Insulting

Discussion in 'Justice for JonBenet Discussion - Public Forum' started by Tricia, Apr 20, 2003.

  1. Tricia

    Tricia Administrator Staff Member

    National Enquirer had a story on the Ramsey's this week that included "new" evidence..yeah right.

    This spin is down right insulting to anyone with a functioning brain stem.

    Thanks to the sleuths at Purgatory for starting the thought process on this.

    Page 15 from Judge Carnes report:

    Finally, items were left behind that defendants assert they did not own. (Defs.' Br. In Supp. Of Summ. J. (67] at 18-19.) A baseball bat not owned by the Ramsey's found on the north side of the house has fibers consistent with fibers found in the carpet in the basement where JonBenet's body was found. (SMF 185; PSMF 185. ) A rope was found inside a brown paper sack in the guest bedroom of defendants' home, neither of which belonged to defendants. (SMF 181; PSMF 181.) Small pieces of the brown sack material were found in the "vacuuming" of JonBenet's bed and in the body bag that was used to transport her body. (SMF 181; PSMF 181. ) Brown cotton fibers on JonBenet's body, the paintbrush, the duct tape and on the ligature were not sourced and do not match anything in the Ramsey home. (SMF 181; PSMF 181. )

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    "A baseball bat not owned by the Ramsey's found on the north side of the house has fibers consistent with fibers found in the carpet in the basement where JonBenet's body was found."

    First nowhere does it say this bat contains any evidence that it was used in the crime. All it says to me, if true, that the bat was once in the basement. BIG DEAL. Anyone with young kids go outside and look on your lawn like I did. I have found two stuffed bunnies, a baseball bat, yes a baseball bat and tennis balls that don't belong to me. They belong to the other kids in the neighborhood.

    Did the Ramsey's high priced P.I.'s ever try and find out who the bat belonged to or am I being wacky and I should just assume it was brought in by the intruder? To do what? Wasn't used in the crime. Besides didn't our intruder have a stun gun? What did he need the bat for? Wouldn't it be kind of hard to slip in the window with that big bat?

    Guys take this for what it is. Ramsey spin. Nowhere is this linked to the crime. NOWHERE. This is junk. Junk that an idiot judge bought.

    More:

    A rope was found inside a brown paper sack in the guest bedroom of defendants' home, neither of which belonged to defendants.

    Oh NO NOT A ROPE....FOR THE LOVE OF GOD NOT A ROPE.

    Come on. Does it say this rope even matched the rope around JBR's neck? How about fingerprints? Any found on the bag or the rope? Once again it's just crap. They have not tied it to the crime at all. So big deal. They have a paper bag with rope. Whoopee. Doesn't mean jack and they know it.

    Why do I have a feeling when the Ramsey family cooks spaghetti Patsy throws it on the wall to see what will stick?

    Even more:

    Small pieces of the brown sack material were found in the "vacuuming" of JonBenet's bed and in the body bag that was used to transport her body.

    Good Lord these desperate for an intruder people have got to be kidding. Once again how is this linked to the crime? Was the paper matched to anything in the house? Did they check? I bet they didn't. Also can you imagine what they would come up with if they vacuumed your kids or my kid's bed? YIKES. I would hope that pieces of brown bag would be it. I think they might find whole colonies of aliens living in my son's bed. Once again. BIG DEAL. This says nothing about the murderer.

    Even more more:

    Brown cotton fibers on JonBenet's body, the paintbrush, the duct tape and on the ligature were not sourced and do not match anything in the Ramsey home. (SMF 181; PSMF 181. )

    Now if I remember correctly the Ramsey's turned over what they were wearing that night about a YEAR LATER.. Ok little bit of problem with a chain of evidence. Also did someone bother to check all the clothing in the house? Were all of John, Burkes, and Patsy's clothing even looked at? Silly me. Being so picky and all. Let's remember Patsy's wonderful beaver hair boots that never made it in for testing. How many cotton fibers? Are we talking six, a thousand? What?

    Once again a red herring that is easily explained away.

    It is so transparent. So down right insulting that it's unbelievable.
     
  2. AK

    AK Member

    Excellent commentary, T

    Next time you have your boyfriend Lin on the line, lol, ask him to clarify just what he meant about Darnay Hoffman and find out whether he induced Hoffman to abandon his case. I'd like to know how many requests for sanctions I need to send to the state bars. It is "Leroy Lincoln," right, not the other way around?

    Meanwhile, I happened across this article that harkens back to better times...

    The STAR - Dec. 25, 2001

    JonBenet: An Open Letter to Mom and Dad…from Geraldo Rivera in war-torn Afghanistan

    Even though Geraldo Rivera went to war-torn Afghanistan to report on the downfall of terrorist mastermind Osama Bin Laden, the intrepid newsman couldn’t ignore the fifth anniversary of JonBenet Ramsey’s brutal Christmas night slaying.

    Until the tragedy of Sept. 11, no other case has touched him as deeply. Rivera has played a key role in the fight to bring JonBenet’s killer to justice since 1996, and refuses to give up now.

    With that in mind, he has asked STAR to send this open letter to the pageant princess’ parents, John and Patsy Ramsey, in the hope that they might shed new light on this terrible mystery.

    Dear John and Patsy Ramsey,

    Your lives changed forever on Dec. 26, 1996, when the body of your 6-year-old beauty queen daughter JonBenet was found strangled, beaten and sexually molested in the basement of your Boulder, Colo., mansion. Nearly five years later there have been no arrests, and while you deny involvement, cops still consider you under the “umbrella of suspicion.â€

    I’m outraged that JonBenet’s killer has not been brought to justice and can’t understand how anyone could harm an innocent kid. As the father of two little girls, Isabella, 9, and Simone, 7, I know the joy of reading them stories, hearing them giggle, watching them grow – all the things you’ll never be able to do with your daughter. Whether or not you were responsible for JonBenet’s death – and I pray to God you weren’t – I have no doubt you miss her greatly.

    You declined invitations to be interviewed by STAR magazine and to come on my show to help clear your names. Now, even though I’m thousands of miles away, this case remains close to my heart. I’d come back in an instant if I thought you’d answer these questions:

    *If, as you claim, this was a kidnapping gone awry, why was a ransom note left along with her body? And why was she washed down, redressed, and tenderly wrapped in her favorite blanket?

    *Why do so many experts believe the ransom note handwriting matches Patsy’ writing, and why were Patsy’ pen and note pad used?

    *Did you two go to bed that Christmas night, and if so, why was Patsy still wearing her same clothes and full makeup when the police arrived the next morning?

    *You both insist JonBenet was asleep when you brought her home from a party and put her to bed, so why was pineapple found in her digestive system? There was none served at the party, and a bowl of it was found in your home. Was she awake with you at some point, or did this crazy killer stop and serve her a snack?

    *How did fibers from Patsy’s jacket get on the inside, sticky side of the duct tape that was placed over JonBenet’s mouth?

    *Why did you tell cops your son Burke was asleep when you called 911, only to admit later that wasn’t true?

    *You’ve passed self-sponsored lie detector tests, so why refuse to take polygraphs administered by the FBI, the agency most experienced in handling this kind of case?

    *Why did it take you four months to give a formal interview to police?

    *John says you’ve spent a fortune on private investigators, but even after the tabloids offered million-dollar rewards, no real leads have come forward. What do you account for the lack of progress?

    *Finally, why has this phantom killer escaped capture? Is this criminal mastermind so brilliantly devious, or just plan lucky? Why did he leave so few clues and so little DNA? And why hasn’t JonBenet’s killer struck before or since?

    The ransom note author claimed to be part of a “small foreign faction,†but I believe President Bush will have more luck in his battle against terrorism than you’ll have finding your so-called perp.

    Prove me wrong, John and Patsy. If you’re ready to talk, I’m ready to listen! When I get back from Afghanistan, I’ll meet with you. Together, let’s find justice for JonBenet.

    Yours truly,
    Geraldo Rivera
     
  3. Watching You

    Watching You Superior Bee Admin

    Remember the baseball bat

    Burke was holding in one of the pictures of him and JonBenet? There was at least one picture, and Burke looked as if he had a black eye in the picture. What's that? You say the bat found lying beside the house as if someone slung it there and left it wasn't the same bat? This calls for SuperSmit and his handy dandy magnifying glass!!

    What do you mean, Burke never left his stuff lying around? That's not what the housekeeper said. Oh, that's right, can't believe that b!tch, now, can we. Afterall, a picture of a girl who looked like her daughter (according to the skank at the swamp) appeared on the Internet in a pornographic situation thanks to the outstanding defective work of SuperSkank, owner of the LittleHead forum who is also responsible for single-handedly damaging the reputations (hir thinks, heh) of many other innocent people while publicly supporting a child-molesting baby killer. No, not them, I mean Westerfield.

    The most damning thing for both the RST and journalists who write stories like this is that all this alleged new evidence isn't new at all, and it isn't evidence of anything except that the Ramseys have denied owning items that were inside that house that would point to the killer of JBR.

    What amazes me is that anyone would expect the Ramseys to admit the items were theirs - afterall, to do so would be akin to a confession that they were involved in the murder of their child.

    Every one of the items of which the Ramseys claim not to have knowledge and were not found elsewhere inside the house is being used as evidence of an intruder. I'll tell you what else it's evidence of - that evidence went out the door with the Ramseys the day after Christmas while their dead daughter lie underneath the Christmas tree in their home. Pockets, a purse, under a coat - nobody frisked the Ramseys for anything - they were allowed to leave with whatever they had on them. That makes more sense to me than an intruder who was in the house for hours yet left nothing behind of himself.

    No fingerprints, so he must have worn gloves. But, wait, there is a handprint. Must have taken the gloves off.

    No hair. Must have been bald. But, wait, there is a underbelly hair. A what? You heard me - an underbelly hair. What's an underbelly hair? Got me. Must be a cross between a belly hair and a pubic hair. Well, I thought that belonged to one of the Ramsey daughters. Nah, it's the intruder's hair. Forget the fact there have been a zillion people in and out of that house. That hair belonged to the intruder. Just because. Don't argue.

    A packing peanut - this is the best one, yet. A packing peanut that must have gotten knocked off the window sill when the intruder entered the house through the basement window. Or was it when he was leaving? But, wait. There was a door open upstairs and 15000 windows unlocked. Why was the door open? It was December in Colorado. It was cold outside. How could it be there was a door open in the vicinity where Patsy waltzed down those stairs and JR got down on his knees in his underwear, and no one felt the cold air coming in? Hello? Oh, wait. This is a fairy tale, I forgot. Anything can happen in a fairy tale, right? Okay, now I get it.

    Now, look, Defective Smit came down that window well and slithered around and contorted himself to get into that basement window. So, we're back to the basement window again, I see. Well, yes. Why would an intruder use an unlocked door? Come on, use your head. The RST tells us, even shows us pictures of that window sill, and by God, it's disturbed, I tell you, disturbed. This clown leaves a HiTec shoe print in the room where JB's body was discovered, but he didn't leave anything when he dropped down into that window well, and he didn't make footprints across the basement floor from the dust and debris he collected on his feet and his butt and clothing and hair from that filthy window well. Shut up, I told you this is a fairy tale, don't you get it, yet?

    And, what about that suitcase? Well, what did you think it was there for? The kidnapper was going to fold JB up and put her in that suitcase and take her out that basement window, but, see, she wouldn't cooperate. Forget the open door upstairs, an open door he could have carried her out and into the night. This is a fairy tale, and he had to do the impossible, because that's what fairy tales are, right?

    Well, then. This little fairy tale is becoming a nightmare, because the inturder can't get JB folded up little enough to put her in that suitcase, so anyone who happens to come by while the inturder is pulling the suitcase out of that window well can just say he's got a plane to catch. Nosirree. Gonna have to rethink this.

    Well, sheeeiiiiitttt. What's an intruder to do? Wait. He didn't need the shoelaces in his sneakers, anyway. And, that paintbrush handle ought to do the trick. He's so very clever, this kidnapper about to turn killer. What the he11, a little trophy won't hurt after all this work. Oh, so THAT's where the other end of the paintbrush went - the intruder took it with him so he could fantasize about that night. Jams was right all along...

    Ya know what? This story is getting boring, just like the Ramsey spin. Although I don't agree with the spin, I certainly understand their need to do it. After all, but for the spin, someone might have been arrested for this crime long ago.
     
  4. BobC

    BobC Poster of the EON - Fabulous Inimitable Transcript

    Just because the Ramseys SAY the rope and bat doesn't belong to them doesn't mean it's true. Remember the "mysterious bear" that they didn't own, and the lock on their back door that was broken by the intruder? It turned out Jonbenet owned the "mysterious bear" and several people pointed out the busted lock to Patsy long before the murder. People like Lou Smit brandish this kind of fake evidence like a sword, and the media reports on it, but when the police expose these lies Lou Snmit just moves on and pretends like the whole thing never happened.

    We will go on like this forever. It'll be one new "suspect" after another, thousands of more dollars will be spent, and the Ramseys will sit back and laugh.
     
  5. BobC

    BobC Poster of the EON - Fabulous Inimitable Transcript

    And another thing, a couple of years ago in an unrelated robbery attempt, an intruder snuck into the Ramsey's house and beat the crap out of John "macho man" Ramsey, and tied him up like a plump hog. Why did the Ramsey's, once again, not have a burglar alarm on? There they were on televison, chuckling about this incident, and I was thinking these people sure have a cavalier attitude about it when their daughter was supposedly murdered by an intruder a few years before.

    Plus Burke goes everywhere without a body guard--and not once, ANYWHERE, have we heard the Ramseys express concern that the foriegn faction might strike again. In fact, I've never once heard them even mention the foriegn faction post murder.

    The foriegn faction is the dead elephant in the middle of the living room. The ransom note is quite clear. All this yammering about jealous friends and pedophiles and old men in dirty book stores, but nobody wants to talk about what is clearly stated in the ransom note.
     
  6. Tricia

    Tricia Administrator Staff Member

    Remember how Wood jumped in like an angry wolverine when Kane tried to question Patsy about Burke's safety?

    In the Atlanta interviews Kane was trying to ask Patsy about the precautions they took for Burke since a "small forgien faction" had killed their daughter in their own home while everyone slept.

    Patsy wasn't allowed to answer it because Wood stopped Kane.

    What are we missing? How come nobody in Colorado is doing anything about this Circus? This whole thing is just like the title of this thread; "INSULTING".
     
  7. Vic

    Vic Active Member

    You know what I'd love to see?

    The news video of Patsy Ramsey leaving the house the day they found JB's body.

    I remember seeing her with her coat (and I think it was a fur coat - beaver?) and it was up over her head.

    The first thing I thought was "she did it".

    Anyone else remember this? Is there any way to get the tape?

    Oh yeah, I'm insulted too....
     
  8. Watching You

    Watching You Superior Bee Admin

    Right, Vic

    and Patsy owned fur boots, too, some say they were beaver fur boots. I know, because I saw a picture of her in one of the tabs wearing those fur boots. Liars.
     
  9. Tez

    Tez Member

    Don't forget the palm print

    outside the wineroom door that was leaked (yes Jameson, I used the word leaked, thank you for reminding me) as to belonging to Melinda. Everyone for years, (I think Smitty even still says) has spouted that is evidence of an intruder!

    The bat has no connection to this murder IMHO, it was just out in the yard. If it was the weapon, don't ya think it would have more than a carpet fiber from inside the basement on it?
     
  10. Voyager

    Voyager Active Member

    Tez....

    If the bat had been the murder weapon, cetainly there would have been more than carpet fibers on it! What are these detectives thinking of?
     
  11. BobC

    BobC Poster of the EON - Fabulous Inimitable Transcript

    Yeah. The intruder opened the door, threw the bat out, but didn't bother to go out it with JBR--you know, like to get the ransom money.

    Only an IDIOT would believe this bullchit.
     
  12. LurkerXIV

    LurkerXIV Moderator

    Excellent repudiations.....

    of Crazy Carnie's ridiculous statement. No wonder she arrived at a determination that an intruder was "probably" responsible. The woman has an illogical mind and circuitous reasoning based on fallacious presumptions.

    You have all covered the major points quite well.

    I can only add a word about "paper sack" bits being found in the body bag. The investigators usually put brown paper bags over the deceased's hands in order to preserve fingernail evidence. So that's where that came from.

    And --Vic--so true....when is the last time you ever saw an innocent person cover up their face as they were led away from a crime scene? I've been reading about crime cases for sixty years now, and never....not on the front page of the NY Daily News, not in any newsmagazine, not on any TV broadcast--NEVER have I seen an INNOCENT person do what Patsy did that day. Only the dastardly perps do that.
     
  13. Tricia

    Tricia Administrator Staff Member

    Glad you reminded me. I think I have a copy of Patsy running from the house with her fur coat over her head. I think. Let me look.
     
  14. Vic

    Vic Active Member

    Cool!

    I would so love to see that one again.

    That's what I thought too, Lurker. Only the guilty....
     
  15. Tricia

    Tricia Administrator Staff Member

    I don't have it. Let me check with a couple of other people.

    The problem is this was really the first video we ever saw in the case. It showed Patsy coming out of the house with her fur coat over her head. The only people I have seen do this are mob figures on the way to court. Think about it. Can you name one time you have ever seen someone cover up their face other than a person on trial for a crime? Or a person being followed by the media becuae of their involvment in something shady.

    I'll keep looking.

    Tricia
     
  16. AK

    AK Member

    Fur coat over her head?

    I don't remember seeing that image at all. Fwiw...
     
  17. Tricia

    Tricia Administrator Staff Member

    Fedorax I swear it was the first piece of video. Showing the Ramsey's leaving their house. The cameras were outside the home. Patsy came out with her coat over her head. It looked like a fur coat. I remember it so well because I couldn't figure out why this mother was doing this.

    Still looking.
     
  18. AK

    AK Member

    As if I don't hate her enough...

    Now I learn she's a fur wearer!!!

    I don't doubt that you saw it -- I just can't recall it. But BobC recently posted a closeup of Patsy's face where she was holding her head and seeming to scream, and I had never seen that before either. (Or did you PhotoShop that, BobC?)
     
  19. BobC

    BobC Poster of the EON - Fabulous Inimitable Transcript

    what picture?

    I have no idea what you're talking about.
     
  20. Watching You

    Watching You Superior Bee Admin

    Yup

    Patsy most certainly did leave that house wearing a fur coat. I saw it, too. I read about it somewhere, too, but can't remember where.
     
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