The NK interview tapes

Discussion in 'Justice for JonBenet Discussion - Public Forum' started by Watching You, Jun 4, 2003.

  1. Watching You

    Watching You Superior Bee Admin

    I finally got to actually sit down and read the transcript. Mame and her google girls are BUSTED. Even when I wrote the previous post on another thread, I hadn't finished reading the transcript, but I did last night, and mame and morgan and mary99 and whoever else those phoney hats at the swamp are have got some explaining to do.

    Everyone should be picking up this one question and taking it to every JBR forum there is on the Internet. Why have the google girls been floating the information that NK wasn't sure who "Uncle Johnny" was. There is page after page of NK naming, in no uncertain terms, John Ramsey as one of her abusers. She announced in vivid details the things he did to her, and she stated time and again that it was John Ramsey.

    I don't believe her. She had John Ramsey abusing her together with Fleet White way back in the 70's. She called him Uncle Johnny, and she absolutely positively identified him as John Ramsey, not once, not twice, but several times.

    I have been witness to all kinds of deceit in my time, but this takes the cake, IMO. All these years mame and her criminal accomplices have been pushing their FW is a pedophile/murderer propaganda on everyone, attacking and slashing like madwomen anyone who gets in their way.

    <b>WHY?</b> Mame et al owe every one of us an explanation as to why they chose to pick FW out of Nancy's story of abuse and never mention the John Ramsey part of it. In the past few months I have seen reference, at times, to Uncle Johnny as being someone NK couldn't remember well. That is NOT the way the transcript read, and they know it.

    I do not believe one word that comes out of NK's mouth. I do not believe FW Jr or Sr ever sexually assaulted her and I do not believe that John Ramsey ever sexually assaulted her. What I want to know is why FW was singled out for one of the most vicious attacks against any man that I have ever seen and John Ramsey was given a pass by these jerks.

    They owe us an explanation. I can guarantee everyone there will not be an explanation forthcoming.
     
  2. Watching You

    Watching You Superior Bee Admin

    The BPD

    I have a new-found respect for the Boulder Police Department after reading the transcript of the NK interview. I don't know if that interview was supposed to have been released on the Internet or not, but I and others have read it, and it's an eye-opener.

    Not only were the detectives who spoke with NK respectful and kind, the fact that they did not degrade this woman after they had completed their investigation by saying she was mentally unstable and by not releasing any information about what appears to me to be paranoid delusions (no, I'm not a psychologist, but I'll bet I'm smarter than NK's therapist) indicates that the men and women within the BPD had compassion for NK and showed integrity and decency.

    Furthermore, since the BPD was so hell-bent on getting the Ramseys as the RST likes to have everyone believe, why didn't they jump all over NK's statements that John Ramsey raped, sodomized, performed oral copulation (her words) and otherwise abused her? There was their chance to get a Ramsey, if they had truly been out to get a Ramsey, there was the witness they needed. The fact that they didn't tells me everything I need to know. The woman was not credible, and their investigation into her claims, none of which has been released to the public, has remained sealed, except for the transcript, which somehow got into mame's hands, as I understand it, and onto Brady's website. It's gone now. No one knows why. Should we guess?

    Enter the FBI. The FBI didn't even deem NK's claims credible enough to start an investigation into an alleged sex ring. BTW, the term "sex ring" or "pedophile sex ring" never appeared in the transcript that I could see. Neither did she describe a stun gun in her interview but rather described some kind of cattle prod.

    In addition, when the detectives looked at what Nancy described as an electrical burn from one of these prods, which supposedly had occurred two weeks prior to her coming forward to the BPD, they could see only a very faint red mark. A female detective examined NK's "bottom" for what she claimed were more marks. There was no mention of the results of that examination in the transcript. Is this what mame referred to when she said NK was "stunned to the bone?" More mame lies.

    Maim has been thoroughly and forever discredited along with her nasty little hit women.
     
  3. Tricia

    Tricia Administrator Staff Member

    WY can you please type one of the exchanges between LE and MW where she accuses John Ramsey? That way we can have it as a reference for all time.

    We won't get any answers that we are owed. None.

    Mame will be quit on the discovery of Nancy's own words accusing John Ramsey.

    Mame will never tell us why she and her friends decided to try and destroy an innocent man.

    Mame will never tell us why she had Nancy call me, threaten me, and why she had Nancy ask about the posts concerning Mame. Nancy never said what specific posts she was upset about (except BobC) but she sure did know about postings concerning Mame.

    With Susan Stein being caught red handed ( Oh I do love Karma) perhaps it's time for the Karma train to approach the Mame crowd.

    That's a good thing :)
     
  4. Watching You

    Watching You Superior Bee Admin

    Sure, Tricia

    How about I show you more than one? There is so much clutter in the transcript, it's hard to sort out where to begin, where to stop.


    A. Ok, tell me about your contacts with John Ramsey

    C. Probably the ice breaker, some of the documents that I gave you umm the type ones were prepared in the course of umm her therapeutical relationship with Mary Bienkowski

    A. Mm-huh

    C. And she writes about is this ok

    A. That’s fine

    C. (inaudible) this is tough for you

    D. Mm-huh

    A. I think if it gets jump started that’s fine

    C. Ok, she names uncle Johnny in one of the pages in there, she writes about encounters with uncle Johnny. Do you want them to read that

    D. Yea

    C. Or do you want to read it to them

    D. I also want to show them that letter

    C. Yes, and there’s a letter here also. I can help you find it, thank you for your patience….how are we doing for time, are we

    A. We’re fine





    P96-21871

    C. You guys work all the time

    A. Pretty much

    C. Unfortunate….(shuffling papers)….God Dam….(low voice)

    B. Some of this stuff that you….

    C. The stack that Alex has may have all the missing pages

    A. Ok

    C. (inaudible)

    B. Yea, actually this is…this is what I need

    C. Ok, sorry about that

    B. So (door slammed)

    C. Is there a restroom in here, or do I need to go out to the lobby

    A. (inaudible)actuality is probably the closest, you want to take a restroom break

    D. Yea

    C. Do you have to take restroom, is that alright

    A. Yea, that’s fine we can stop this

    C. (inaudible) (C&D talking in a low voice)

    B. While we’re waiting for Tom, let me run some names by your real quick

    D. Ok

    B. XXXXXXXXX

    C. (Cough) excuse me





    P96-21871

    B. XXXXXXXXXX

    D. No

    A. (inaudible) ok (inaudible)

    C. Yes sir

    A. Ok…ok why don’t you get started show me what you got, this one here

    D. (inaudible)

    A. Ok, your uncle John is referred to

    D. John Ramsey

    A. Ok, and who’s this letter from

    D. From me

    A. And this is the one that was done during therapy right

    D. Right

    A. With Mary

    D. Uh-huh

    A. And when approximately did this letter get written

    D. I’m not sure

    A. Ball park

    C. 10…10 years, you’ve been in therapy for 10 years so the later time or the first

    D. The later half

    C. The later half….and..and for Detective Trujillo (inaudible) you might want to explain the this letter





    P96-21871

    D. Mmm

    A. Ok……..

    C. Do…do you think you should look at this letter to. I mean this..this actually (phone ringing) (inaudible) this letter provides great deal of context in terms of Mrs. Krebs experiential point of reference I guess I can barely describe from that (inaudible)

    A. Ok, so while he’s reading that lets umm this is the first ones..page one to your uncle John umm kind of put this in context so we’ve have some idea where..where all this is coming from

    D. Ok

    A. If you wouldn’t mind

    C. This..this document puts it into context in terms of her family history and all these documents were prepared in connection with efforts she was making to memorialize the ethic story that is her life of abuse

    A. Ok

    C. For her parents

    A. Umm

    C. And…and the reasons there’s not additional pages here

    A. Mm-huh

    C. Umm I collected these pages using Mrs. Bienkowski xerox machine which literally ran out of toner while she was xeroxing these pages

    A. Ok

    C. While I was there in XXXXXXXXX

    A. So umm

    C. This..this letter dated 1974 who was that from




    P96-21871

    D. My mom

    C. And it refers also to

    D. To my grandma and grandpa who were in Oregon at the time and umm she talks in here about umm I talk to Johnny every Saturday. He calls me at Sue’s house around 11:00

    A. Ok, that’s gonna be John Ramsey (phone ringing)

    D. As I know yes

    A. Ok

    D. Umm he sounds so lonesome and I miss him so much, but hopefully it won’t be to much longer. He just might be here on Thanksgiving, he has to buy a car and he wants to get a 1970 and I guess they run about $1600. I don’t know if that’s all really about a car or..or if about some other money that maybe that he gave my mom

    A. Ok

    D. Umm it’s been 5 months since I last saw him and then speaking of Thanksgiving I would like have you come to my house. I think the family should be together on Thanksgiving, it would be such fun

    A. Ok

    D. And the kids would love to see you and hopefully Johnny would be here. I hope it’s possible

    A. Ok and this..this is from whom

    D. My mom

    A. And it’s to her mom and to Al

    D. (inaudible) (A&D talking)

    A. And Al is which grandfather







    P96-21871

    D. Her step dad

    A. Ok, your mom’s step dad

    D. Yea

    C. That’s Spragues…

    A. Albert

    C. Who you’re talking about

    D. (inaudible)

    A. Ok, so in 1974 umm mom writes letter talks about Johnny coming over for Thanksgiving, that sort of thing. And again this is the person that you know as John Ramsey

    D. Right

    A. Ok, and lets…again instead of…kind of a to conserve…a conserve a little time we have all of these and we can read them over umm but I think it’s more important is..tell me in here this first page umm dear John…dear uncle John letter umm can I give you….tell me what these paragraphs mean if you could as opposed to you know you know could kind of go back and forth umm it’s easier if you just tell me what..what you’re talking about

    D. Ok, umm this was a letter that I was not going to sent

    A. Mm-huh

    D. First I’d like to say that, it was a letter that I was writing umm out of frustration

    A. Ok

    D. And out of…of a bunch of anger that I have

    A. And this a letter that’s written

    D. Towards John Ramsey





    P96-21871

    A. As part of therapy

    D. Right

    A. Ok

    D. And in this letter I’m expressing my feelings about how he treated me

    A. Mm-huh

    D. What he did with the money or whatever that was made from umm prostituting me in pornographic films and pictures

    A. Ok

    D. And it’s also saying what little that I know about the involvement that he had with my family and in a business sense

    A Ok, so let’s take the last part first..so you knew John Ramsey and your mother and your father were in some sort of a business agreement

    D No..no I am saying that some of the money that was made on some of the film that they did and prostituting of me and probably countless other people were funneled through business or things that John Ramsey would set up for them

    A Ok, so again to make sure I’m straight…so your parents are the ones that were doing this sort of stuff, and they were funneling money through John Ramsey. Does that make sense

    D No, I’m saying John Ramsey had as much of a part in it as anybody else in my family. But he was the person who was ditching the money.

    A. Ok

    C. Also can I add

    A. Mm-huh

    C. Just for clarity, umm when you refer to my family are you including reference to the Whites as being part of the family (inaudible) (talking)



    P96-21871

    D. What….what I’m saying I’m saying this…this whole group of people

    A. Ok (loud cough)

    D. Have been (coughing) involved in these types of things for many…many years

    A. Ok, lets talk about the types of things John Ramsey was involved in, cause obviously that’s the part that interest me the most ok. Tell me what John Ramsey was involved in as far as you

    D. As far as me

    A. As far as you

    D. He was involved in umm abusing me

    A. Ok, abusing you in what ways

    D. Having umm sexual intercourse with me

    A. Ok

    D. Having umm doing umm you know sodomy, oral copulation putting me in positions where I was in bondage

    A. Ok

    D. Where I would be umm sometimes chained sometimes umm tied sometimes umm like tortured with little tiny sticks that they would put on fire…and insert…insert inside of me

    A. Ok

    D. Just little tiny sticks umm they used different Instruments including John Ramsey

    A. Ok, and again and..and

    D. Broom sticks, little broom stick handles off little whisk broom

    A. Ok, and again lets focus on just John Ramsey for right now ok






    P96-21871

    D. Well I’m saying he did all of those things

    A. Ok, when was the last time you had any…any contact…any contact with John Ramsey

    D. That I remember was when we were living in Los Osos

    A. Ok, and when was that

    D. It would have been when I was in the 7th grade, and I had missed so many days of school

    A. Ok, that was the last day you had contact with John Ramsey

    D. Mm-huh

    A. Ok, when was the very first time that you remember having contact with John Ramsey

    D. It would have been at about the same age as umm with Mackey and Fleet, and Fleet Jr and so it would have been around the age of 1 ½, 4 years old

    A. Ok, so between 3 ½ up to 7th grade, umm again lets kind of put together a time line based on that…those…those years. Lets start on the 7th grade time line and we’ll go way back ok and again lets…lets narrow our focus to just John Ramsey right now ok umm last encounter with John Ramsey that…that seems to kind of be the easiest is figuring out the last time that you had an encounter with him. Umm lets talk about that

    D. The last time that I remember

    A. The last time that you remember

    D. Yea, umm (coughing) I know that we were living in an apartment building in Los Osos

    A. Ok, with whom

    D. I was living there with my mom

    A. Ok








    P96-21871

    D. And my sister and brother

    A. Ok

    D. And my mom and I shared a bedroom and my sister and brother shared a room

    A. Ok

    D. So during this time they were lots of men who would come over and they would have sexual intercourse with my mom and sometimes they would or would not with me in the same bed

    A. Ok

    D. And what I remember about John Ramsey being there was that he was there several times when I was in the 7th grade and that he would tie me to the bed or tie me in a closet on a thing that we had in our closet uh like where you hang up clothes

    A. Ok, like a clothes just clothes rack

    D. Yea, like a…a pole in the closet

    A. Ok

    D. And he would umm have sexual intercourse with me or sodomize me or oral copulation and lots of time there was actual film speed taken movie cameras of this and also pictures

    A. Ok

    D. (inaudible)

    A. So did they…did the video’s show both of you, did it show you and John Ramsey

    D. Yes










    P96-21871

    A. In full…full body type pictures

    D. Mm-huh

    A. Ok, so

    D. And lots of times they would use, especially if they had you’d tied it up they would use two different camera’s. They would put a camera towards your head and…and a camera towards your genitalia

    A. Ok, now could you also see John Ramsey’s head in these photo’s or these video’s

    D. Yea

    A. Ok, have you ever seen these video’s playing

    D. They weren’t video’s and

    A. Ok

    D. They were umm put on umm real..real tapes

    A. Ok, little real tapes

    D. Yea

    A. Ok, have you…have you seen these video’s

    D. Yes I have

    A. Ok, do you know where those video’s are at currently

    D. No, but I can tell you that when I lived in Trona with my mom and step father, that they had a movie screen out in the…a big like open patio and they would take umm me and my sister and my brother whoever else happened to be there and some men and teenage boys and they would all go out unto this patio they would pull down this screen and they would show these movies

    A. Ok, and these…these movies of John Ramsey and you





    P96-21871

    D. And different and various other people

    A. Ok, and again lets…we’re gonna focus just on John Ramsey for right now

    D. Mm-huh

    A. Umm again focusing on the very last encounter that you can remember with John Ramsey and actually umm lets go…lets go to that step by step…that occurred at your mother’s apartment

    D. Yes

    A. Ok, lets go step by step what occurred

    D. I can give you the address

    A. Ok

    D. If that would help you, it was at the time it was called umm XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX or XXXX and it’s now on XXXXXXXXXXX in Los Osos

    A. Ok, so lets…lets talk about that last encounter with John Ramsey, how did it start umm you talked a little bit about who was there but tell me what occurred specifically just on the last one

    D. It’s really hard for me to say which one is the last one

    A. Ok

    D. I mean do you understand that I…oh excuse me…umm

    C. Will explained why it’s hard for you to (inaudible) (C&D taking)

    D. Well cause there were so many different people involved

    A. Ok

    D. In these…and also right now and fearing a lot of fear for my life

    A. Mm-huh




    P96-21871

    D. And for the lives of couple of other people, so I think that I’m loosing

    A. Ok

    D. But

    A. Loosing focus a little bit

    D. Yea

    A. And again the reason…the reason I’m going to the last..the last time is..is kind of how you focused in on Fleet White Sr

    D. I know…I…know

    A. Is the last time

    D. Well I could also say about John Ramsey being there was that at other times there would be other men there

    A. Mm-huh

    D. And at those other times like especially if they were going to be doing a movie they would use umm methods of bondage. And if it was not with ropes it could be like…chains or handcuffs or

    A. Mm-huh

    D. Umm pantyhose or whatever they just felt like using at the time and they would bring Mackey in on those occasions to umm strangle me

    A. Ok, how do you mean strangle you

    D. I mean he would use different things at different times but a lot of times he would go for my neck and he would push

    A. Ok

    D. What I now know to be like this an artery and he would push and push and push until I could hardly breath


    P96-21871

    A. Ok

    D. Or he would take umm some kind of like umm a little string or a small rope or just anything to put around me and just like almost choke me to death

    A. Ok, did you ever become unconscious

    D. Yes

    A. (inaudible)

    D. I would pass out sometimes

    A. Ok (inaudible)

    D. And he would…and then Mackey would…especially at first when he first started doing that to me as a young child when I would pass out he would just get extremely…extremely angry

    A. Because you passed out

    D. Right

    A. Ok, again we’re talking about Mackey, lets…lets bring the focus back to John Ramsey

    D. But I think it was important to tell you because of that…that Mackey could have been there on the last time, it could have been one of the times that they had made this movie one of the movies of me being strangled

    A. Ok so

    D. And there was a reason that they did that and that was because and I…umm till this day I don’t understand why or what the mechanics or whatever but if they wanted me to be excited in the sexual way that’s what they would do

    A. Ok

    D. If they weren’t if…if….if…because a lot of times when they were doing things to me my body would just shut down and it wouldn’t get the effect that they would want






    P96-21871

    A. Ok, so by…like choking you out like you talked about by causing you do go unconscious, they believed that excited you in some sort of sexual way

    D. Yea

    A. Is that what you’re saying

    D. Yes, I…that’s what I’m saying

    A. Which would facilitate the assault on you
     
  5. Vic

    Vic Active Member

    well.... riddle me this

    A whole lotta people should be in a whole lotta trouble.

    Why aren't they?
     
  6. Tricia

    Tricia Administrator Staff Member

    OMG why in the world isn't John Ramsey in trouble?

    Why didn't the newspapers pick up on John Ramsey...let's see what was it,

    "D No..no I am saying that some of the money that was made on some of the film that they did and prostituting of me and probably countless other people were funneled through business or things that John Ramsey would set up for them."

    WHERE IS THE GRASSROOTS REPORTER WHEN WE NEED HER.

    Where are the local newspapers? Why didn't Hunter come out and say that what Nancy said about John Ramsey was credible.

    This is the most obvious, vile, attempt to ruin one man while protecting another.

    WY could you please identify who the interviewers are? I became a bit confused. Thanks.
     
  7. Moab

    Moab Admin Staff Member

    A. Det Tom Trujillo
    B. Det. Chuck Heidel
    C. Lee Hill
    D. you know who...
    E. Alex Hunter
     
  8. Adrian Monk

    Adrian Monk Member

    Scatterbrains

    Mark Beckner said a trip to California would be "fruitless" and suggested they weren't taking the results of the interview seriously. They are privy to the results of the entire interview, while I for one, so far, am not. The portion I've seen in the earlier post doesn't really look like much of a smoking gun with regard to John Ramsey OR Fleet White being involved in a group of people raping and torturing little girls and filming what they were doing on reel-to-reel.

    One is at least tempted to ask oneself why, if "Uncle Johnny" was starring in kiddie porn films, on several occasions, has he not run afoul of the extensive and sweeping investigations into kiddie porn being done both by American law enforcement and by Interpol's Archangel Project. And with a large number of people in the audience of the screening of these films, as alleged by Ms. Krebs, on a back porch? That such a thing could be kept such a secret for so long, taxes one's ability to retain a benefit of the doubt.

    Also, she places John Ramsey in bed with her for the last time, in 1974 at first, and then later she says when she was "in the 7th grade". If she were of a normal age for a 7th grader, in 1974, she would be 40 today, not 37. Or was she a 9 year-old 7th grader?

    An extensive check of John Ramsey's computer for kiddie porn turned up empty, which it wouldn't have if that were his "sort of thing" to begin with. Contrast this with what was found on David Westerfield's computer, and you get the idea.

    That the murder scene was staged, few people would dispute, and the ones who would, like Lou Smit, are of such marginal coherence and mental clarity that they can safely be disregarded. Now, if you stage a murder scene, the point is to make it look like something it WASN'T: for example, a murder is often staged to look like an "accident" or a "suicide". If you have a rape-murder, there is no point in staging it to look like a rape-murder. It would seem likely then, that rape-murder is one of the very few things that can be crossed off the list, as something it was NOT. The motive to cover up some other form of death in the guise of a rape-murder points very clearly away from an intruder, and yet the lack of likelihood that there was a rape nexus to the crime, would itself imply that Ms. Krebs' horror story of multigenerational sexual misconduct among the Ramsey and White families, is not consistent with what was found, physically, at the crime scene.
     
  9. Watching You

    Watching You Superior Bee Admin

    Believe it or not

    this is about as bad as it gets. There is more on John Ramsey than there is on FW Jr. NK refers to FW Sr, who was in his 80's, I believe, at the time of JBR's murder, quite frequently and Mackey Boykin more than FW Jr, but FW Jr was mentioned infrequently and it seems it was back when he was a teenager or younger.

    None of it makes sense, and like Adrian Monk says, there is no smoking gun there with Ramsey. There is even less with FW, but the barren headed fools who forgot to mention that NK also implicated JR in her fantasies have a lot of explaining to do. What's up with that, mame?

    We are in possession of the entire interview, even though it was removed from Brady's site. What we do with is from here is up to Tricia.
     
  10. Adrian Monk

    Adrian Monk Member

    Re: Believe it or not

    The motive to punish Fleet White for not standing stalwartly (and blindly, and fanatically, and against all possibility of reason) by the Ramseys' side, as one of those lobotomized "friends", seems clear. Means and opportunity might be found by way of following the money.

    I personally would advise not publishing it until it's been legally cleared for publication by the judge in Boulder who put the gag order on it, or by a higher-level court. Hopefully that will be soon, and with previous gag-order release battles (such as the one over the autopsy report), the judicial temperment seems to lean more toward the public's right to know, so patience may pay off here.

    It seems nonsensical to me that the gag order could have remained due to details germaine to any part of the ongoing investigation. If all you have is fruit-loop non-testimony, what's to be harmed in the case by releasing it? And can the Keenan flying circus really be called a "case" or an "investigation" anyway?

    In your reading of the transcript, do you see anything there which would compel a reasonable judge to keep a gag order on it?
     
  11. Watching You

    Watching You Superior Bee Admin

    I don't believe Tricia

    is going to publish the entire transcript at this time, Adrian, for the reasons you mention.

    I might add that no one on this forum did anything illegal or wrong. The transcript was published, in full, at Brady's website. One would assume, then, that it came from a legal source. That apparently may not be the case, as it was taken down not long ago. Since FW is the only one who had legal access to the transcript, as far as I know, outside the BPD and DA's office, it would appear someone had a bootlegged copy of the transcript - someone who knew Brady and trusted her enough not to reveal her source. Now, who is always claiming inside information about the Ramsey case? Who professes to "know" things that others don't know? Someone in the media? Someone who claims to be a journalist? I'm just asking, I don't know.

    Something is stinky in Boulder, CO, and other parts thereof.
     
  12. Watching You

    Watching You Superior Bee Admin

    Re judge's gag order on transcript

    It's a judgment call, I think. The transcript is bizarre and clearly the witness does not seem lucid at times and not credible all the time. I see a lot of paranoia there and other deficiencies, but I'm not a psychologist or psychiatrist so I only have my own lay person's observations and conclusions to go on. Still, it is blatently clear the claims made by the witness are incredible, to say the least.

    So, would a judge keep the transcript under wraps as a means to protect the witness's privacy, since she seems unwell? It would be the kind thing to do, I suppose, if the witness did not make such horrid accusations against several men, including members of her own family. One should have the right to negate those accusations, it seems, though doing so could only draw more attention to them.

    Could the release hurt the case? You mean, any more than it has already been destroyed by the leeches and the vultures who think they have the right to interfere, and more than the Ramseys and the jamesons and the Stines and Smit have destroyed it? No, it wouldn't hurt it any more than they have, but it would add to the circus. I think the BPD has attempted to keep things under wrap the best they can, but when someone makes those kinds of accusations against someone else, that's hard to do, especially when you have got a grass roots reporter with an ego big as Iraq blabbing it all over the Internet and her flunkies taking up her mantra and libeling the Whites the way they did.

    I think releasing it would lay that baby to rest, though. As I said, any intelligent person reading the transcript from beginning to end would recognize the pathology there. Note, I said "intelligent." That would leave out the mames and morgans and mary99's et al of the world. They all seem to congregate on Internet forums, probably because no one will listen to their rantings in RL.

    I hope it is released soon. When it is, Tricia can decide then what to do. If everyone else puts it up, I see no reason why she shouldn't, but that is her decision. Showing it can only show how false the anti-FW claims have been all these years.
     
  13. "J_R"

    "J_R" Shutter Bug Bee

    Re: I don't believe Tricia

    and has been since December 26, 1996 and more than likely a lot longer than that. JMHO.
     
  14. BobC

    BobC Poster of the EON - Fabulous Inimitable Transcript

    You're absolutely right, WY. I said virtually the same exact things in my review of these "interviews." Krabs couldn't have been any clearer about being supposedly raped by John Ramsey. And thank you for backing me up on the incoherence of Kreb's crap. Those idiots Stupy and Mary666 both actually said that I "couldn't read" and got everything wrong. Bullchit. That whole interview is an incoherent mess and contradicts itself so many times that saying I got things "wrong" is meaningless.

    I'm bored with this fraud and this is my last post on it. Krebs is a liar and a predator. Any additional attention she gets will be from reporters doing a story on people who fake ritual abuse and inject themselves into high profile cases. Hopefully the next time she or someone like her pulls this crap, she will will be arrested for giving fraudulent information as the BPD threatened her and Stine. They're both liars and it's not funny. Trust me, Law Enforcement knows all about Susan Stine's involvement and I couldn't be happier that it's been made public.
     
  15. LurkerXIV

    LurkerXIV Moderator

    The NK Tapes

    I read the entire transcript when it was up on Brady/DeFreitas.
    I thought at the time that BobC's rendering of the interview was very accurate, as it showed how deluded and pathetic NK is. She could hardly get a sentence out without pauses--ums, ers, coughs--while she tried to keep her strange fantasies in order, as prompted by her handlers.

    This section about John Ramsey is so revealing. The tales of porn movies on the patio with NK as the star are so outlandish....by no means can she be a "Mystery Woman" if her "talents" have been on exhibit for 30 years.

    I believe that Bob's theory of greedy men like Fried and Singular using this woman to make money off of the JonBenet saga is right on. NK is being exploited once again for fun and profit.

    mame and her hyena horde are just as bad...feeding off the delusions of a mentally ill woman to promote themselves as some sort of "truth squad" in the JonBenet case. Now their chicanery is revealed to all the world by the publication of these transcripts.

    Claudia thought she was such a "hotshot"...being the first to publish this sad and sordid saga on Holoworld. I'm surprised that Frank De Freitas did not vet this reckless action with his attorney first.

    Tell me again, Tricia, who is being sued?
     
  16. Tricia

    Tricia Administrator Staff Member

    Several things going on here.

    First I wish BobC would speak his mind. LOL

    Ok here is the deal.

    I believe there is a court order preventing me from putting the transcripts up. I believe. Doesn't mean it's the truth. I am looking into that.

    If there is a court order preventing me from doing this I would like to know how Mame got the transcript to Mrs. Brady. I got the transcript from Brady's site. No mystery there.

    I would like to put them up since I was personally threatened by the woman in the interview. I don't take that crap lightly. I want to put the transcript up to show and remind everyone just how unstable Nancy Krebs is during this interview.

    I woud like to put the transcript up to show and remind everyone that it wasn't just the Whites that Nancy pointed her delusional finger at but John Ramsey as well.

    John Ramsey ran the money end of the movie deals and abused her. Funny. I don't remember hearing anything about that...hmmm.

    For right now what I told WY to put up about John Ramsey is as far as I will go. For now.

    I want to state right here and now that I am fully responsible for having the transcript and any part of it that is published on the forum. How people respond to the transcript is their constitutionally protected first amendment right. The transcript was published on the internet for many months. I didn't come by it illegally nor have I been told I am not allowed to have it.

    If anyone has any question regarding the transcript please post here or email at tricia@forumsforjustice.org
     
  17. Watching You

    Watching You Superior Bee Admin

    Maim (I can hardly gag that name out)

    anymore and her thugs have been strangely silent as of late. That's the way they operate, though, they come out of their hidey holes long enough to strike with a vengence against FW and anyone who dares confront them, then they retreat once again to the dark and dank recesses of their sordid, twisted minds. It's been their MO for the past several years, ever since around 1998 when they all first appeared on JW.

    They have been able to freely attack a man while keeping back information that would have shown them, and their mystery woman, as frauds from the beginning. Do they not understand that their continued attacks on the posters who said from the first something wasn't right about the MW story and on FW are making them appear as disturbed as she does?

    Either they are very very stupid or they intentionally set out to ruin a man and anyone else who got in their way. Perhaps they should be investigated by the BPD as to their roles in the NK saga and why.
     
  18. "J_R"

    "J_R" Shutter Bug Bee

    Re: Maim (I can hardly gag that name out)


    My constitutionally protected opinion after reading this small portion of the transcript is that there was a purposeful conspiracy here to ruin Fleet White's reputation and probably a major payoff of some sort for doing so and hence, someone needs to investigate who, what, where, when and why. I don't normally buy conspiracy theories but there has been too much of an all out effort for far too long to ruin Fleet White's reputation for this to be anything else.


    Looking back at all that has transpired, Maim is clearly not bright enough to be any more than someone's puppet in all of this because anyone with half a brain had to know this evidence would eventually come out. Then again, maybe I just answered my own questions. JMHO.
     
  19. Tricia

    Tricia Administrator Staff Member

    LurkerXIV I think when it is all said and done.....

    I'll sue YOU just for fun 'k? LOL

    Have you ever tried to explain this saga to people who know nothing about it? You come across sounding insane. I did. Trying to explain it to my attorney ( yes he is a pit-bull but in a good way) he finally said, "Tricia I don't know what the hell you got yourself into this time but just wait until you are served. You have given me a headache." LOL.

    JR I agree with everything you said.

    I do believe BobC is really on to something. There may be hope yet to prove this was not a coincidence.
     
  20. Watching You

    Watching You Superior Bee Admin

    Don't, BobC

    I know you are fed up with the Krebs saga, but please don't stop posting about it. Exposure is the best defense against these people. I had to read the transcripts myself to understand just how right on your reviews were. It just gives a broader scope to all the bullchit that was going on during the interview. I would say the bulk of that "interview" was clutter - nonsensical blab by NK and Lee Hill that made no sense at all. There was very little of substance, and what there was was out in left field somewhere.
     
  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice