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    well what about garroting? is that bad?

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    Default Murdered child's last days

    By Louise Milligan
    May 23, 2003

    JUST hours before she was murdered by her mother, Laura Folbigg frolicked around a backyard pool wearing floaties like any toddler enjoying the last gasp of summer.

    The home video of the 19-month-old Laura was one of the glimpses into the bizarre life of Kathleen Folbigg shown to the jury that found her guilty of killing her four young children, but until now kept from the public.

    Folbigg, 35, from Singleton in the NSW Hunter Valley, was convicted on Wednesday of three counts of murder, one of maliciously inflicting grievous bodily harm and one of manslaughter.

    The NSW Supreme Court jury found she smothered Caleb, 19 days, Patrick, eight months, Sarah, 10 months, and Laura, 19 months, one by one over a decade.
    ...snip

    Perhaps even more chilling are the photographs of Laura and Sarah's empty bedrooms, showing a cheery Wiggles bedspread and a pair of sandals never to be worn again.

    Also in the exhibits are the diaries in which Folbigg documented the "dark moods" and "battle of wills" the prosecution said drove her to kill her children.
    ...snip

    The diaries seem innocuous, covered in teddybears and cherubic children, but they contain those now infamous words, "Obviously I'm my father's daughter", referring to her murderer natural father, Thomas John Britton.

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    Default Mother 'stopped babies breathing'

    A mother squeezed her babies' chests and blocked their noses until they died, a court was told.

    Qualified pharmacist Trupti Patel, 35, appeared before Reading Crown Court accused of murdering her daughter Mia, aged 22 days, and her sons Jamie, aged 15 days, and Amar, aged three months.
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    Opening the case against Mrs Patel, prosecuting counsel Paul Dunkels QC said: "For a mother to kill her own children in this way is against nature and instinct as we would normally understand it.
    ...snip

    An examination of Mia's body was carried out at Great Ormond Street Mr Dunkels said that after her death her body was transferred to Great Ormond Street Hospital in London so she could be fully examined.

    The court was told pathologists found she had a number of fractures to her ribs which were consistent with being squeezed by an adult.

    The two pathologists who carried out a post-mortem examination on Mia found evidence consistent with a prolonged episode of interrupted breathing causing a reduction in the supply of oxygen to the body.

    Mr Dunkels said that no natural cause had been identified to explain the deaths of Amar, Jamie and Mia but that there were features in all three cases which indicated that someone had obstructed the breathing of each baby.

    "Intention to kill"

    He said the presence of Mrs Patel was the "compelling factor" in each of the three deaths.

    He added: "This mother for some reason felt compelled to attack her babies.

    "We cannot say why she went against all the natural instincts of a mother but we suggest that the evidence will show that each time she must have in some way obstructed the breathing of her babies, whether by squeezing the baby's chest or placing something over the baby's nose and mouth or both, taking each of them to the very edge that divides life and death.

    "Her intention must have been to kill or cause really serious bodily harm to her babies."
    ...snip

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    well what about garroting? is that bad?

    BobC... sadly,it would appear not....

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    Default I remember

    when I was a little girl how people would talk in hushed tones about the mental hospitals that were in operation then. They were horrid things, and anyone could be committed on the word of a relative of anyone who simply wanted to be rid of someone. They used to talk about electric shock treatment and how bad they were.

    They've done away with those kinds of mental hospitals around here, maybe throughout NYS, I don't know. I only know that these days, there are no facilities around here for long-term mental patients. The old mental hospitals are gone, and there is only a wing in the city hospitals for a three-day stay for people who have done weird things and need to be evaluated. I don't know where they go after that if they really need long-term care, but I do know that most of them are let back on the streets with cautions to "take your medicine."

    No one would ever want those kinds of hospitals back - they truly were horrid and if you weren't mentally ill when you went in there, you probably were by the time you were let out. There are half-way houses all over the place - homes where mental patients live, free to wander the city during the days.

    Does it seem like there are an awfully lot of crazies out there? I can't remember when I was young hearing such terrible stories of parents killing their kids. In fact, I never heard of such a thing then. Is it because people put their mentally ill away before they could harm someone, then?

    I don't know the answers, but there are a lot of nuts running loose today, killing their babies and doing other crazy things. Seems that we as a society should be paying more attention to the mentally ill, stepping in before they commit these horrid crimes. We have failed miserably at getting these people off the streets. In fact, we have put them back on the streets. Is it any wonder we're having so many unfit mentally ill parents killing their kids?
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    IMHO, no one steps up to being accountable for their own actions these days. It's too easy to chalk their misdeeds up to a bad childhood or bad boss or bad life or whatever and get someone to write them a script for those meds you are talking about WY.

    As a society, we ignore the problem because it's cheaper to fill those prescriptions than to address the problem. Can you imagine insurance companies and HMO's approving long term care for the mentally ill when doctor's practically have to write a dissertation to keep a critical care patient in the hospital one more day? Ah...don't get me started here.
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    Default True, that, JR

    and I firmly believe there are so many spoiled and damaged adults because when they were growing up, they never had to face any consequences for their actions. Jr got caught using drugs? That's okay, mom and dad smoke the bong, too. Go buy him a car. Little sister's got bad grades? Hell, buy her a car, too. Jr got caught robbing a convenience store? Give him probation and seal his records. Little sister got caught shoplifting? Deny it.

    I realize there are many responsible parents who do teach their kids there are consequences for their actions, both legal and otherwise, and I know there are a lot of kids who get the crap knocked out of them by their parents on a regular basis. Parents who do NOT teach their kids consequences for their actions damage their kids in another way. These kids grow up thinking they are entitled to do whatever they want with no consequences for their actions. There are a few of these posting at another foum that really has me disgusted right now, more than usual. They say and do whatever they want with no regard to the consequences for their victims or themselves.

    It starts with their parents. Give your kid everything he wants no matter what his behavior is, and you've got yourself a future adult who thinks the world owes him. No wonder the world is so messed up.
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    Default Father Missing After Two Children Found Dead

    Children Found Dead In Beds

    POSTED: 11:56 a.m. PDT May 30, 2003
    UPDATED: 12:04 p.m. PDT May 30, 2003

    SAN DIEGO -- The father of two slain children remained missing Friday, and police believed he was in Santa Cruz County, possibly near the tiny coastal community of Davenport.

    Authorities briefly closed coastal Highway 1 near Davenport on Friday morning, after they found the 1987 Ford Taurus of Jose Jesus Zacarias. The 38-year-old Santa Clara resident, last seen Thursday afternoon, was the stay-at-home caregiver for his children, 3-year-old Nicholas and 9-year-old Harmony.

    Kim Zacarias found her children around 5:30 p.m. Thursday, dead in their beds. A detective described the blood-spattered scene as "gruesome" and "brutal."

    Authorities searched for clues near the coast and in Santa Clara. California Highway Patrol dispatched a helicopter late Friday morning to search the shrub-covered mountains and rugged cliffs near the Pacific Ocean.
    ...snip

    Santa Clara police have not named Zacarias as a suspect, but Sgt. Steve Bauer called him a "person of interest" in the killings. Witnesses reported seeing Zacarias with the boy earlier in the day.
    ...snip

    The children appeared to have been strangled, Bauer said. Another police spokesman, Det. Jerry Rodriguez, later described the children's deaths only as "unnatural" but declined to comment on whether any weapons were found at the scene.

    Zacarias, was believed to have connections in Mexico, north of Santa Rosa and in San Diego County.

    "He's at the top on our list because he was the last one seen with the children," Rodriguez said.
    ...snip

    Anyone with information about Zacarias' whereabouts was asked to call the Santa Clara Police Department.

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    Default Father Kills Three Kids, Hangs Himself at Ala. Home

    Saturday, May 31, 2003

    GADSDEN, Ala. — A father apparently upset over marital problems killed his three children and hanged himself early Saturday in rural northeastern Alabama, authorities said.
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    Investigators found the couple's children -- Brandon, 10, Ashley, 8, and Katherine, 4 -- dead in their beds, he said. The mother told police she had thought they were only sleeping.

    "In my 31 years of law enforcement, I've never seen a more gruesome crime scene against children than I saw today," Hayes said. He would not say how the children were killed.

    The couple was having marital problems and had been discussing divorce, Hayes said.
    ...snip

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    Default When Moms Go Bad

    Protecting Children From Abusive or Neglectful Parents: Is the Best Course Jail Time or Parental Boot Camp?

    By Bryan Robinson

    June 2— Children today are warned against potential kidnappers, school shootings and TV violence, among other things. But what's to protect them from … their parents?

    The need is clear following a string of odd child negligence and abuse cases in recent weeks:

    A mother in Pomona, Calif., on May 24 allegedly put her 2-year-old daughter inside an active, coin-operated public laundry washer...snip

    A mother in Macomb Township, Mich., allegedly left her 12-day-old baby in the back seat of her car last Monday as she slept off a night of drinking in her apartment. She faces child abuse charges.

    A woman in Oakland County, Mich., has been accused of starving her 10-year-old son for days as punishment for being disrespectful. Prosecutors have filed a neglect petition against her.

    And in Georgia, a 21-month-old boy is fighting for his life after his mother left him alone in a hot car as she claimed to be taking packages into her home...snip

    Charges have been filed in all these cases, which are far too common in the United States. According to the most recent statistics by Health & Human Services' Administration for Children and Families', approximately 903,000 children nationwide were victims of abuse or neglect in 2001. The data, collected by the National Child Abuse and Neglect Data System, estimated that 12.4 of every 1000 children in the United States were victims of abuse or neglect.

    But is fear of prosecution and the threat of losing custody to child welfare services the best way to save children from neglect and abuse? Not according to some experts, who argue the best way protect children is to first protect the parents.

    "Parents can get so overwhelmed," said Gloria Rodriguez, founder and National President of AVANCE Inc. Family Support and Education Program in San Antonio, Texas. "In a lot of these crimes, where you find parents doing things like leaving children in the car, the parents are experiencing various stresses in their life where they've either lost their husband or their job or their trying to hold a job while raising their child alone and all these things affect the way they would parent.

    Added Rodriquez: "It's an overload.They're in need of an outlet; they need a group to talk to."

    No Parent — Or Child — Is Immune

    While there are some distinctions — most violence abuse cases involve younger parents, while parents in their mid-30s are more likely to neglect their children — child abuse neglect cases involve parents of all races, age, gender, education and economic status.

    Experts agree all parents can become overwhelmed, or suffer substance abuse and mental health problems, leaving them prone to neglect or abuse their children.

    And in some abuse and negligence cases, parents simply may not have learned responsible guardian skills, either from their own parents, peers, or counselors. Some abusive or neglectful parents may have been abused themselves and learned their behavior.
    ...snip

    Preemptive Abuse Measures

    One way to protect children may be to teach parents to protect themselves and deal with their stress more effectively, experts say. Parents must recognize when they are overwhelmed and admit to it early so they can prevent abuse and negligence.

    "First they must recognize the stress, admit to it, and get help. They must recognize it early because that's key to really preventing something from happening," said David Burton, assistant professor in the School of Social Work at the University of Michigan-Ann Arbor. "Second, take time out for yourself, as long as you know the child is safe. Third, ask of help from someone, whether it be a neighbor, grandparents, partners, friends — anyone who's available."

    Teachers also need to be trained look for signs of imminent abuse, Burton added. While teachers are adept at reporting abuse, they may not know how to detect warning signs.

    Couples should also learn to talk about their parenting strategies, he said, and to learn how to communicate with their children, especially if they are troublesome or difficult.
    ...snip

    Ignorance may have been behind the case of Tarajee Maynor, who locked her 3-year-old son and 10-month-old daughter in her car on an 86-degree day in Michigan last June while she shopped and got her hair done. The two children later died from the heat exposure.

    The mother awaits trial on felony murder charges, but says she did not mean to kill her children and did not realize they could die under such circumstances.

    And Maynor is still fighting for her parental rights — she was pregnant at the time of her arrest last year and gave birth to a third child in January. Prosecutors have found no previous instances of abuse or neglect, although she did plead guilty in 1999 to stealing more than $15,000 in jewelry from her employer.
    ...snip

    Rehabilitating Parents

    Isolated instances of abuse and neglect do not necessary mean that the parent is unsalvageable and should have their children taken from them, experts say. A solution that's best for both the parent and the child's safety must be reached, they add.
    ...snip

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    Default Mom arrested after baby found beheaded

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    June 11 2003 at 02:03PM


    A 30-year-old woman was arrested on Wednesday after her mother found the woman's six-month-old baby beheaded and gutted in her room in Modimolle, Limpopo police said.

    Captain Malesela Ledwaba said police were summoned after the grandmother found her granddaughter's headless body. The girl's intestines had also been removed during the night.
    ...snip

    Ledwaba described the scene as particularly gruesome.
    ...snip

    The woman's allegedl motive for slaughtering the child and ripping out her intestines was not known and she appeared to be catatonic. - Sapa


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    Default Witnesses say mother tossed two children into river, one missing

    Posted on Sat, Jul. 05, 2003

    ST. PAUL - Witnesses told police that a 24-year-old mother threw her two small children from a bridge into the Mississippi River and then jumped in herself.

    Rescuers saved the mother and one of her children. Police continued to search for the second child on Saturday, but authorities presumed the child was dead.

    According to police, at about 9 p.m. Friday many witnesses saw the St. Paul mother throw the two children - believed to be 1-year-old twins - from the Wabasha Street Bridge into the Mississippi River. The mother then jumped from the bridge into the river.
    ...snip

    Police searched the river but couldn't locate the second child.

    The rescued child was listed in stable condition Saturday at Regions Hospital in St. Paul.

    The mother was in custody at the same hospital where she was being treated for injuries.
    ...snip


    "We saw a baby floating in the water," she said. "Nobody was doing anything and my husband just jumped in."
    ...snip

    Mac said the woman said "Let me go" and appeared to resist when the rescuers tried to pull her to safety.


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