out of prison, the lawyers did that. Nevermind all these years when they've been talking about "our investigators." They hadn't a thing to do with it. Their lack of cooperation with authorities has never been their fault - it was the BPD's fault. And Steve Thomas's fault. And Linda Hoffman Pugh's fault. And the FBI's fault. And the media's fault. And the public's fault.

    Never ever have the Ramseys been at fault for anything. I suspect we will hear that they didn't have any control over the Hadden website. Of course they didn't - the Ramseys never ever do anything wrong - everyone is to blame for everything, except them. Of course, the foundation that was set up in JonBenet's name was a farce, too. But, let's see, whose fault was that? Oh, I know, Friends for JonBenet. It's their fault. It's not the Ramseys' fault they spent money hand over fist just like they had it coming in on remodeling the mansion and trips - it's our fault for not cutting them any slack so John could get a job.

    The blame game - blame everyone but themselves. The $100,000 reward money farce is just another in a long line of farces. They knew there was no danger of anyone ever claiming that reward money, they were safe in offering it. And now they can use it to further their pity party a little further as they try to play upon the sympathies of the American public - look what you've done to us. Bullfreakingpuckey - they did it to themselves. They make me sick.
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    Default Looking for Link

    In one of the recent articles or the depo, I can't remember which, Patsy (I believe) made the statement that yes, they had sued in behalf of Burke but "most of that money is in a trust fund." Someone should follow up on that statment. That money had all better be in a trust fund or the Ramseys had better have proof that it went on Burke's care or to Burke himself or they have yet another issue to deal answer for based on my (admitted little) knowledge of children's trusts. I will keep looking for the link to the statement.

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    Default everything they do is a scam

    Here is an e-mail I sent on 11-12-01



    I just looked through your website and before I donate I wish to be clear on several issues.

    What will my donation be used for? Does it pay for office space, computers, staffing? Does it go to other organizations like Missing Children?

    Who runs this organization? What are his/her qualifications?

    Are John and Patsy Ramsey directly or indirectly involved in this undertaking? Are they aware of this organization?

    Who is accountable for the monies received?

    Thanks for your response,
    Sincerely,

    Here is the e-mail response:

    , good questions and thanks for your interest. Send me your snail mail address and I will send you a brochure that will answer all your questions. Blessings,Suzanne

    It has been about 6 weeks now, I haven't heard a peep. Guess they don't really need the money...

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    Vic I think the whole thing is just a scam. Not so much to raise money but to give the appearance of caring about what happened to JonBenet. I am sure if you wrote an email to the Klaas Foundation you would get answers right away. Actually I beleive all the answers anyone could want on an organization are listed on the Klaas Foundation web site.

    It's all a shell. Made to look good from the outside but is hollow underneath...

    Tricia

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    Default Tricia

    Looks like you've got Jameson's panties in a wad. It's funny, hir gets practially rabid. Instead of answering questions in a fair way about the R's, their involvement or lack of involvement, hir's got to attack Mark Klass. She doesn't respect him or whatever stupid *** thing she said. What assine spin.

    I knew somebody like hir in highschool, they had to slam other people all the time, in every way, just to make themselves look better. Can we say "no self esteem, no compassion for others?"

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    Thumbs up Tricia... LOL

    Waded at the swamp thru hir Tricia thread.... hahahaha. You really made my day!

    Jams is really getting vicious against John Walsh...hir just wishes and spins so much because the Rams and their foundations are a joke.

    Hir just can't figure it out... you offer a reward of $100,000 dollars and claim your innocence... you'd better have that money in the bank!

    If Darnay wins his lawsuit...and Patsy is found guilty... will the Rams be in big time trouble for the bogus reward?

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    Thumbs up Excellent thread

    If Haddon owns the site, perhaps a call should be made to him at his office, inquiring in which state the ISP exists, so that the proper attorney general can be informed about what could be a case of fraud. At the least it's shameful behavior (from a group who tops themselves in that department every time out).

    Here's something to ponder: If John turns in Patsy, she goes to jail and he get to keep his reward, will she be able to demand 50% for her prison bank account? She'll need bucks if she hopes to look her best in her orange jumpsuit. I can just see her in Alicia Keys-style braids now.
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    Fedorax...maybe when Dun has a moment we can experience a wonderful picture of Patsy in her new hair style.

    I know I shouldn't go over to the swamp but I can't help it. It's like a car wreck. You swear you won't slow down and look but you always do.

    We must always remember Jammy is the Ramsey mouthpiece. I don't believe she is privvy to half of the real stuff but when the Ramseys need someone to get the word out it's her.

    Here is my final post at the swamp (I hope) about the reward money and John. I want him to know how shallow and phoney he looks with his half assed attempt at a reward for the "real killer

    ""John Ramsey WAS a multi-millionaire. You would think he would have the ethics to take the 100 thousand dollars, out of all of his millions, and put it in a fund so he would always have it. So he could keep talking about it. Everytime he is interviewed he could say: "I have a 100 thousand dollar reward to gladly hand over to someone who gives us that one tip that leads to the arrest and conviction of JonBenet's murderer"
    John Ramsey did not do that. He didn't care enough to take a fraction of his fortune and wisely put it in an account. At least it would draw interest and make the reward fund even bigger.

    Here is a thought: Why not take some of the money from their lawsuits against the tabloids and add it to the reward fund. That would have drawn some positive press and it would help to remind people the reward was still out there waiting to be claimed.

    Remember it was his own lawyer that said he didn't have the money. Flat out.

    I wish John Ramsey would tell us why he didn't make sure that reward money was kept in an account.

    What was so important that John Ramsey needed to take the money out of the reward fund? Paying for his private investigaters to look for the real killer? According to his own (former) private investigater he didn't look for the real killer, just looked for ways to keep John and Patsy out of jail.

    Candy I am sure your source is correct. I am sure I will get the same answer as well after the first of the year.

    Jameson I am sure you are correct as well. If John Ramsey needed to get his hands on 100 grand he probably could. I don't really believe the total poverty picture either than Lin Wood is painting.

    But you know what? That is not the point really.

    The day that reward money was offered, John Ramsey, being the smart business man that we know he is, should have, if he was really serious, taken that 100 grand off the top of his millions and put it safely away in a seperate account, not to be touched until the killer was found.

    Now his own lawyer is saying the money is not there anymore.

    It's just another piece of the Ramsey puzzle that makes many people believe they have something to hide.".....

    Now add to the fact that hir (the Ramseys) have the gall to attack Marc Klaas...This man is a true hero in my book. A perfect husband, father, human being??? No of course not but then nobody is. The only reason hir and the Ramseys despise Klaas is because he doesn't sugar coat things. He shoves the Ramsey's actions right up their own wazoo. They hate that!


    Since hir is now attacking a man who went through the loss of his murdered daughter, one can only hope this means the Ramsey camp is not a happy place to be these days. The nastier hir is the harder it must be going for the Ramsey's ...let's hope anyway.

    Tricia

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    Default LOL Tricia

    and LP defended Jams with... if JR had WITHDRAWN the 100,000 dollar reward he would be suspicous ....

    a multimillionaire posting a 100,000 dollar reward and yet not having the money a few years later to pay the reward, after remodeling a mansion, is far more suspicious to me.

    Two lame foundations, who have done almost nothing for anyone ... the Ramseys shouted in their book and on the talk show circuit would do great things for child victims.... well come on!

    How lame can the Ramseys get? How can you possibly believe the Rams after they said, 'they'd spend every dollar to find JonBenet's killer'? Did that include remodeling fees? and defense attorneys? and PR people for their image?

    Where's the emoticon for puking?



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