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    Default Writing DOI

    NYL asked Patsy how she wrote DOI... Her memory was fuzzy, but her publisher remembered just how the book was written:

    NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) -- In their new book about the killing of JonBenet Ramsey, the girl's parents write about people they consider suspects, including some who have not been pursued by police, the publisher said Tuesday.

    ``It's people who have been mentioned before. There will be a couple of others, but not by name,'' said Rolf Zettersten, publisher of Thomas Nelson Publishers, a Nashville-based company that specializes in books with religious themes.
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    http://www.crimelynx.com/ramsusp.html


    From Patsy's depo:


    5 Q. (By Mr. Hoffman) I will withdraw
    6 that question and ask you very simply, explain
    7 exactly how you worked with Reverend Wise on
    8 writing the book.
    9 A. Well, he would sit, and we would
    10 talk. I had some things that I had written, and
    11 sometimes he would ask questions about things.
    12 It was kind of a back and forth. Sometimes he
    13 would take something I had written and edit, and
    14 then would -- I mean, it was kind of an evolving
    15 process.
    16 Q. Did he use a tape recorder to tape
    17 any of the things you were saying?
    18 A. I believe so, yes.
    19 Q. Did you give him written notes to
    20 look at?
    21 A. I can't remember exactly. I don't --
    22 Q. Did you prepare notes for the book,
    23 written notes?
    24 A. Yes. Sometimes -- I mean, I had
    25 some things I had written and some things we
    21
    1 just talked about.
    2 Q. Did you keep copies of your notes?
    3 A. No, I did not.
    4 Q. Do you know what happened to your
    5 notes?
    6 A. They were thrown away as I finished
    7 with that part of the writing.
    8 Q. You threw them away?
    9 A. Yes.

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    Edited for compliance of "fair use."
    Last edited by JR; June 19, 2002, 12:51 am at Wed Jun 19 0:51:31 UTC 2002.
    When you defend the indefensible, you make the Ramsey's look even more guilty.....

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    Default threw away the notes

    Imagine that. Seems kind of hard to "throw away notes" from a computer. The correct description would be "deleted" when speaking about a computer.

    Could it be she's lying? (again)

    Good to see you here, Nandee, I always enjoyed your posts on WS.

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    Default Thanks Vic..

    I really enjoyed going through the depos and finding discrepancies.....

    I'd love to be in NYL's head so I knew where he was going with some of his questions..... Like Patsy's morning routine and her black robe??
    When you defend the indefensible, you make the Ramsey's look even more guilty.....

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    Default Hmmm...the publisher must be mistaken...

    The Ramseys have said that they do not own a computer...

    • ...except that John Ramsey made his modest fortune as a computer re-seller for Sun Microsystems and Silicon Graphics...

    • ...that a laptop was reported by John Ramsey as stolen by the Well-Dressed, Well-Spoken Black Gentleman Robber during the "freak-in" at the Paces Ferry house....
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    Default Dunvegan

    Right! They can't keep their stories straight!
    When you defend the indefensible, you make the Ramsey's look even more guilty.....

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    Default I've wondered about the Ramseys computer data...

    ...it is VERY difficult to really and truly "throw away" or delete data (and makes me wonder if the "freak-in" by John Ramsey's "Black Gentleman" wasn't necessary.

    Here is an excerpt from a post I wrote to the old Justice Watch forum:


    I had to take certification from an extraordinary company of highly-specialized and ex-spook/NSA/FBI/police gone geek, when I worked at Logictier last year. NTI only allows governmental agency employees, and police into this course, usually…but, because we were sponsoring the 2002 Olympic Games, had international and domestic terrorism concerns, and the Director of Security is an old friend of theirs from his NASDAQ days, they waived the law enforcement requirement so that I could take this course.

    This was under-the-hood, hand’s on, 12-hr. a day training, and it trained us not only how to get the goods, but also how to present them so that they will stand up in court.

    The company in Oregon is called NTI.

    If you’re interested you can go to HERE to see a description of what I had to learn to earn my diploma

    If the authorities correctly seize computers (and all disks and other germane electronic jetsam, analyze correctly the AOL audit trail, and carefully trace the source and destination IPs , Syn/Ack, and tracerouting…and if they also handle those machines and log files (and all other data material) of Jamz judicially, the authorities will probably have themselves an incredible gold mine (or, at least long and winding a slime line) there.

    And, with the right tools, they even know exactly where you’ve been. Here’s an excerpt from the CNN report…it’s exactly the training I went through, BTW:

      …on the third day, we apply our previous sessions to finding our diploma, which happens to be broken into pieces and buried deep in slack and unallocated space.

      “We had already learned how to use Norton's DiskEdit to view erased files; how to use NTI's Filter-I to cleanse binary information, allow us to examine plain text lurking in slack and unallocated space, and swap files; how to use TextSearch Plus to keyword search through the reams of data uncovered with Filter-I and IP-Filter; and how to use Norton's DiskEdit to piece the data together.

      “However, Anderson throws us a curve: He has encrypted the directory. Working from previous lessons, my partner, Lockheed's Best, and I found the bad guy's fileencryption cracker (hidden in a file called fun.exe) and loaded it. It did the trick.

      “Now it's time to see what we've got in the directory. A couple of files, including one deleted file (recognizable by the telltale Greek Sigma) look suspect to us, so we make a note of them. When we run Filter-I to view plaintext lingering on unallocated space, we see the word "diploma" on a few headers of what are obviously zipped files. We word search the rest of the file allocation table for the word "diploma."


    NTI was tough, but good. To get our diplomas, we were given an erased floppy, that had an erased messages encrypted protected by passwords. We had to restore the floppy, and source the writer to get our diplomas.

    Recovered electronic records have lead to many conviction (even in murder cases.) The delete button doesn’t do anything other than dissociate the files and their directory listings. And that's elementary easy to recover, because almost all the clues are in the first string of the "erased file".

    Erased files are (unless overwritten, and that's not impossible, just a harder recovery task) just sitting there, leaving open their sector space of overwrite, if needed. And, the NSA, can recover data, even if you take an industrial strength magnet to your hard drive.

    There’s Netscape and other application caches full of information on where you’ve visited…windows “slack space” that holds unmarked data for a very long time and can be read with the training and the right tools most easily. Here are just a few of the places that, with the right tools, you can recover almost all data:

    1. Windows swap files
    2. MD5 algorithms for validating transaction and pinpointing exactly who did what and when.
    3. Data hiding technique recovery
    4. …and lot’s more on the NTI page if you take a peek.
    Information on your computer is (even the crashed or erased stuff) is still right there...you just have to know how to go in and get it.

    Even if the file is fragmented, the doc headers plus sector analysis give you enough hexadecimal and integration information to entirely reconstruct the original document.

    This is an excellent article who took the course, and wrote for CNN Interactive: Deborah Radcliff.

    It’s called “Handling Crime in the 21st Century,” and well outlines the workings of what NTI teaches: http://www.cnn.com/TECH/computing/98...idg/index.html

    BTW, Lockheed uses NTI to cover their computer forensics and data recovery services now…starting in early of 1997. Interesting.
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    Default Wow

    Great post!!! Thanks!!
    When you defend the indefensible, you make the Ramsey's look even more guilty.....

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    Default BTW...there's a company in Germany...

    ...that does data retrievals that have been working on hard drives found in the rubble of the WTC.

    Although incredibly punished, this firm is retrieving upwards of 90% of the data on the hard drives (!)

    Which is part of the investigation into the spike in trading shorted shares of American and United Airlines just before the attacks.

    Really amazing restorative effort (...now, if I can only find the article...I'll post it.)

    Methinks that if there was anything at all incriminating on a certain laptop, then a certain person was incredibly lucky to have such a nice, well-dressed robber relieve him of the problem.
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    Default lol

    Me thinks you're right!
    When you defend the indefensible, you make the Ramsey's look even more guilty.....

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    Default Ok

    Patsy and John don't own a computer...

    except when they write DOI.

    They write DOI on a computer they don't own and ...

    Patsy throws away the notes..

    but like Dun pointed out that would really be "deleted the notes"

    Great catch Nandee.

    For arguments sake let's say Patsy did keep notes, on paper, while writing the book.

    Wouldn't you think, with an on-going investigation into "that childs" murder Patsy would keep her notes to help her own memory? HELLO!!!!

    If this didn't involve the brutal death of a wonderful child this would be laughable.

    Nandee so glad you are here.

    Dun I it when you talk that fancy computer talk. I feel smart just reading it!

    Tricia

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    Default Maybe they borrowed

    the computer from the JonBenet Foundation? lol

    The foundation has very little activity going on... and hey why waste a good pc?

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    Default Hahaha

    That's funny, Show Me. But then what would Susan Stine use to help Jams run the Swamp? ;-)



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