Krebs page 31 and up

Discussion in 'Justice for JonBenet Discussion - Public Forum' started by BobC, Dec 3, 2002.

  1. BobC

    BobC Poster of the EON - Fabulous Inimitable Transcript

    Ready for mo' Nancy?

    Page 31 and on...

    Having taken a break, suddenly both Lee Hill and Krebs are asking for the notes on what she'd said the day before! Nancy starts complaining how she can't remember EVERYTHING (this coming from a woman who can remember incidents that occured at age 3) and Hill agrees--Nancy needs some "anchors" so she can remember things. I am not making this up. nancy complains she has "so much stuffed in her head." No wait--the investigators

    Oh God.
     
  2. BobC

    BobC Poster of the EON - Fabulous Inimitable Transcript

    Investigators agree they need these "anchors" meaning dates, names. ect so they can verify her claims. They explain that she should stick to the abuse cases which really "stick out." Investigators admit her stories are "confusing." I'll say!

    Now apparently they are playing a tape Hill provided them and it turns out to be a recording of THE COMEDY CLUB!!! Lee Hill swears and blames himself for this error saying "Goddammit--fortunately I still have the original." Hilarious! It's good to be prepared!

    The detectives wisely advise him to bring the frikkin original next time! Makes one wonder if any editing was done--whatever this tape is.
     
  3. BobC

    BobC Poster of the EON - Fabulous Inimitable Transcript

    Important

    Trujillo tries to get back on track and says let's go back to 1990, the date of the last attack. Nancy, once again contradicting her earlier testimony, corrects T, saying that was NOT the last attack.

    Nancy says 1990 was the last time FWsr attacked her. This incident took place at granny's house in CA and was witnessed by several people.

    Nope. scratch that. Now Krebs is saying people were there, but FW Sr just asked her to go downstairs with him so you know she just went. Nancy again contradicts earlier statements by saying the grandparents weren't involved in the attacks, but simply provided a place for them to occur.

    White Sr takes pics of her and of course she has no idea what happened to the shots. She was nude in these photos.

    Says W Sr referred to her as his "little tyke" or "princess" even when she was grown up as if he "were talking to a child." I can't imagine why!
     
  4. BobC

    BobC Poster of the EON - Fabulous Inimitable Transcript

    Now W Sr has her tied up to granny's bed and is rubbing her body. Krebs describes ut as "groping." W Sr is nude and when asked if he had any distinguishing physical traits she can't recall because she was not "paying attention."

    W Sr has anal, vaginal and oral sex with her. Says he raped her anally then stuck his penis in her mouth when he ejaculated. Nancy didn't tell anybody at the time of the attack.

    Says there were more sexual assaults against her post 1990, but not by either of the Whites. Says FW sr called granny's house many times, wanting to hook up with Nancy again--even asking her to fly to Aspen. Claims this call came in Feb of 2000!!!

    Here's another priceless moment--Nancy now admits the call wasn't even to HER, that the home had two phone lines and the call was to Granny's line! Somebody was eaves-dropping! Trujillo asks if granny will release her long distance phone records to the BPD and Nancy doesn't know, and SUDDENLY Lee Hill blurts out, I swear to GOD, "I'll provide some context--she is terrified of her grandmother!" Calls poor practically bed-ridden granny a "domineering watch dog!"

    Hill really brings down the house by blurting "so there's a great deal of terror she has associated with..."
     
  5. Freebird

    Freebird Active Member

    BobC

    I don't know how you do it....... but you deserve abreak....

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  6. BobC

    BobC Poster of the EON - Fabulous Inimitable Transcript

    Very very important

    A disoriented Trujillo tries to get back on track regarding these phone calls from Aspen and Nanc says terrifying watchdog granny called FW Sr back several times.

    OMIGOD--Nancy says every time FW Sr calls Nancy would phone her therapist!! hmmmmmm--where's the wire tap? All this sexual assault is going on and nobody's bothering to alert the authorities! How very odd.

    Now Nancy is saying the dates she gave might be wrong, and maybe that FW Sr might have "skipped calling."

    Is anybody keeping track of these contradictions?
     
  7. BobC

    BobC Poster of the EON - Fabulous Inimitable Transcript

    OH GOD the next sentence, Nancy is back to FW Sr calling "several times in a row!" He wants her to come to his birthday party! Said he missed her and wanted a non-nude pic of her. FWsr wants to know if she got the envelope he mailed her, with photos of him and Goldie Hawn and a "cement czar." No I am not making any of this up!!

    Lunch break!
     
  8. BobC

    BobC Poster of the EON - Fabulous Inimitable Transcript

    Back again: Where was I? Oh yeah the cryptic package from FW Sr! Okay so the horrifying message that Goldie Hawn was at FW Sr 's New Years Eve party was enclosed! GASP! Then he says he is "devilishly good-looking!" Another vieled threat, perhaps? Then he even stoops to saying the reporter (who took the photo I guess) must have been drunk to say FW Sr was 87 years old! Will the vieled threats EVER END?!! Apparently FW Sr was actually 75.

    Anyhow--after that fascinating trip down memory lane, which incidently, had nothing whatsoever to do with anything, T moves on.

    Now T asks about sexual assault in Aspen and Nancy said FW Sr assaulted her there in the 70's. Call me crazy but I just wouldn't fly to see someone who was assaulting me but what do I know?Anyway T says that Krebs missed a lot of school in 8th and 9th grade and asks if this was at the same time as the Aspen assault, and she says maybe it was more like 6th grade. Of course the grandparents were there too in Aspen. But not the grandparent who dropped dead. He was unavailable.
     
  9. BobC

    BobC Poster of the EON - Fabulous Inimitable Transcript

    I think this is all I'm gonna do. Pointing out all the discrepancies is just crazy--there are so many. I mean after all the porn videos and nude photos and threatening letters, Nancy has failed to produce a single one. Instead she shows harmless letters and pics and weaves complex, contradictory fables around them, indicting every family member and friend who ever crossed her path. This stuff couldn't be any phonier.

    The real thing to watch in the future is how "therapist" Mary B is handled. If she is involved in bringing this obviously delusional, ill woman's story to the BPD as FACT, then one must ask why she did not act in the ten years she treated Krebs to apprehend these abusers. A simple phone tap would have closed the books on this sex ring years ago and yet that never occured. Why is this paid professional not protecting her client?

    On the other hand, maybe Bienkowski knew Krebs was making this nonsense up. If that was the case what was she doing in Boulder, backing this story up and wasting the taxpayer's money? Does anyone know if Mary B offially backed this nonsense up? This is HUGELY important. I recall Mame saying the therapist believed this crap, but did anyone actually hear Mary say this with their own ears?
     
  10. Vic

    Vic Active Member

    you know, BobC

    I don't think it is unusual for a pyschologist to believe their patients. They live in an odd world of other people's troubles and they are taught to help them, not to judge them.

    There are some really, really good liars and manipulators in therapy, Nancy sounds like one. Good liars can weave truth with fiction, the little bit of truth lends credence to the lies unless one has a stake in seperating the two. Looks a lot like Mary got screwed by believing, maybe she's not that smart or has agendas of her own. You know, man hater, cop hater, whatever.

    Your're right in giving up in finding descrepancies, it's all one big contradiction. It just makes you go HUH?
     
  11. RiverRat

    RiverRat FFJ Sr. Member Extraordinaire (Pictured at Lef

    Oh Boy

    I better keep my glasses on..........

    Pick your poison, Bob. If you stop now, we shall riot.

    It's up to you, Bob! If you talk to a stray dog.....oh wait, that's one been used before.

    Plus, I am kinda waiting for you to finish so that I can release my official statement. So far it starts something like this, "Ladies and Gentlemen, Have you ever seen a finer piece of bullsmit attached to this case?"

    RR
     
  12. BobC

    BobC Poster of the EON - Fabulous Inimitable Transcript

    That's not the issue here, Vic. My point is as a paid professional, Mary B had every moral and professional obligation to bring law enforcement into this thing if she BELIEVED these stories. At one point Krebs is calling MB everytime FW Sr called (the man who was raping her) and at another point Krebs was bringing her these "threatening packages" to open--well what happened then? Wouldn't any sane therapist call the police and hand over that stuff to the cops? If this stuff was so very incriminating, and it was turned into the cops, FW, JR, MB, the grandparents and a half million other people would be in prison! Right?

    But that hasn't happened. So we can assume MB didn't do a thing but listen to these tales for ten years. Okay--fine. If this is just a sitruation where MB knew she was delusional, and it helped Nancy's therapy to tell these whoppers, fine. Who cares?

    That being said---if MB was involved in bringing this crap to the Ramsey case then it can only mean one of two things:

    1. MB never did a thing for over a decade to help apprehend this pedophile ring. That is criminal.

    OR

    2. MB knew Krebs was making this stuff up and went along with a fraud that not only conned tax payers out of thousands of dollars, but also libeled FW, JR and God only knows who else.


    An even BIGGER question is why did John Ramsey suddenly get completely left out of the Krebs story as of the 2000 interviews? He was quite a huge part in the earlier interviews and then suddenly it's all about FW.

    hmmmmm. God I hope Fleet White is reading this.
     
  13. BobC

    BobC Poster of the EON - Fabulous Inimitable Transcript

    Is what I'm trying to say here clear?
     
  14. BobC

    BobC Poster of the EON - Fabulous Inimitable Transcript

    Moving on:

    Lee Hill, who didn't bring the right tape, now informs the cops that the latest photo of FW was "lost somewhere" in his office. Man make sure you never give this clown your originals!
     
  15. BobC

    BobC Poster of the EON - Fabulous Inimitable Transcript

    Now Nancy wants her notes on FW so her memory can be more precise! It's not clear which notes of many she's yapping about so T asks where these notes are and Lee Hill chirps "They're in my office" and offers to get them! Did this clown come prepared for anything?
     
  16. Vic

    Vic Active Member

    Yes, I see your point

    About MB reporting info if she believed what she was being told.

    But we don't really know what she was being told. Maybe she related things as "visions" or she clearly told lies. Then MB would have to try to sort out what was true and what was a lie.

    I don't know what mental health professionals are required to do by law, let alone moral standards.

    Did MB travel to Boulder with Nancy? I just don't remember. If so, then I have to agree with you that she had to have then believed these stories to be true and did nothing.

    Are they all freaking nuts???????
     
  17. BobC

    BobC Poster of the EON - Fabulous Inimitable Transcript

    Okay so Lee Hill bounds off to collect up the FW "notes" that he didn't bother to bring, and in the meantime T tries to ask Nancy about something he'd heard regarding money and the DA (I'm not implying anything here--it's just that the conversation is so incoherent I can't even tell what's being asked). Nancy says she'd rather wait and then says, cryptically, that "there's a reason I want to wait."

    And yes--you guessed it! She wants to wait due to the, well let's let Nancy herself handle this one:


    Nancy: "Because of..what I've already mentioned about there being a 75 and then a 87 written over the 75."

    Uhhh--this one oughtta be good. I can only assume she's babbling about FW Sr's age being stated incorrectly under the Goldie Hawn photo. But you know this is so frikkin random I can't be sure.
     
  18. BobC

    BobC Poster of the EON - Fabulous Inimitable Transcript

    Mutating story

    Nope--now Nancy is saying that "No, that was the amt of money that was offered to me."

    Uhhhhh is the story changing yet again?

    PS: Vic if you are treating a patient who is being raped and assaulted and in danger of being killed, yes you have an obligation to bring law enforcement into it. Remember this is NOT incriminating her patient, but her patient's abusers.

    Anyhow BACK TO THE CASE!!!

    T is mystified as to this latest change in the story and says he thought the 87 Y thing referred to FW Sr's age, not money. where does he get these crazy ideas?
     
  19. BobC

    BobC Poster of the EON - Fabulous Inimitable Transcript

    Now I see why Nancy needs her notes! LOL!

    NOW SHE IS SAYING THAT THE 87 THING WAS THE AMOUNT OF MONEY SHE WAS OFFERED TO KEEP QUIET!!! She doesn't even seem to be aware she just told a completely different story just a few pages ago!

    Nancy, in a feat of almost superhuman generosity, tells him tokeep his money and decides not to tell--FOR FREE! Good call Nancy!
     
  20. BobC

    BobC Poster of the EON - Fabulous Inimitable Transcript

    A confused T manages to stammer out a question as to whether this offer had anything to do with the Ramsey investigation! I was kinda wondering myself! But no, Nancy says it was to keep her quiet about "everything I know." ZZZZZZZZZ. I'm getting drowsy.

    T asks if she has any information on the ramsey case, you know, this being Boulder and everything. "YES I do !" says courageous nancy!
     
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