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    Zapata, it's all coming together from what I 'vaguely' remember from way back then.

    John couldn't hack it in the employment world. As you noted, he was either fired or quit and just couldn't cut it. He was a womanizer and wound up being divorced by Lucinda.

    But I remember the 'rumors' back then of the Ramseys being in financial difficulty. People poo-pooed it, coming out with statements of how much the Rams were worth and that they owned boats, planes, expensive cars, lived in "mansions" and traveled alot.

    Someone posted an article on pageants at Purg but because of copyright laws it was taken down yesterday (it went up yesterday, too). It talked about how the pageant dresses are so expensive, so a lot of pageant mothers will buy contestants' dresses second hand to save costs. The article noted that in November, 96, Patsy was at a pageant and asking around about buying JonBenet a second hand pageant dress. She bought one. It was the one JonBenet was buried in!!!

    I wouldn't go so far as to suggest JonBenet was murdered for money....but I think (and if the rumors about John losing his job in a few months was known) there's a pretty good argument to be made that Patsy's world -- as she knew it -- was tumbling down around her. She liked the good life -- being at the top of the social ladder was very important to her. I'm sure they had discussions that they had to start curbing expenses. Buying a second hand dress for JonBenet blew my mind -- imagine how Patsy felt!!!!!

    There are theorists who believe that John Ramsey was behind bringing Krebs in. But I don't believe that's possible. He hasn't had a job since the the murder and I bet with some digging, we'll find he didn't have much to begin with. He wound up selling his big luxury items and as we've seen, he didn't have any stock with Access...which is amazing seeing as how it was his company and he was CEO.

    I also don't think he's making much at all with these libel suits.

    Besides, what little money he probably has, I doubt he'd give it to Krebs or any of her cohorts to come to Boulder and make outrageous accusations against him.

    As far as Mame's concerned, I don't think there was any payoff for her...I think her ego got in the way and she thought she'd get "paid off" when she was heralded for breaking the case, writing a book, and winning a Pulitzer. It's a laughable statement, but I think Mame believed it!

    When did Mame first start veering away from Fleet White? By that I mean, when did her animosity against him first show its ugly head? Krebs was the vehicle that Mame rode ... but why did she want to jump onto that bandwagon in the first place?

    I vaguely remember her "reporting" posts at JW...remember how she used to go to the court house and then "report" about it? I remember she went to the court house one time where Fleet was present and she made somewhat derogatory remarks about him -- trying to paint him as a mean person with a temper who pushed his weight around. That was long before Krebs was on the scene. When did she first turn against White? and why?

    Steve Singular teamed up with another Boulderite and tried to get an investigation going into pornography (again, in high places in Boulder). There was an investigation, but no charges were brought. There was a local guy who worked at the court house or in city hall who got caught with some porn on his pc....he was sanctioned and had to go to therapy, I think, but he didn't lose his job.

    So Singular already had one foot in Boulder's door with the "porn/sex ring" theories, so I'm sure he's going to be found getting involved very early in this Krebs scandal. As we've seen, he was included in that meeting with Hunter, Hill and Hartman. He had no business being there. And since that was the very first meetig to bring Krebs out and to the attention of Boulder LE, he had to have some involvement prior to that meeting.

    Is it possible he "found" Krebs in another attempt to open yet another sex scandal case in Boulder? Perhaps Krebs never saw Hill on TV...perhaps Singular simply told her that Hill was the guy to call to get the ball rolling.

    Singular was also involved with the forums beginning with his first sex investigation in Boulder. Were the posters who got involved with Krebs the same posters that pushed Singular's theory of sex in Boulder the first time? He was on the Boyle's show and whatnot back then. There was another angle, I can't remember. Wasn't he trying to link Ramsey to the first scandal?

    Anyway, fwiw, I never got any invitations to any of these secret forums. :-(

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    I agree with BobC...

    I don't know much about John Ramsey's work history, but I've been told that his boss at Lockheed Martin, Gary Mann, thought he was a "valuable employee" and wanted to keep him with the company. The fact that he left LM could have been because there was nothing for him to do in the Atlanta area or that JR lost his "rabbi" when Mann took over another division of the company.

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    Yeah Shadow, I hate to criticize anybody who's better in business than I'd ever be! I'm just a COMMON ARTIST!

    However, the hi-tech business field is so damn squirrely these days I'd believe anything.

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    at another forum are saying a new hat there, maddie, is mame. After reading maddie's posts, I will say without hesitation that they are right. Mame is stupid to think she can hide behind a different hat. Can't hide that condescending attitude nor that hatred toward anything FFJ, can you, mame. You should have lost the !!!!!, too, mame.
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    bringing up posts from last September.

    You probably got mame crying now.

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    to cry.
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    the philosophy which does not laugh,
    and the greatness which does not bow before children.

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    Year.......

    After year,

    after year, after year.

    Scam

    After Scam,

    after Scam, after Scam.
    "Don't play dumb with me, RR! You're no good at it." The Punisher

    "Although no one is anticipating a prompt resolution to this long and much-detoured case, perhaps - just perhaps - might we see one of those moments “when a chance arrow of history scores a perfect bullseye on a deserving target”? Steve Thomas 2009

    "Justice hasn't had a chance so far. Anyone who doesn't have this as their prime goal, we'll have a falling out with." Fleet White - Time Magazine

    "What happens is that evil comes in," Fleet says. "If you don't have truth, all you have are lies, then what comes in is evil. And evil just does its thing. In the Ramsey case, it just did its thing, and it's eaten up so many people."

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    Cool Goodbye 2007

    Hello 2008 and the return of...........

    http://www.topix.net/forum/news/jonb...GGG4D4D5DJ/p62

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    She's not done yet,as things develope,she will reappear."

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    "Although no one is anticipating a prompt resolution to this long and much-detoured case, perhaps - just perhaps - might we see one of those moments “when a chance arrow of history scores a perfect bullseye on a deserving target”? Steve Thomas 2009

    "Justice hasn't had a chance so far. Anyone who doesn't have this as their prime goal, we'll have a falling out with." Fleet White - Time Magazine

    "What happens is that evil comes in," Fleet says. "If you don't have truth, all you have are lies, then what comes in is evil. And evil just does its thing. In the Ramsey case, it just did its thing, and it's eaten up so many people."

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    You sure called that one mouse!
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    Oh Moab.......Eight years later, there are more questions for Nancy to answer and from what I hear........LOL.......she will answer to anything even if she has no clue what it is that she is being asked about!
    "Don't play dumb with me, RR! You're no good at it." The Punisher

    "Although no one is anticipating a prompt resolution to this long and much-detoured case, perhaps - just perhaps - might we see one of those moments “when a chance arrow of history scores a perfect bullseye on a deserving target”? Steve Thomas 2009

    "Justice hasn't had a chance so far. Anyone who doesn't have this as their prime goal, we'll have a falling out with." Fleet White - Time Magazine

    "What happens is that evil comes in," Fleet says. "If you don't have truth, all you have are lies, then what comes in is evil. And evil just does its thing. In the Ramsey case, it just did its thing, and it's eaten up so many people."

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    Cool Suma's Seven Year Spin

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    I'm trying to find the breaking stories on the "mystery witness" from Feb. 2000 in my archives. Until I review them again I'll share what I remember.

    From my perspective Ramsey was never left out of any discussions regarding Krebs. I was not involved with or in contact with Lee Hill, Hartman or Singular when their meetings with Hunter or Krebs initially took place.

    While I followed the mystery witness story...as well as any Ramsey story...BJ Plasket and I first discussed the story briefly via phone with Hill and then in depth in Hill's law office. At no time was the POSSIBLE Ramsey connection left out of our discussions. While we didn’t go into huge detail, I was clearly told that in no way did her story exculpate John Ramsey.

    I know for certain any reporter who met with Hill or Krebs during that time was given that info. If a reporter left it out it wasn’t because they weren’t informed.

    Please remember, her information was massive. It involved a huge number of people, places, incidents, etc. From a news perspective the White connection was most prominent due to the verified family connection AND uncanny similarities of abuse...specifically the garroting.

    Even though I had not personally ruled out the Ramsey's when I met Nancy...I was more than a little suspect of the Ramsey connection in what she had to say. It just seemed too damn hard to believe this connection existed. I stayed open and honest in personal discussions with Nancy. She described "Uncle Johnny" to me...gave me details, etc. She described him as thin with a beard. And yes, afterwards we saw his picture looking just as she’d described in a book from my Ramsey library.
    Personally, I do not believe “Uncle Johnny” was John Ramsey. However, many do…and investigations by several back then indicated Ramsey was in California during the right years and times…and that this connection was possible.

    I believe that any information given to Nancy by her nutcase mother Gwen..should be taken with a grain of salt. While I believe much of it is true….if you research this kind of familial, generational abuse you also know that controlling through fear and trying to impress run rampant with those controlling their victims. So a mother like Gwen would use symbols or even pieces of real evidence to reinforce her control. There are MANY documented connections to criminal activity that HAVE been confirmed in the years since Nancy came forward….so we know some of what Gwen said was true. However, I personally believe Uncle Johnny was a real person who was trumped up by Gwen to be John Ramsey. That’s my opinion.

    I’ve said this a zillion times…the information Nancy gave to the BPD was given as pieces of information to help a larger investigation. SHE NEVER EVER EVEN ONCE said she had all the answers. She gave the information she had…and everyone begged for an in depth full investigation into what she shared. That never happened with the BPD. Nancy gave the BPD detailed info on where to find evidence, people who could confirm incidents, people, etc.…where to find the films (porn) on her family property, neighbors who witnessed the comings and goings of “Uncle Johnny” from her mother’s apartment….it goes on and on. Instead of investigating the BPD clued in her family as to what she had said…allowing them time to clean up or remove any possible evidence.

    How sad.
    "Don't play dumb with me, RR! You're no good at it." The Punisher

    "Although no one is anticipating a prompt resolution to this long and much-detoured case, perhaps - just perhaps - might we see one of those moments “when a chance arrow of history scores a perfect bullseye on a deserving target”? Steve Thomas 2009

    "Justice hasn't had a chance so far. Anyone who doesn't have this as their prime goal, we'll have a falling out with." Fleet White - Time Magazine

    "What happens is that evil comes in," Fleet says. "If you don't have truth, all you have are lies, then what comes in is evil. And evil just does its thing. In the Ramsey case, it just did its thing, and it's eaten up so many people."



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