Darnay Hoffman at work

Discussion in 'Justice for JonBenet Discussion - Public Forum' started by Spade, Oct 29, 2003.

  1. Spade

    Spade Member

    No wonder ex- is sucking up to LinWad:

    0001
    1 IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
    FOR THE NORTHERN DISTRICT OF GEORGIA
    2 ATLANTA DIVISION
    3 ROBERT CHRISTIAN WOLF,
    4 Plaintiff,
    CASE NO. 00-CIV-1187(JEC)
    5 vs.
    6 JOHN BENNETT RAMSEY and

    PATRICIA PAUGH RAMSEY,
    7
    Defendants.
    8 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    9
    VIDEOTAPED DEPOSITION OF
    10
    GIDEON EPSTEIN
    11
    12 May 17, 2002

    21 MR. HOFFMAN: Come on, Lin, stop
    22 trying to be a wise guy.
    23 MR. WOOD: Now, I'm not trying to
    24 -- you don't have the right --
    25 MR. HOFFMAN: Stop trying to be a
    0190

    1 wise guy, Lin, which is what you're doing right
    2 now.
    3 MR. WOOD: You do not have the --
    4 MR. HOFFMAN: I'm just analogizing.
    5 I'm treating it as if it were a direct
    6 examination for the purposes of trying to make
    7 this analogy understandable, and, very simply, I
    8 will not go outside the bounds of what was
    9 asked at this deposition as if it had been a
    10 direct examination at trial.
    11 MR. ALTMAN: I think we're on the
    12 same page on that.
    13 MR. HOFFMAN: That's a pretty simple
    14 concept.
    15 MR. WOOD: I thought the question
    16 was whether -- don't you agree you don't have
    17 the right to conduct a direct examination on our
    18 dollar.
    19 MR. HOFFMAN: Absolutely not. All I
    20 want to do is just simply allow him to answer

    21 a few of the questions that he might not have
    22 been allowed to answer more fully that were
    23 asked on your, you know, on your dime, so to
    24 speak.
    25 MR. WOOD: So you do agree that you
    0191
    1 do not have the right to do a direct

    2 examination on our dime.
    3 MR. HOFFMAN: Well, no, no. I
    4 don't agree that there's any law or authority to
    5 that effect so to that degree I don't agree
    6 that you have a legal right to make that as a
    7 requirement.
    8 However, as far as to just simply
    9 what I'm going to do is I'm certainly not going
    10 to try and take advantage of the situation.
    11 You certainly could have gone the full seven
    12 hours. I appreciate the fact that you're
    13 extending my witness the courtesy of letting him
    14 leave so he can catch his flight and also
    15 shorten your examination to give me a little
    16 time to what I hope will be a legitimate
    17 attempt to try and just let him augment some of
    18 the answers that he had given in response to
    19 your earlier questioning.
    20 But you have no legal authority, in

    21 my opinion, to limit it, and in that degree I
    22 don't agree with you. However I'm telling you
    23 that I will simply abide by our gentleman's

    24 agreement that we're making right here that I
    25 will limit it only to those areas that were
    0192
    1 gone into when you questioned him originally.
    2 MR. WOOD: I haven't made any
    3 agreement with you today. I don't think Jim
    4 Rawls has made any agreement with you today.
    5 MR. ALTMAN: Why don't we do this?
    6 Why don't we proceed forward, and if you have
    7 an objection, state your objection as we go.
    8 MR. RAWLS: Let me -- Darnay, I

    9 don't know if we're together. I understand what
    10 I said to you, I'm not sure I understand your
    11 intentions.
    12 But rather than your explaining them
    13 to me, let me say we will object if you
    14 attempt to use any part of today's deposition,
    15 all of which we've paid for, none of which

    16 you've paid for, nor, as I understand the
    17 witness' testimony, are you ever going to pay
    18 for.
    19 So if you attempt to use any part
    20 of this in a way that I consider the subject
    21 of a direct examination designed to get any
    22 opinions of this witness into evidence in the
    23 case, we will not only object, but we're late
    24 in the afternoon on a Friday, we'll need to
    25 call Judge Carnes about that.
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    1 MR. HOFFMAN: You know what normally
    2 happens in depositions?
    3 MR. WOOD: Darnay, we don't need to
    4 hear that. I've been taking depositions for 25
    5 years. You haven't taken depositions -- I bet

    6 you haven't taken five depositions in your whole
    7 life.
    8 MR. HOFFMAN: Hey, Lin, given the

    9 fact that you've never tried a libel case in
    10 front of a jury --
    11 MR. WOOD: Darnay Hoffman, let me
    12 tell you something -- Darnay, you've never --
    13 the only case you ever tried you got hit for
    14 $45 million when Bernie Getz was found guilty

    15 for a crime he walked from in a criminal case.
    16 Listen, I have tried cases for 25
    17 years. I've tried more cases than you could
    18 count in your sleep, big boy.
    19 MR. HOFFMAN: -- your first libel
    20 case, okay.
    21 MR. WOOD: Darnay, I don't have to
    22 try a libel case to know how to try a case,

    23 but after listening to Fleet White's deposition
    24 it was obvious to me that you don't know how
    25 to take a deposition.
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    1 MR. HOFFMAN: That's okay.
    2 MR. WOOD: Why don't you tell us

    3 how many depositions you've taken in your
    4 illustrious career?
    5 MR. HOFFMAN: I've taken plenty.
    6 MR. WOOD: I bet you haven't taken
    7 25.
    8 MR. HOFFMAN: Can I tell you
    9 something? I'm the only --
    10 MR. WOOD: I've tried more cases
    11 than you've taken depositions. So don't lecture
    12 me.
    13 MR. HOFFMAN: Hey, I'm the only man
    14 on the planet that's taken Patsy Ramsey's
    15 deposition, and plenty have tried, so don't --
    16 MR. WOOD: Let me tell you
    17 something, and it was a joke. You didn't know
    18 what you were doing.
    19 MR. HOFFMAN: I hope that's what you
    20 believe because I hope you prepare your trial

    21 case accordingly, underestimating me.
    22 MR. WOOD: You're not going to see
    23 a trial in this case. You're going to get
    24 booted on summary judgment just like you got
    25 booted out in Linda Hoffman Pugh's criminal
    0195
    1 case.

    2 MR. HOFFMAN: Sorry, you're wrong.
    3 I'm sorry, you're wrong. When you went --
    4 MR. WOOD: I'm sure you're 100
    5 percent certain like this guy sitting across the
    6 table is.
    7 MR. HOFFMAN: If I was supposed to

    8 be out of here, I would have been out on that
    9 motion to dismiss, but you guys --
    10 MR. WOOD: You got by that motion
    11 to dismiss by the thinnest of threads, only
    12 because you were willing to plead anything,
    13 despite the fact that you can't prove it.

    14 MR. HOFFMAN: And the judge paid me
    15 the complement of actually quoting extensively
    16 from my brief.
    17 MR. WOOD: I don't think the judge
    18 paid you any complements.
    19 MR. HOFFMAN: Hey, I'm here, and all
    20 I can tell you --
    21 MR. WOOD: You're here and you
    22 haven't even bought the deposition --
    23 MR. HOFFMAN: And you guys couldn't
    24 do what 95 percent of the lawyers in
    25 America --
    0196
    1 MR. WOOD: You're so proud of Patsy

    2 Ramsey's deposition, you haven't even bothered to
    3 pay for it. You haven't even paid the court

    4 reporter for taking it down yet.
    5 MR. HOFFMAN: Come on, who cares --
    6 MR. WOOD: You haven't even paid the
    7 court reporter for taking down Patsy Ramsey's
    8 deposition.
    9 MR. HOFFMAN: All right, so what?

    10 MR. WOOD: You never got a copy of
    11 it. I thought you were proud of it.

    12 MR. HOFFMAN: So what's your
    13 problem?
    14 MR. WOOD: You don't have the money
    15 to pay for it. It's a frivolous lawsuit filed
    16 by a frivolous lawyer and you don't even have
    17 the money to pay to come down and sit with

    18 your own deposition witness. You never even met
    19 your own client.
    20 MR. HOFFMAN: Hey, Lin, don't talk

    21 to me about frivolity and the fact that I had
    22 to go to an expert because your daughter had a
    23 horse show that you had to attend and you
    24 couldn't be a real lawyer over a weekend, you
    25 actually had to twist everything into God knows
    0197
    1 what in order to be able to --
    2 MR. WOOD: I just wanted to make
    3 damned sure that I would be there in Nebraska
    4 to shred Robert Stratbucker.
    5 MR. HOFFMAN: -- your family
    6 outings --
    7 MR. WOOD: I'm going to eat him
    8 alive. Be there. Be there, okay. Guess
    9 what? I'm going to be at my daughter's horse
    10 show and I'm also going to be in Omaha,
    11 Nebraska to rip Stratbucker a new rear end, and
    12 I bet you what, you aren't going to be there.
    13 You ain't going to bother to be

    14 there, neither is Evan Altman, because you don't
    15 have the money and you're not willing to spend
    16 the money on this frivolous case. You got

    17 that? I'll see you in Omaha. Are you going
    18 to be there or are you going to show up by
    19 telephone?
    20 MR. HOFFMAN: How can I not miss
    21 this invitation to be in Omaha? Okay?
    22 MR. WOOD: You be there. You be

    23 there. I bet you a thousand dollars you won't
    24 be there. Want to bet?
    25 MR. HOFFMAN: Lin --
    0198
    1 MR. WOOD: Because you're afraid to
    2 fly.
    3 MR. HOFFMAN: -- I would never,

    4 never bet you, you know better than that.
    5 MR. WOOD: You're afraid to fly;

    6 aren't you? That's what you told Susan Bennett
    7 -- Jamison.
    8 MR. HOFFMAN: I liked the AirTran to
    9 Atlanta, I told you that when I got there.

    10 MR. WOOD: It looked like you were
    11 scared to death.
    12 MR. HOFFMAN: Only of you, Lin.
    13 You frighten me.
    14 MR. WOOD: Well, that may be the
    15 only smart damned thing you've said since I laid
    16 eyes on you the first time. All right, I've
    17 vented enough.

    18 All I'm saying is this: I don't
    19 intend to sit here and listen to you lecture me
    20 one damned second about how to take a

    21 deposition. I know more about taking
    22 depositions on the thumbnail of my right thumb
    23 than you'll ever learn in your damn life. Do
    24 we understand each other?
    25 MR. HOFFMAN: Lin, I'll just have to
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    1 take your word on that one.
    2 MR. WOOD: You can take the word of

    3 anybody that's ever had the opportunity to go up
    4 against me in a courtroom. I'll talk to people
    5 you've -- if we can find somebody.
    6 MR. HOFFMAN: Lin, this sounds like

    7 rank speculation on your part. Just drop it.
    8 MR. WOOD: Let me tell you
    9 something, if I am lucky enough, you will have
    10 your day with me, sir.
    11 MR. HOFFMAN: Oh, I hope so, and I
    12 hope --
    13 MR. WOOD: And it will be the
    14 pleasure of my career when I take you down, and
    15 that day may yet come because you still run

    16 your mouth to the media so much that you're
    17 going to get yourself sued eventually, you're
    18 going to get your experts sued eventually, so

    19 you just keep the business coming, Darnay. It's
    20 really good for my pocketbook. I'm taking a
    21 recess.
    22 MR. HOFFMAN: I know in this case

    23 that the Ramseys aren't paying a penny, the
    24 insurance company is paying you finally, okay,
    25 which is nice --
    0200
    1 MR. WOOD: Hey, I made more money
    2 handling the Ramsey case than you've made in
    3 your whole damn career practicing law, Darnay.
    4 MR. HOFFMAN: -- instead of settling

    5 for chump change, which you've done in all these
    6 other cases, you're actually getting paid a
    7 decent --
    8 MR. WOOD: I've made more money in
    9 the Ramsey case than you've made in your entire
    10 career as a lawyer, you want to bet on that?

    11 MR. HOFFMAN: You mean you've made
    12 more than a hundred dollars?
    13 MR. WOOD: Yes, I have made for
    14 than a hundred dollars, Darnay.
    15 MR. HOFFMAN: -- in this case.
    16 Well, good.
    17 MR. WOOD: I'd just like to know
    18 the poor person that paid you the hundred

    19 dollars. Maybe we'd have a good legal
    20 malpractice claim.
    21 MR. HOFFMAN: All right. Are we
    22 ready?
    23 MR. RAWLS: Do we want to take a
    24 short recess?
    25 MR. ALTMAN: Maybe we ought to.
     
  2. Spade

    Spade Member

    Fleet White

    Note the reference to darnay's ineptitude in taking Fleet's deposition AND...ex-, with her usual combination of ignorance and mean-spiritedness chides Fleet White for keeping his deposition and darnay's incompetence from the public eye. Wonders never cease.
     
  3. Spade

    Spade Member

    Deposition

    ex- is posting that I will NEVER post Fleet White's deposition in the Wolfe case. She is absolutely right.

    Over the past few years Ms. Spade and I have spent many hours with Fleet and Priscilla White. We have asked each other for information about the Ramsey case that I'm sure all of us have put considerable thought into how to ask the right question in order to receive the information we were seeking. I would be astonished if the Wolfe case deposition contains anything new.
    Speaking for Ms Spade and myself we have tremendous respect for the White family and for the dignity with which they have suffered fools.
     
  4. RiverRat

    RiverRat FFJ Sr. Member Extraordinaire (Pictured at Lef

    Spade

    Isn't Fleet under the same gag order that Linda is under?

    Seeing hows Darnay and Nose-Candy are willing to take the battle to the Supreme Court for Linda.........there should be a little compassion and understanding for Fleet - unless they were another Trojan Horse in the first place.

    Which is my firm belief.
    RR
     
  5. Freebird

    Freebird Active Member


    What a pr!ck. I can't even say how disgusted with the Rams and their money grubbing Attorney I am. I just think of a little 6yr old baby rotting in the ground while these a$$wipes have made a career off her brutal murder.
     
  6. RiverRat

    RiverRat FFJ Sr. Member Extraordinaire (Pictured at Lef

    Joel Steinberg

    Darnays other obsession.

    "As the cops and EMS workers entered the apartment and before they could react to anything else, a man came out of another darkened room. He was carrying a naked child in his arms by the armpits. The child was a little girl, unconscious, bruised and blue. The man said that she had just eaten something and vomited. He told the police he didn’t know what happened to her except that she passed out. Then he said that she had been vomiting since the night before. Cops saw additional bruising and welts on the little girl’s back. She was filthy. Her feet were coal-black and it appeared she hadn’t been bathed in a long, long time.

    In the back of the room, cops saw the dim figure of a baby. When they investigated further, they saw that the infant was lying on the floor and tied to a playpen with a length of rope around his waist. His clothes were soaked with urine and his body was covered with dirt. The female that answered the door was wandering around the apartment, hiding behind doors and rubbing her hands together. Her face had cuts and bruises around her eyes and nose. Her lip was split. Later, when she was examined at Bellevue Hospital, doctors found she had several broken ribs, a fractured jaw, a broken nose and severely ulcerated legs. She claimed all her injuries were the result of a fall."
     
  7. Ilene-Sue

    Ilene-Sue Member

    Lin Wood has again proved what an :(:(:(:(:(:(:( he is!
    The man has no couth and his ego is bigger than a football field.
     
  8. Deja Nu

    Deja Nu Banned

    I've witnessed these kinds of :(:(:(:(ing contests between lawyers before, but never ON the record and ON the client's clock! Shameful, both of them and so UNprofessional.

    To compare the revenue from a civil practice to that of a criminal defense practice is also ridiculous. Until LW went trolling for infamous clients, aka "the damned" like the Rs and Condit, his practice revenue probably wasn't any better than DH's. Egos out of control like this do more damage to a case, and a lawyer's rep, than anything else.
     
  9. LurkerXIV

    LurkerXIV Moderator

    Darnay is pathetic scum.

    He and Lin Wood are the kind of lawyers they write those jokes about.

    They will both end up in the lowest circle of the Inferno, chained to each other for all eternity.
     
  10. Driver

    Driver FFJ Senior Member

    Yep, Lurker you are right.

    Lin Wood's snide comments to Darnay were probably on target. But how typical of a low-classed bully scum-bag ambulance chaser to state them in a legal setting. He exposed as much about himself as he did about Darnay, whose biggest claim to fame, I believe, is that he married the Mayflower Madam.

    Those two (Darnay and Hoffman) are a match made in heaven.

    Lin Wood operates on the pulley system. Knock someone else down to make yourself appear bigger and badder. Well, you just can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. It will still smell like bacon.
     
  11. Ilene-Sue

    Ilene-Sue Member

    Wouldn't you all just love to talk to Lin Wood's 3 ex-wives? LOL
     
  12. LurkerXIV

    LurkerXIV Moderator

    Ilene-Sue

    Get me their names and phone numbers and I'll interview them, passing myself off as a "grass-roots" internet reporter.
     
  13. Voyager

    Voyager Active Member

    RR......

    Your post brought tears to my eyes....The cruelty, the devastation, the shame.....

    How could a jury let the perpetrator of such evil live, much less see the light of day again?

    What kind of person could be willing and capable of defending a murdering, child abusing, wife abusing, drug abusing demon?

    Darnay to the rescue.......
     
  14. Ilene-Sue

    Ilene-Sue Member

    Is this the right one? I am not sure what the L. Lin stands for but he is a Jr.....

    Fulton County, Georgia
    Cause No. E10877

    WOOD VS WOOD

    Hearing Information
    Type: DOMESTIC RELATIONS RULE NISI
    Hearing held on 02/26/1993 (Friday) at 10:00am
    Judge: ELIZABETH E. LONG

    Case Information
    Filed on 01/19/1993
    Case Type: MODIFICATION
    Current Status: Disposed
    Disposition: 01/06/1994 - JUDGMENT

    Defendants
    Defendant Attorneys
    Wood, Lucian Lincoln Jr Colmar, Joyce

    Plaintiffs
    Plaintiff Attorneys
    Wood, Linda Evett Mcalister Koehler, Paul R

    Additional Case Hearings
    08/23/1993 Monday 9:00am DOMESTIC JURY WAIVED TRIAL CALENDAR
    10/19/1993 Tuesday 9:00am CVAA
    11/29/1993 Monday 9:00am DOMESTIC JURY WAIVED TRIAL CALENDAR
     
  15. AK

    AK Member

    Total agreement, DejaNu. It actually pains me to read this.

    Spade, thanks for your wonderful contributions here. It's a tsunami of great information.
     
  16. Spade

    Spade Member

    NY Times

    These quotes are from the NY Times April 23, 2001. LinWad told it like it is, darnay did the Ramsey's a favor by trying to pin the murder on Patsy.

    "I'm in a position to prove who murdered JonBenet," said Darnay
    Hoffman, who in 1996 represented Bernard H. Goetz in civil lawsuits by three of the men he shot in a New York subway in 1984. In the last year, Mr. Hoffman filed two $50 million libel lawsuits against John and Patsy Ramsey on behalf of Christian Wolf, a Boulder resident, and Linda Hoffmann-Pugh, the Ramseys' housekeeper. The Ramseys named both as suspects in their 2000 book.

    At the heart of Mr. Hoffman's case is the Ramsey ransom note, a
    rambling three-page demand that police say was written by the
    killer. Beginning in May, Mr. Hoffman will begin taking depositions
    from key figures, including JonBenet's parents, in efforts to tie
    handwriting similarities — specifically the shape of letters like
    "s," "d" and "n" — to whom he believes is the primary suspect.

    "If I show Patsy is the writer, everything she wrote and said is a
    lie," Mr. Hoffman said, "and we win." As was done in the Simpson
    civil case, he would insist on confiscating the Ramseys' assets. Mr. Hoffman's adversary, though, is L. Lin Wood, who also represents the libel claims of Richard Jewell, who was falsely accused of planting a bomb at the 1996 Olympic Games in Atlanta. Mr. Wood is also aiming to tap the workings of the civil courts for his client's own crusade.

    "Darnay will be, in a backhanded way, doing us a favor and putting whether Patsy killed JonBenet into play," says Mr. Wood, who intends to prove that local authorities had it out for his clients."
     
  17. Elle

    Elle Member

    Children fighting in a schoolyard

    I am reminded here of children fighting in a schoolyard. They are both an insult to their profession.
     
  18. Watching You

    Watching You Superior Bee Admin

    ohmygod

    I actually thought this was a spoof when I read it. This is unbelievable, I was laughing while reading it, thinking someone made it all up. But, then I read the comments afterward and realized it's not a spoof.

    Wood and Hoffmann both acted like babies, totally unprofessional. Wood is an arrogant a$s, but we already knew that. It is beyond the pale that he brags about the money he's made off this case. Has he no couth at all? Since when do attorneys brag about the money they make on cases involving a murdered child? It is sooo tacky. It's sickening.

    I don't think much of Darnay Hoffmann, especially since I found out he's supporting Lisa's tormenter, torturer, and murderer, Steinburg. I do think Darnay was out of his league with Wood. Wood will cut anyone's throat in a heartbeat. His actions and words suggest he could not care less about JonBenet or the Ramseys - he is in it for the money.

    Darnay flubs up cases pro bono.
     
  19. BobC

    BobC Poster of the EON - Fabulous Inimitable Transcript

    You know people with money in the South NEVER talk about having money. NEVER. It's considered low-class to make statements like that. Yes they buy all kinds of expensive homes, boats, yadayadayada but it is a cultural taboo to actually say you have money.

    HOW COMMON AND VULGAR!!!!
     
  20. Watching You

    Watching You Superior Bee Admin

    Not just the south, Bob

    I know many wealthy people, and none of them would dream of speaking of their wealth. Like you say, they may flaunt it with their mansions and gawdy diamonds and flashy cars, but it would be distasteful for them to talk about how much money they have. They are much too refined for that sort of thing. I know a woman who wears three carat diamonds on her fingers and huge diamonds in her ears. She reeks of old money, but she is a gracious and generous woman. She and her husband live in a most gorgeous home on the golf course. She drives a Mercedes sports car, he drives a Jag. They wear designer duds and give tons of money to charities.

    I am nowhere near their league financially, but I have sat down to dinner with these people and had coffee in a diner with them. They would rather eat angleworms than speak of their money. Lin Wood will never be in a class with people of this caliber. He's a back-woods snob.
     
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