Tom Haney & Patsy

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  1. Spade

    Spade Member

    Much of this was left out of the NE book. whether it was edited out by SueSwamp or her source, who knows. This was the 3rd day of the 1998 interview with Patsy. Note the 911 call reference at the end of this segmant. I will put up the rest of the 3rd day in separate posts.

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    1 __________________________________________
    2
    3 IN THE MATTER OF:
    4
    5
    6 INTERVIEW WITH PATSY RAMSEY
    7
    8 __________________________________________
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    12 TRANSCRIPT OF INTERVIEW
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    16 PAGES 581 TO 625
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    21 JUNE 25, 1998 (Continuing)
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    25 TOM HANEY: Okay. Ms. Ramsey, are
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    1 you aware that there had been prior vaginal
    2 intrusion on JonBenet?
    3 PATSY RAMSEY: No, I am not.
    4 Prior to the night she was killed?
    5 TOM HANEY: Correct.
    6 PATSY RAMSEY: No, I am not.
    7 TOM HANEY: Didn't know that?
    8 PATSY RAMSEY: No, I didn't.
    9 TOM HANEY: Does that surprise you?
    10 PATSY RAMSEY: Extremely.
    11 TOM HANEY: Does that shock you?
    12 PATSY RAMSEY: It shocks me.
    13 TOM HANEY: Does it bother you?
    14 PATSY RAMSEY: Yes, it does.
    15 TOM HANEY: Who, how could she have
    16 been violated like that?
    17 PATSY RAMSEY: I don't know. This
    18 is the absolute first time I ever heard that.
    19 TOM HANEY: Take a minute, if you
    20 would, I mean this seems -- you know, you didn't
    21 know that before right now, the 25th, at 2:32?
    22 PATSY RAMSEY: No, I absolutely
    23 did not.
    24 TOM HANEY: Okay. Does--
    25 PATSY RAMSEY: And I would like to
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    1 see where it says that and who reported that.
    2 TOM HANEY: Okay.
    3 PATSY RAMSEY: Do you have that?
    4 TOM HANEY: Well, I don't have it
    5 with us, no. As you can imagine, there is a lot
    6 of material, and we surely didn't bring all the
    7 photos, but--
    8 PATSY RAMSEY: Well, can you find
    9 that?
    10 TOM HANEY: Yeah. Because I think
    11 it's pretty significant?
    12 PATSY RAMSEY: I think it's damn
    13 significant. You know, I am shocked.
    14 ELLIS ARMISTEAD: To be fair, Tom,
    15 that's been a subject of debate in the newspaper
    16 whether or not she represented what is true as a
    17 fact. I don't want you to alarm my client too
    18 much here about whether or not it's absolutely a
    19 fact. I just think that should be mentioned to
    20 be fair to my client.
    21 TOM HANEY: And based on the
    22 reliable medical information that we have at
    23 this point, that is a fact.
    24 PATSY RAMSEY: Now when you say
    25 violated, what are you -- what are you telling
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    1 me here?
    2 TOM HANEY: That there was some
    3 prior vaginal intrusion that something --
    4 something was inserted?
    5 PATSY RAMSEY: Prior to this night
    6 that she was assaulted?
    7 TOM HANEY: That's the--
    8 PATSY RAMSEY: What report as -- I
    9 want to see, I want to see what you're talking
    10 about here. I am -- I am -- I don't -- I am
    11 shocked.
    12 TOM HANEY: Well, that's one of the
    13 things that's been bothering us about the case.
    14 PATSY RAMSEY: No damn kidding.
    15 TOM HANEY: What does that tell
    16 you?
    17 PATSY RAMSEY: It doesn't tell me
    18 anything. I mean, I knew -- I -- I --
    19 TOM HANEY: Okay, for a second --
    20 PATSY RAMSEY: Did you know about
    21 this?
    22 ELLIS ARMISTEAD: I tried to stay
    23 out of the making of the record and inserting
    24 myself into the tape-recording of this
    25 interview. The newspapers have talked about
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    1 this. Whether or not--
    2 PATSY RAMSEY: Well, they talk
    3 about a lot of things that are not true.
    4 ELLIS ARMISTEAD: And there has
    5 been a debate among the people who talked about
    6 the findings in the autopsy report as to whether
    7 there was a prior vaginal intrusion or not. So
    8 when you ask, either Tom or me or Trip or
    9 Jennifer, did we know that, there has been a
    10 debate about that. Even in the newspaper.
    11 PATSY RAMSEY: Well, I do not know
    12 of anything and I am very distressed about this.
    13 TOM HANEY: Who could have done
    14 such a thing?
    15 PATSY RAMSEY: I do not know. I
    16 don't have any idea.
    17 TOM HANEY: What is your best
    18 guess?
    19 PATSY RAMSEY: I couldn't begin to
    20 guess. I am shocked. I don't have any idea. I
    21 am just -- I can't believe, I just can't believe
    22 this.
    23 TOM HANEY: Would that knowledge
    24 change your answer to any question that you have
    25 been asked?
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    1 PATSY RAMSEY: No, sir. I have
    2 answered every question you or anyone else has
    3 asked me to the best of my ability.
    4 TOM HANEY: Would that answer or
    5 would that statement, that information, would
    6 that lead you in any particular direction?
    7 Would you think about a particular person being
    8 involved or doing something, with JonBenet?
    9 PATSY RAMSEY: I don't -- I
    10 don't -- I just am shocked is all I can say. I
    11 don't -- I don't know what I think. You know, I
    12 just want to see where it says that.
    13 TOM HANEY: And prior to today, had
    14 you heard or read or seen anything about--
    15 PATSY RAMSEY: I had heard that
    16 the night she was killed that she may have
    17 had -- have been sexually assaulted. But not
    18 prior to that. Absolutely.
    19 TOM HANEY: Have you ever suffered
    20 any physical abuse?
    21 PATSY RAMSEY: Absolutely not.
    22 TOM HANEY: In childhood, you know,
    23 dating, your adult life?
    24 PATSY RAMSEY: (NO AUDIBLE
    25 RESPONSE).
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    1 TOM HANEY: How about sexual abuse?
    2 PATSY RAMSEY: (NO AUDIBLE
    3 RESPONSE).
    4 TOM HANEY: How about anybody in
    5 your family ever suffered any physical abuse?
    6 PATSY RAMSEY: Not to my
    7 knowledge.
    8 TOM HANEY: Your sisters?
    9 PATSY RAMSEY: Not to my
    10 knowledge.
    11 TOM HANEY: Sexual abuse, have they
    12 ever confided in you that--
    13 PATSY RAMSEY: No. No. What's
    14 this got to do with JonBenet?
    15 TOM HANEY: What it has to do with
    16 first of all, is, whether or not you have ever
    17 really discussed things like this with people or
    18 somebody has confided in you?
    19 PATSY RAMSEY: No.
    20 TOM HANEY: A friend . And I
    21 mentioned your sisters, you have two, correct?
    22 What was your relationship with them growing up?
    23 PATSY RAMSEY: Very close.
    24 TOM HANEY: How -- what are your
    25 ages, how close are you?
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    1 PATSY RAMSEY: I am two and a half
    2 years older than my next sister and --
    3 TOM HANEY: Which is?
    4 PATSY RAMSEY: Pam.
    5 TOM HANEY: And--
    6 PATSY RAMSEY: Seven years older
    7 than Paulette.
    8 TOM HANEY: Okay. But you guys
    9 were all raised together?
    10 PATSY RAMSEY: Yes.
    11 TOM HANEY: Spend a lot of time
    12 together?
    13 PATSY RAMSEY: Yes.
    14 TOM HANEY: Were all of you
    15 involved in pageants at an early age?
    16 PATSY RAMSEY: No.
    17 TOM HANEY: Okay. Were the other
    18 two?
    19 PATSY RAMSEY: Pam was, Ms. West
    20 Virginia two years after I was, or three.
    21 Paulette was not.
    22 TOM HANEY: Did Paulette have any
    23 problem with pageants or object to 'em or just--
    24 PATSY RAMSEY: She was a swimmer.
    25 TOM HANEY: Okay, so that just
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    1 wasn't her thing?
    2 PATSY RAMSEY: Right.
    3 TOM HANEY: In growing up, were all
    4 of you treated pretty much the same?
    5 PATSY RAMSEY: As far as I could
    6 tell.
    7 TOM HANEY: No favorite? Youngest,
    8 oldest?
    9 PATSY RAMSEY: Not from my
    10 perspective, no.
    11 TOM HANEY: And growing up, what
    12 was your socio-economic status?
    13 PATSY RAMSEY: We lived in a very
    14 nice neighborhood, drove nice new cars. I
    15 thought we had everything. You know, I don't --
    16 I have never --
    17 TOM HANEY: Never wanted for
    18 things?
    19 PATSY RAMSEY: Never.
    20 TOM HANEY: Okay, able to travel
    21 and--
    22 PATSY RAMSEY: Take vacations.
    23 TOM HANEY: Go out?
    24 PATSY RAMSEY: Whatever.
    25 TOM HANEY: The morning of the
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    1 26th, you pick up the phone, call 911. Do you
    2 remember, and we talked before, the
    3 conversation?
    4 PATSY RAMSEY: I am sure you must
    5 have it on there.
    6 TOM HANEY: Absolutely we do. So
    7 you know that the telephone calls to the Boulder
    8 police department are tape-recorded?
    9 PATSY RAMSEY: I would not have.
    10 TOM HANEY: I think they are. In
    11 fact, they are recorded from the time that
    12 connection is made until it's broken and that
    13 isn't to say if you stop talking that that's the
    14 end of it.
    15 PATSY RAMSEY: Okay.
    16 TOM HANEY: The morning of the
    17 26th, you called the Boulder police department,
    18 you talked to a dispatcher.
    19 PATSY RAMSEY: I guess if that's
    20 where it goes, that's where I called.
    21 TOM HANEY: Correct. And when you
    22 stopped talking, there was a time that was tape-
    23 recorded for a few seconds where there was some
    24 additional conversation, conversation at your
    25 house?
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    1 PATSY RAMSEY: By whom?
    2 TOM HANEY: That's what I am going
    3 to ask you.
    4 PATSY RAMSEY: I mean John Ramsey
    5 was down on the floor reading the note. I was
    6 frantically calling 911. I have to hear it to
    7 know what you're talking about.
    8 TOM HANEY: Was there any
    9 conversation immediately following your last
    10 word to the dispatcher?
    11 PATSY RAMSEY: I don't remember.
    12 I was out of my mind, my child was missing. I
    13 was trying to convey that to the person on the
    14 other end of the line, okay. I don't remember.
    15 If you have it on tape and you would like me to
    16 hear it, I will listen to it, see if that jogs
    17 my memory.
    18 TOM HANEY: It is on tape.
    19 PATSY RAMSEY: All right.
    20 All right. If you have got the
    21 tape we can play it, I will try to help you. I
    22 can't remember what's in the (INAUDIBLE).
     
  2. Spade

    Spade Member

    Tom Haney

    23 TOM HANEY: When was JonBenet's
    24 birthday?
    25 PATSY RAMSEY: August 6, 1990.
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    1 TOM HANEY: When is the last time
    2 that you visited the graveside?
    3 PATSY RAMSEY: About a month ago.
    4 TOM HANEY: Do you go on a regular
    5 basis or--
    6 PATSY RAMSEY: No.
    7 TOM HANEY: Frequent?
    8 PATSY RAMSEY: Not as frequently
    9 as I would like.
    10 TOM HANEY: Did you go on
    11 particular days?
    12 PATSY RAMSEY: No.
    13 TOM HANEY: Would you go on her
    14 birthday or the anniversary of her death or --
    15 PATSY RAMSEY: Probably not,
    16 because there is a bunch of idiots out there
    17 waiting for me to show up. It's a very personal
    18 time and I don't care to be photographed at my
    19 child's gravesite.
    20 TOM HANEY: We talked yesterday or
    21 the day before too about I told you of a
    22 personal experience of being a policeman, people
    23 tend to lie to me and you told me a few minutes
    24 ago that you're telling me everything that you
    25 know about.
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    1 PATSY RAMSEY: That's correct.
    2 TOM HANEY: Okay. And that's all
    3 been truthful?
    4 PATSY RAMSEY: Yes, sir.
    5 TOM HANEY: And I told you then
    6 that I wouldn't lie to you. And I don't have
    7 any reason to lie to you.
    8 PATSY RAMSEY: Great.
    9 TOM HANEY: And I didn't lie to you
    10 about the information, this medical information
    11 that I told you about.
    12 PATSY RAMSEY: Okay, this is very
    13 hurtful.
    14 TOM HANEY: I know that. And if I
    15 told you right now that we have in the process
    16 of being examined trace evidence that appears to
    17 link you to the death of JonBenet, what would
    18 you tell me?
    19 PATSY RAMSEY: That's totally
    20 incredible. (INAUDIBLE).
    21 TOM HANEY: How is it impossible?
    22 PATSY RAMSEY: I did not kill my
    23 child. I didn't have a thing to do with it.
    24 TOM HANEY: And I am not talking,
    25 you know, somebody's guess or some rumor or some
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    1 story.
    2 PATSY RAMSEY: I don't care what
    3 you're talking about.
    4 TOM HANEY: I am talking about
    5 scientific evidence.
    6 PATSY RAMSEY: I don't give a damn
    7 how scientific it is, go back to the damn
    8 drawing board. I didn't do it. John Ramsey
    9 didn't do it and we didn't have a clue of
    10 anybody who did do it. So we all got to be
    11 working together from this day forward to try to
    12 find out who the hell did it.
    13 I mean, I appreciate being here. I
    14 appreciate it, it's very hard to be here. It is
    15 a damn sight harder to be sitting at home in
    16 Atlanta, Georgia wondering every second of every
    17 day what you guys are doing out here, you know;
    18 have you found anything, are we any closer, is
    19 the guy out here watching my house.
    20 You know, it's -- my life has been
    21 hell from that day forward. And I want nothing
    22 more than to find out who is responsible for
    23 this. Okay. I mean, I want to work with you,
    24 not against you. Okay.
    25 This child was the most precious
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    1 thing in my life, and I can't stand the thought
    2 thinking somebody's out there walking on the
    3 street, God knows what, molest some other child.
    4 Quit screwing around asking me things that are
    5 ridiculous and let's find the person, let's end
    6 that this.
    7 (INAUDIBLE CONVERSATION HAD OFF THE
    8 RECORD.)
    9 TOM HANEY: Do you feel any guilt
    10 over the death?
    11 PATSY RAMSEY: I wish I had had a
    12 big dog in my house. I wish I had used my
    13 security system. All stuff like that.
    14 TOM HANEY: Are there other things
    15 that you think you could have done or might have
    16 done to protect JonBenet?
    17 PATSY RAMSEY: Those are the
    18 biggest ones. I mean, you know, it's pretty
    19 damn sad that you can't go to sleep at night in
    20 your own house. Safely.
    21 TOM HANEY: What have you
    22 personally done to try to find the killer?
    23 PATSY RAMSEY: I hired all these
    24 people. I have, we have a reward out, you know.
    25 TOM HANEY: How much is the reward?
    0595
    1 PATSY RAMSEY: A hundred thousand
    2 dollars.
    3 TOM HANEY: Do you remember when
    4 that was posted?
    5 PATSY RAMSEY: That was posted
    6 very soon afterwards.
    7 TOM HANEY: Could you tell me why
    8 you didn't cooperate with the Boulder police?
    9 And I know that there were some problems, but
    10 tell me in your own words, what happened, where
    11 was the breakdown.
    12 ELLIS ARMISTEAD: You know, I
    13 resent the word that she failed to cooperate so
    14 much that I want that to appear on whatever
    15 transcript is made. I do not feel that
    16 Mrs. Ramsey failed to cooperate with the Boulder
    17 Police Department and I want that to appear on
    18 whatever record is made of this.
    19 MR. HANEY: Okay.
    20 PATSY RAMSEY: I don't feel that I
    21 failed to cooperate with the police. I mean, I
    22 called them the morning that my child was
    23 missing. You know, I didn't call the fire
    24 department, I didn't call the security company
    25 or Ellis Armistead. I called the Boulder Police
    0596
    1 Department, okay. They were in my home from
    2 early morning until days later, I understand.
    3 They asked me questions. I told them everything
    4 that I could do to help them. I had no idea
    5 that we would ever be even remotely accused of
    6 being involved in this.
    7 TOM HANEY: Okay. And maybe that's
    8 where we need to clarify this. Was that the
    9 source of this friction, that they had accused
    10 you or you felt accused?
    11 PATSY RAMSEY: I, the first -- my
    12 first knowledge of the fact that I was being
    13 considered to be -- to have been involved in
    14 this was when I was in Atlanta, and we were
    15 going to go down to see Nan (phonetic) to talk
    16 about, and I remember saying we have to thank
    17 everyone that has sent us these wonderful cards
    18 and la-de-da de-da, and a friend of mine was --
    19 I was in the bathroom getting ready and she said
    20 I have to tell you something. She said they are
    21 going to ask you if you were involved in
    22 JonBenet's death. Because she said there are
    23 some people out there that think that you may
    24 have did it. And I was just appalled. I
    25 couldn't (INAUDIBLE) -- I just couldn't
    0597
    1 (INAUDIBLE).
    2 TOM HANEY: Okay, and what didn't
    3 you understand? I know that you're not a police
    4 officer and not used to dealing with this, but
    5 what did -- what didn't you understand?
    6 PATSY RAMSEY: I couldn't imagine
    7 that anyone would think that I would or John
    8 Ramsey would have anything to do with this. It
    9 was just inconceivable to me.
    10 TOM HANEY: And why is that?
    11 PATSY RAMSEY: Why would it be? I
    12 mean --
    13 TOM HANEY: Okay, you read the
    14 newspapers?
    15 PATSY RAMSEY: I do.
    16 TOM HANEY: Okay?
    17 PATSY RAMSEY: I did. I don't
    18 now.
    19 TOM HANEY: Okay, prior to this,
    20 there was a lady Susan Smith back southeast
    21 somewhere, drove the car in the lake with her
    22 two children. Whom did you suspect right off
    23 the bat?
    24 PATSY RAMSEY: You know, I really
    25 hadn't followed that that much, until I mean, I
    0598
    1 think I mentioned this incident in the CNN
    2 interview, because my friend that took me in the
    3 bathroom and said hey, guess what, because I
    4 looked at her and I said, I can't -- what do you
    5 mean and she said, she said it like this just
    6 isn't thing (INAUDIBLE).
    7 You know, people, she said she
    8 didn't do it and she did do it, so they
    9 immediately are suspecting the parents. And I
    10 was --
    11 TOM HANEY: Right, okay. And in
    12 fact she did do it?
    13 PATSY RAMSEY: She did.
    14 TOM HANEY: Okay. And I think you
    15 have been or somebody from the family or the
    16 attorneys contacted John Douglas, the guy that
    17 wrote the profiler book, former FBI profiler,
    18 and he talks about this was somebody who was
    19 familiar with the house, close to the family,
    20 had been there. You know, a lot of things like
    21 that.
    22 PATSY RAMSEY: Right.
    23 TOM HANEY: So where does that lead
    24 the police? I mean what's the most logical
    25 place to start?
     
  3. Spade

    Spade Member

    More Haney

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    1 PATSY RAMSEY: I don't know. I
    2 mean (INAUDIBLE).
    3 TOM HANEY: Okay. But dis--
    4 PATSY RAMSEY: All I am saying is
    5 I took great offense to that, and was devastated
    6 to think that anybody would think that about me,
    7 me or my husband.
    8 TOM HANEY: Okay. From a police
    9 perspective or an investigative standpoint, you
    10 don't start out in left field, you start at home
    11 plate.
    12 PATSY RAMSEY: Okay.
    13 TOM HANEY: And you go from there.
    14 PATSY RAMSEY: All right.
    15 TOM HANEY: Because on the night of
    16 the 25th, there were four people in that house?
    17 PATSY RAMSEY: What?
    18 TOM HANEY: I am saying when you
    19 went to bed there were four people?
    20 PATSY RAMSEY: We don't know that.
    21 TOM HANEY: What do you think?
    22 PATSY RAMSEY: I have always
    23 thought that perhaps while we were gone, that
    24 the person or persons came into the house and
    25 were there when we got back.
    0600
    1 TOM HANEY: What makes you think
    2 that?
    3 PATSY RAMSEY: Because we were
    4 gone several hours, and they could have had
    5 their way with the house. Have known where
    6 flashlights were, where pads of paper were,
    7 where bibles were, where Christmas cards were,
    8 where -- you know. If we are gone three or four
    9 hours. No one knows for sure.
    10 TOM HANEY: Well, somebody knows?
    11 PATSY RAMSEY: Somebody knows,
    12 you're damn right somebody knows, and I want to
    13 find that.
    14 TOM HANEY: Let's just stay with
    15 your theory for a minute here. This thing that
    16 you mentioned, whether it's a theory or not.
    17 PATSY RAMSEY: Uh-hum.
    18 TOM HANEY: That while you're gone
    19 to the Whites somebody comes in?
    20 PATSY RAMSEY: Uh-hum.
    21 TOM HANEY: When you come home from
    22 the Whites, do you notice different lights on,
    23 do you notice doors open that weren't open?
    24 PATSY RAMSEY: No.
    25 TOM HANEY: Okay, do you know--
    0601
    1 PATSY RAMSEY:
    2 (MULTIPLE SPEAKERS.)
    3 TOM HANEY: I am not badgering?
    4 PATSY RAMSEY:
    5 TOM HANEY: Except not in this way,
    6 I mean when --
    7 (MULTIPLE SPEAKERS.)
    8 TOM HANEY: That night when you
    9 came?
    10 PATSY RAMSEY: We haven't but
    11 other people have.
    12 TOM HANEY: Okay, and again both of
    13 us haven't been privy to everything the other
    14 one's done.
    15 PATSY RAMSEY: All right.
    16 TOM HANEY: Okay. Anything out of
    17 place then? Would anything have caught your
    18 eye?
    19 PATSY RAMSEY: If it had, by God
    20 you would have known it before today. I laid
    21 awake nights trying to recall this.
    22 TOM HANEY: So is there anything in
    23 the evidence that you're aware of that gives any
    24 credence to that thought?
    25 PATSY RAMSEY: I haven't seen all
    0602
    1 the evidence. I mean I appreciate having seen
    2 what I have seen for the past two days, if we
    3 keep doing that, or three or whatever we have
    4 been going, it's hard, it's emotionally hard but
    5 I am ready, bring it on, let me see, maybe there
    6 is, maybe Ellis or some of these people could
    7 that we have all been studying this for a year
    8 and a half would turn the light bulb on, you
    9 know. But we can't do it if we are going like
    10 this.
    11 TOM HANEY: That's right, we can't
    12 do it if we are over here and here?
    13 PATSY RAMSEY: You're so right,
    14 that's why I am here. I said I would come back
    15 to Colorado for two reasons, one to do exactly
    16 what I am doing so that you guys night and day
    17 and night and day and night and day if you want
    18 me to to help catch this person for a trial.
    19 Send the guy up the river that did this
    20 (INAUDIBLE).
    21 TOM HANEY: And--
    22 PATSY RAMSEY: I invited your
    23 people, are you (INAUDIBLE) -- you're a
    24 compatriot .
    25 VOICE: Thank you, I am a kind of a
    0603
    1 (INAUDIBLE).
    2 (MULTIPLE SPEAKERS.)
    3 PATSY RAMSEY: I invited them to
    4 my home, you know, in that manner, declined. I
    5 mean I have tried. To get them here before.
    6 TOM HANEY: We have discussed
    7 another possible theory, that somebody got in.
    8 How about the theory that this was an accident?
    9 PATSY RAMSEY: (INAUDIBLE).
    10 TOM HANEY: That somewhere during
    11 the night between the time you guys got home,
    12 ten-ish, and one, two in the morning, and I am
    13 just kind of narrowing it down there because we
    14 have a screen and we have partially digested
    15 food and things like that between those times
    16 was we will say that JonBenet got up and
    17 somebody in that house legally lawfully in that
    18 house, wasn't the three of you also happened to
    19 be up or get up because she makes a noise, and
    20 there is some discussion or something happens,
    21 there is an accident, somebody--
    22 PATSY RAMSEY: You're on the wrong
    23 path, buddy.
    24 TOM HANEY: Somebody accidentally
    25 or somebody gets upset over bedwetting, that's
    0604
    1 one of the things that's been proposed. Okay.
    2 PATSY RAMSEY: (INAUDIBLE) if she
    3 got up in the night and ran into somebody, there
    4 was somebody there that wasn't supposed to be
    5 there. I don't know what transpired after that,
    6 whether it was an accident, intentional,
    7 premeditated or what not. There was not one of
    8 her three family members that were also in that
    9 house, period, end of statement.
    10 If you want to, you know, keep
    11 talking on a dream like this.
    12 ELLIS ARMISTEAD: Don't say that,
    13 he might take you up on that.
    14 PATSY RAMSEY: Well, you're not
    15 keeping me here, is what I am saying. You know,
    16 there has been 101 theories out there by every
    17 Globe, tabloid, piece of blankety-blank trash
    18 coming and going, and I hope to heaven there is
    19 some evidence somewhere, you know, that has more
    20 sense to it than what these idiots out there are
    21 writing in the tabloid trash, okay.
    22 TOM HANEY: And they can write
    23 whatever they want?
    24 PATSY RAMSEY: They sure as hell
    25 can, and it doesn't bother me one bit.
    0605
    1 TOM HANEY: Then we can get--
    2 PATSY RAMSEY: Let's get off it.
    3 TOM HANEY: That will work.
    4 PATSY RAMSEY: That will work with
    5 me.
    6 TOM HANEY: Tell me what secrets do
    7 you keep from John?
    8 You're hysterical, John is cool,
    9 calm, he's the CEO, he's down there studying
    10 this note on the floor?
    11 PATSY RAMSEY: Probably not
    12 studying. Cool and calm.
    13 TOM HANEY: Okay. He wasn't
    14 emotionally upset like you as far as screaming
    15 and hysterical?
    16 PATSY RAMSEY: He is emotional.
    17 TOM HANEY: Okay. He was more
    18 composed though at least at that point?
    19 PATSY RAMSEY: There weren't a
    20 bunch of people is there in the house yet. I
    21 was talking to the 911 person. So I don't know
    22 what conversation.
    23 TOM HANEY: Were only your family
    24 in the house at that time?
    25 PATSY RAMSEY: Correct. Burke was
    0606
    1 upstairs asleep. John was here on the floor in
    2 his underwear looking at the note, I was on the
    3 floor calling 911. I mean you play it for me, I
    4 will try to do my best.
    5 TOM HANEY: And like I said, you
    6 know, I can't right at this moment.
    7 PATSY RAMSEY: Okay, well.
    8 TOM HANEY: But I am sure that down
    9 the road that's something that everybody would
    10 like to see be done.
    11 PATSY RAMSEY: Well, then it's too
    12 hard for me to speculate with that.
    13 TOM HANEY: You don't recall?
    14 PATSY RAMSEY: No.
    15 TOM HANEY: We started off Tuesday
    16 and we talked about you making that 911 call.
    17 And now I am going to take it in little
    18 different context. Again back to the question I
    19 had at the time. You're hysterical. John is
    20 cool, calm, he's the CEO, he's down there
    21 studying this note on the floor?
    22 PATSY RAMSEY: Probably not
    23 studying. Cool and calm.
    24 TOM HANEY: Okay. He wasn't
    25 emotionally upset like you as far as screaming
    0607
    1 and hysterical?
    2 PATSY RAMSEY: He is emotional and
    3 (INAUDIBLE).
    4 TOM HANEY: Okay. He was more
    5 composed though, at least at that point?
    6 PATSY RAMSEY: I don't know.
    7 TOM HANEY: Okay. Just seems odd--
    8 PATSY RAMSEY: He was on the
    9 floor, I am on the phone.
    10 TOM HANEY: Seems odd that he would
    11 tell you to call the cops.
    12 PATSY RAMSEY: Why? Why is that
    13 odd?
    14 TOM HANEY: Well because, like I
    15 said, he seems to be in a little more control.
    16 PATSY RAMSEY: Yeah well, at that
    17 moment in time, nobody was in any kind of
    18 control. When you wake up at the crack of dawn
    19 and your child is not in the bed that you put
    20 them in the night before, you are not in
    21 control. Okay?
    22 TOM HANEY: Okay.
    23 PATSY RAMSEY: Now, I don't know
    24 who is more or less in or out of control. But
    25 you do what you feel like you need to do at the
    0608
    1 time, and whoever -- you know, it's not the time
    2 to sit down and write out the script. I will
    3 read, you call. You know. You just do it.
    4 TOM HANEY: And in the note and at
    5 that point you had only read like the first
    6 paragraph that says we have your daughter, small
    7 foreign faction, there were instructions in the
    8 letter, things like that?
    9 PATSY RAMSEY: I don't know about
    10 that far. I read up to where we have your
    11 daughter.
    12 TOM HANEY: I have got a copy here
    13 and I highlighted a bunch of things, some we
    14 will talk about and some we won't, okay, but it
    15 start off, "Mr. Ramsey," which I think for a
    16 kidnapper is pretty polite. Do you find that at
    17 all unusual?
    18 PATSY RAMSEY: I find this whole
    19 thing unusual, okay.
    20 TOM HANEY: Okay. How about the
    21 practice note or this other writing on this
    22 other page that starts off Mr. and Mrs.?
    23 PATSY RAMSEY: (INAUDIBLE).
    24 TOM HANEY: Okay. Again--
    25 PATSY RAMSEY: I don't know.
    0609
    1 TOM HANEY: It seems a little
    2 weird?
    3 PATSY RAMSEY: It does, the whole
    4 thing seems weird.
    5 TOM HANEY: Okay, the fact that the
    6 tablet was one that was there in the house?
    7 PATSY RAMSEY: Uh-hum.
    8 TOM HANEY: I think we are all in
    9 agreement on that?
    10 PATSY RAMSEY: Okay.
    11 TOM HANEY: The Sharpy pen was from
    12 your house?
    13 PATSY RAMSEY: Are you sure about
    14 that?
    15 TOM HANEY: Well, I am not
    16 completely sure, but I am pretty sure.
    17 PATSY RAMSEY: Because?
    18 TOM HANEY: Because of testing, but
    19 I couldn't swear to that at this moment. I had
    20 not read every bit of laboratory studies.
    21 PATSY RAMSEY: Every Sharpy pen
    22 alike? I mean, I don't know.
    23 TOM HANEY: No, I mean obviously
    24 things, you know, produced at different times
    25 are different, but sometimes batches and
    0610
    1 sometimes individual things. But anyway --
    2 PATSY RAMSEY: But the tablet was
    3 from my house?
    4 TOM HANEY: But we are pretty sure.
    5 PATSY RAMSEY: Okay.
    6 TOM HANEY: Now this is a pretty
    7 polite kidnapper to write Mr. or Mr. and Mrs..
    8 But they are not too well prepared, because they
    9 didn't bring -- I got here, I forgot my pen. So
    10 they find the tablet and write the note.
    11 PATSY RAMSEY: Uh-hum.
    12 TOM HANEY: Now, as you're reading
    13 through it, "we have your daughter." Now you
    14 said that that kind of set off a (INAUDIBLE)?
    15 PATSY RAMSEY: Right.
    16 TOM HANEY: She is safe and
    17 unharmed. But follow our instructions to the
    18 letter. About that time, you kind of go
    19 upstairs.
    20 PATSY RAMSEY: (INAUDIBLE).
    21 TOM HANEY: So at some later point,
    22 you read more of it?
    23 PATSY RAMSEY: I glanced at it,
    24 yeah.
    25 TOM HANEY: Okay, and I think you
    0611
    1 said you observed that it said 118,000?
    2 PATSY RAMSEY: Uh-hum.
    3 TOM HANEY: And what is that to
    4 you?
    5 PATSY RAMSEY: That seemed like a
    6 very unusual amount of money. But if it was
    7 somebody interested in Access-related, they
    8 would have asked for a lot more money than that.
    9 TOM HANEY: First of all, it's kind
    10 of an unusual amount?
    11 PATSY RAMSEY: It's an unusual
    12 amount.
    13 TOM HANEY: Plus kind of like
    14 winning the lottery, who wants to win a little
    15 lottery, you want to win the 10 million?
    16 PATSY RAMSEY: Exactly.
    17 TOM HANEY: What would a 118,000 be
    18 to you guys, the price of a new sailboat?
    19 PATSY RAMSEY: Right.
    20 TOM HANEY: Insignificant pay--
    21 PATSY RAMSEY: Well, not --
    22 (MULTIPLE SPEAKERS.)
    23 PATSY RAMSEY: A sum of money, but
    24 I would -- you know, it would just seem like
    25 especially somebody that made reference to
    0612
    1 business and all that, you know, they would be
    2 knowledgeable that Access had just made a
    3 million -- a billion dollar year something, I
    4 mean why would you piddle around with 118
    5 thousand dollars. So it just seemed unusual to
    6 me.
    7 TOM HANEY: Then in the middle of
    8 the next paragraph it says bring an adequate
    9 psych (sic) attache. Adequate size attache.
    10 Again we have a pretty polite kidnapper. The
    11 delivery will be exhausting, they are preparing
    12 somebody for all this. Again, unlike any other
    13 ransom note that I have ever seen.
    14 PATSY RAMSEY: (INAUDIBLE).
    15 TOM HANEY: Well, I have seen a
    16 few. Now we start getting into, okay, immediate
    17 execution your daughter depends her remains for
    18 proper burial. Two gentlemen will be watching
    19 her. Police, FBI, your daughter will be
    20 beheaded --
    21 (NOTE: DUE TO INAUDIBILITY, THE
    22 TRANSCRIBER HAD TO REPEAT THE TAPE AND IS
    23 REPEATING IT HERE FOR CLARITY.)
    24 So they find a tablet and write the
    25 note. Now, as you're reading through it, we
    0613
    1 have your daughter, now you said that that kind
    2 of set off a more--
    3 PATSY RAMSEY: You're right.
    4 TOM HANEY: She is safe and
    5 unharmed. But follow our instructions to the
    6 letter. About that time, you kind of go
    7 upstairs.
    8 PATSY RAMSEY: (INAUDIBLE).
    9 TOM HANEY: So at some later point,
    10 you read more of it?
    11 PATSY RAMSEY: I glanced at it,
    12 yes.
    13 TOM HANEY: Okay. And I think you
    14 said you observed that it said 118,000?
    15 PATSY RAMSEY: Uh-hum.
    16 TOM HANEY: Okay, and what is that
    17 to you?
    18 PATSY RAMSEY: It seems like a
    19 very unusual amount of money. But if it was
    20 somebody interested in Access, related, they
    21 would have asked for a lot more money than that.
    22 TOM HANEY: First of all it's kind
    23 of an unusual amount?
    24 PATSY RAMSEY: It's an unusual
    25 amount.
    0614
    1 TOM HANEY: Right. Plus, you know,
    2 it's kind of like winning the lottery. I mean
    3 who wants to win just a little lottery, you kind
    4 of want to win the 10 million?
    5 PATSY RAMSEY: Right, exactly.
    6 TOM HANEY: What would 118,000 be
    7 to you guys, the price of a new sailboat?
    8 PATSY RAMSEY: Right.
    9 TOM HANEY: Insignificant, paid--
    10 PATSY RAMSEY: No, not -- I mean,
    11 not a large sum of money, but I mean, I would
    12 you know, it would just seem like especially
    13 somebody that made reference to business and all
    14 that, you know, they would be knowledgeable that
    15 Access had just made a million -- billion dollar
    16 year something, I mean why would you piddle
    17 around with $118,000. You know. So it just
    18 seemed unusual to me.
    19 TOM HANEY: Then in the middle of
    20 the next paragraph it says bring an adequate
    21 psyched attache or size. Adequate size attache.
    22 Again we have get a pretty polite kidnapper?
    23 PATSY RAMSEY: Uh-hum.
    24 TOM HANEY: The delivery will be
    25 exhausting, they are preparing somebody for all
    0615
    1 this. And again, unlike any of the other ransom
    2 note that I have ever seen.
    3 PATSY RAMSEY: I have never seen a
    4 ransom note.
    5 TOM HANEY: Well, I have seen a
    6 few. Now we start getting, okay, immediate
    7 execution of your daughter. Denied her remains
    8 for proper burial. Two gentlemen will be
    9 watching her. Police, FBI, your daughter will
    10 be beheaded if she -- if she dies, she dies, she
    11 dies, 99 percent chance of killing her. You get
    12 through all of that?
    13 PATSY RAMSEY: No, I didn't
    14 (INAUDIBLE). You know, I caught a few of those
    15 words but I just couldn't -- (INAUDIBLE). I
    16 couldn't seem to go there.
    17 TOM HANEY: But still you call the
    18 police?
    19 PATSY RAMSEY: Yes, sir.
    20 TOM HANEY: Did you and John have
    21 any discussion though about all of these
    22 admonitions in this letter?
    23 ELLIS ARMISTEAD: You mean other
    24 than what she's talked about before?
    25 TOM HANEY: I think what we are
    0616
    1 talking about here, about the, you know,
    2 daughter --
    3 (MULTIPLE SPEAKERS.)
    4 TOM HANEY: The admonitions--
    5 PATSY RAMSEY: We didn't go over
    6 this together, no.
    7 TOM HANEY: I mean all this
    8 happened so fast. I mean, you know, you're just
    9 out of your mind. You know, when you're -- I
    10 mean I got the lady on the phone, or man,
    11 whatever it was, said help, come over here.
    12 Why do you think they did say Mr.
    13 and Mrs. Ramsey then said Mr. only?
    14 TOM HANEY: Well, I think it's
    15 pretty bizarre. That kind of indicates some
    16 respect, a Mr..
    17 PATSY RAMSEY: Yeah. So why would
    18 they have had Mr. and Mrs. on one and then not
    19 use it on --
    20 TOM HANEY: They seemed to change
    21 their focus. Whoever it is or is this all part
    22 of this elaborate cover-up, because if you go to
    23 all this trouble to get in and bring maybe some
    24 items, you forget others, and the whole goal, I
    25 would imagine, with the kidnapping for ransom is
    0617
    1 A, to take the collateral with you, so that B,
    2 you can collect your money.
    3 PATSY RAMSEY: (INAUDIBLE).
    4 TOM HANEY: And they leave the
    5 collateral.
    6 PATSY RAMSEY: Uh-hum.
    7 TOM HANEY: But they leave a note
    8 too?
    9 PATSY RAMSEY: Uh-hum.
    10 TOM HANEY: Which again some of
    11 what John Douglas, all what the current
    12 profilers, everybody that's looked at it, that's
    13 what the indication is, somebody (INAUDIBLE)?
    14 PATSY RAMSEY: (INAUDIBLE).
    15 TOM HANEY: Of course.
    16 PATSY RAMSEY: Well, (INAUDIBLE).
    17 (THE TAPE IS JUMPING AND TOTALLY
    18 INAUDIBLE AT THIS POINT).
     
  4. Spade

    Spade Member

    Continuation to end

    19 TOM HANEY: Uh-hum. You and John
    20 have been totally supportive of each other
    21 throughout this whole thing. At least in the
    22 interviews that I have seen, we discussed
    23 yesterday how there is this perception that you
    24 haven't really been at least close but you seem
    25 to (INAUDIBLE) --
    0618
    1 PATSY RAMSEY: Perception, yeah.
    2 TOM HANEY: Well, there is the
    3 perception, I think we talked about it at the
    4 house that day, with the cops observed that you
    5 guys aren't spending time together, he is in one
    6 room on the phone, things like that.
    7 PATSY RAMSEY: It was hardly a
    8 social. The man was trying to do everything in
    9 his power to get this child back. All right?
    10 He was calling to get money, fast. He was
    11 working with Linda Arndt and company with
    12 getting wires, phone taps, know. I was praying.
    13 We were both doing what we do best.
    14 TOM HANEY: It does seem odd though
    15 that in talking with you, that you and John
    16 haven't spent an awful lot of time discussing
    17 what had happened, like last night you said
    18 that, you know, you were tired and so you talked
    19 about--
    20 PATSY RAMSEY: You know like this
    21 morning you say did you talk about this with
    22 John and, you know, I figured you didn't like us
    23 to do that too much.
    24 TOM HANEY: But you had 18 months
    25 to do that?
    0619
    1 PATSY RAMSEY: You're right.
    2 TOM HANEY: And have you talked
    3 about it a lot, have you discussed all of these
    4 various theories?
    5 PATSY RAMSEY: Over and over and
    6 over.
    7 TOM HANEY: You say he didn't do it
    8 and he says you didn't do it, and didn't have
    9 any part in any coverup, anything like that.
    10 Any staging. That only leaves one other person
    11 alive in the house at the time, that's Burke.
    12 PATSY RAMSEY: And the murderer.
    13 TOM HANEY: Well, I am saying there
    14 is only one other person at that point in time,
    15 in the morning, right?
    16 PATSY RAMSEY: (INAUDIBLE).
    17 TOM HANEY: 6:52 and 5:52 a.m.?
    18 PATSY RAMSEY: Okay. So?
    19 TOM HANEY: You, John and Burke?
    20 PATSY RAMSEY: Correct. That we
    21 know of.
    22 TOM HANEY: At that point?
    23 PATSY RAMSEY: (INAUDIBLE). And?
    24 TOM HANEY: So you said it wasn't
    25 you and it wasn't John. Could it have been
    0620
    1 Burke?
    2 PATSY RAMSEY: No. It wouldn't
    3 have been Burke.
    4 TOM HANEY: Why couldn't it?
    5 PATSY RAMSEY: How do you believe
    6 you saw (INAUDIBLE) a ten-year old, nine-year
    7 old boy (INAUDIBLE). Plus the fact that he
    8 loved his sister.
    9 TOM HANEY: It's not unheard of for
    10 a nine or ten-year old child?
    11 PATSY RAMSEY: My child it is
    12 unheard of.
    13 TOM HANEY: And why is that? What
    14 would make him different from some other nine or
    15 ten-year old?
    16 PATSY RAMSEY: Because he was not
    17 raised in a family of violence. We are a very
    18 loving family.
    19 TOM HANEY: Could it have been an
    20 accident?
    21 PATSY RAMSEY: I -- don't know.
    22 TOM HANEY: Well you and I don't
    23 know because we weren't there?
    24 PATSY RAMSEY: Right.
    25 TOM HANEY: So do you think it
    0621
    1 could have been, he could have pushed her down
    2 the stairs--
    3 PATSY RAMSEY: Burke Ramsey did not
    4 do this, okay. He did not do this. Get off it.
    5 TOM HANEY: How do you know that,
    6 though? I mean, have you talked to him about
    7 it?
    8 PATSY RAMSEY: Yes, we are going
    9 to find out who did this to JonBenet. He's been
    10 in counseling, doctors say that he's handling this
    11 the way that a child copes best with the death of
    12 a very close family member. I doubt that a nine
    13 or ten-year old child could harbor such a thing
    14 for a year and a half.
    15 TOM HANEY: And you say they were
    16 very close?
    17 PATSY RAMSEY: They were very
    18 close.
    19 TOM HANEY: Okay. Did they ever
    20 have any little squabbles, did they ever fight?
    21 PATSY RAMSEY: Maybe she would
    22 step on his Leg-O's, he would be unhappy.
    23 TOM HANEY: But that was it?
    24 PATSY RAMSEY: Or you know, no
    25 violence (INAUDIBLE).
    0622
    1 TOM HANEY: He wouldn't chase after
    2 her, "JonBenet, I am going to " --
    3 PATSY RAMSEY: No way.
    4 TOM HANEY: No? That was as upset
    5 as he ever got?
    6 PATSY RAMSEY: Pretty much
    7 (INAUDIBLE).
    8 (TAPE IS JUMPING AND CRACKING
    9 MAKING IT IMPOSSIBLE TO HEAR ANYTHING BEING
    10 SAID.)

    Note from Spade: It was at this point that Patsy jumped up, pointed her finger at Tom Haney and screamed: "Don't go there Pal!" No wonder SueSwamp and LinWad didn't want the public to read it in context.


    11 TOM HANEY: Before we do this, I
    12 think you had some questions or at least Mr.
    13 Burke told us that you had some or you said you
    14 had some. Do you want to take like a ten-minute
    15 break, let him change the tape and then --
    16 ELLIS ARMISTEAD: Let me ask one as
    17 a starter and then we will find out how the
    18 questions are really going to answer. Would you
    19 tell me the results of the DNA testing?
    20 TOM HANEY: I would if I could, but
    21 I don't know.
    22 ELLIS ARMISTEAD: Why don't you ask
    23 a couple of questions then we will discuss it.
    24 VOICE: I have a series of
    25 questions.
    0623
    1 (MULTIPLE SPEAKERS.)
    2 TOM HANEY: So we can discuss it
    3 and decide whether -- what we can tell you.
    4 ELLIS ARMISTEAD: They are all
    5 evidentiary questions of that sort of nature. I
    6 want to know about the DNA, I want to know more
    7 about the Whites, I want to know more about the
    8 McReynoldses. We want to know questions, I want
    9 to ask questions along those lines, and I have a
    10 series of them. And I have a long list of them
    11 on a piece of paper.
    12 TOM HANEY: Could you give me some
    13 topic, for example?
    14 ELLIS ARMISTEAD: Sure.
    15 (TRANSCRIBER'S NOTE: I AM GUESSING
    16 AT WHO IS SPEAKING SINCE THERE IS NO VIDEO TO
    17 KNOW FOR SURE).
    18 ELLIS ARMISTEAD: I would like to
    19 see rest of the pictures from the Whites. I
    20 would like to see this so-called report from Pam
    21 Griffin, who you quoted from during the
    22 interrogation during the last three days. I
    23 would like see the report which I believe was
    24 transference from somebody elsewhere, my client
    25 supposedly called somebody a blonde :(:(:(:(:(, which
    0624
    1 I believe is an outrageous lie.
    2 I would like to know more
    3 specifically about which doors and windows were
    4 not locked and which doors and windows were
    5 open. We would like to hear the 911 call,
    6 because you have asked enough questions about
    7 it, we would like to now hear that.
    8 We want to know more about all of
    9 the fingerprints that have been taken from the
    10 house and the results of that. I would like to
    11 know --
    12 TOM HANEY: Do we want to do this
    13 on tape or is this something for the attorneys
    14 to work out?
    15 ELLIS ARMISTEAD: I was giving one
    16 example, then Trip asked me --
    17 (MULTIPLE SPEAKERS.)
    18 TOM HANEY: I don't think we
    19 assumed it would be quite as all inclusive. We
    20 will discuss it.
    21 ELLIS ARMISTEAD: Okay.
    22 TOM HANEY: Do you have any other
    23 types of questions (INAUDIBLE) do you have
    24 questions you would like to know?
    25 TOM HANEY: We will end the tape.
    0625
    1 It's about 3:35.
     
  5. BobC

    BobC Poster of the EON - Fabulous Inimitable Transcript

    My favorite part:

    3 PATSY RAMSEY: Because we were
    4 gone several hours, and they could have had
    5 their way with the house. Have known where
    6 flashlights were, where pads of paper were,
    7 where bibles were, where Christmas cards were,
    8 where -- you know. If we are gone three or four
    9 hours. No one knows for sure.
     
  6. Elle

    Elle Member

    More information here(?)

    It has been a while since I have read the NE Police Files, Spade, but I felt there were more answers coming from Patsy than I remember reading in the NE book.

    Thank you for posting this.
     
  7. Spade

    Spade Member

    My favorite

    3 PATSY RAMSEY: Burke Ramsey did not
    4 do this, okay. He did not do this. Get off it.
    5 TOM HANEY: How do you know that,
    6 though? I mean, have you talked to him about
    7 it?
    8 PATSY RAMSEY: Yes, we are going
    9 to find out who did this to JonBenet. He's been
    10 in counseling, doctors say that he's handling this
    11 the way that a child copes best with the death of
    12 a very close family member. I doubt that a nine
    13 or ten-year old child could harbor such a thing
    14 for a year and a half.
     
  8. Vic

    Vic Active Member

    oh my

    I would be so upset if someone "had their way" with my house...

    And all "hells" and "damns" from such a Christian woman, not to mention her finger pointing and table pounding.

    Doesn't quite fit in with the "have you suffered any sexual abuse" answer not audible question. She should have been firmly saying hell no there, too.

    Maybe she is just too delicate to talk about sex, in any form.
     
  9. Freebird

    Freebird Active Member

    They are both so distraught they can't bear to read over the autopsy report...don't want to know if there was any sexual abuse..

    "11 MIKE KANE: What do you understand about
    12 that trauma, vaginal trauma?
    13 JOHN RAMSEY: It's something I don't like
    14 to think about. I don't understand or read
    15 anything about it, because there are certain facts
    16 that I just can't bear to know."

    ...........................................................

    But Patsy, gets defensive when told about this, demands to see the report and who made it out.

    "25 PATSY RAMSEY: And I would like to
    0582
    1 see where it says that and who reported that.
    2 TOM HANEY: Okay.
    3 PATSY RAMSEY: Do you have that?"

    Her priorities at first being told her dead daughter had been previously sexually abused is ........who wrote that...?


    Give me a break ...these are some bogus parents here trying to avoid the issue of previous sexual abuse. JMO as a parent
     
  10. BobC

    BobC Poster of the EON - Fabulous Inimitable Transcript

    And beyond that Freebird how do grieving parents, who have supposedly hired a fleet of investigators to find their daughter's killer, get to the bottom of the matter without reading the autopsy? Come on. Besides the fake ransom note, that's the biggest source of information they have!

    I find it extremely hard to believe that 95% of the Western Hemisphere knows that JBR had signs of previous molestation but the two concerned parents just had no idea!!! Come on. They admitted they knew this anyway in their original CNN informercial way back when, but now Patsy acts like this is the first she's heard of it. Barbra Fernie and others spoke to the press in the first few months saying they knew about the previous sexual abuse rumors, and yet Patsy hasn't?

    She's lying and so is John.
     
  11. Texan

    Texan FFJ Senior Member

    yep

    they are lying 'cause in the NE book Patsy says she has seen the heart on JB's hand that morning - then the next day tells them that she may have just read about it in the autopsy. She then throws Santa Bill under the bus, says he might have done it and throws a zinger in there that it was a well-drawn heart. Huh? She may have read about it but it looked well-drawn?

    Just like John saying they didn't know Burke was awake that morning but says they found out later that he was and Burke heard Patsy being hysterical and had tears in his eyes. If they didn't know Burke was awake but found out later that he was, then Burke must have told them so.

    I really doubt Burke told them he had tears in his eyes. He would have said he was crying or almost crying. That was a visual thing and they saw him that morning with tears in his eyes. More lies. They must think people are stupid enough to believe them.
     
  12. WhiteWolf

    WhiteWolf Member

    Re: My favorite part:


    Flashlights, pads of paper, bibles, Christmas cards.


    Patsy has pretty much admitted that the flashlight was their's since she grouped it with things known to belong to the them.

    She also admitted (unknown to her) that some of the "ransom note" came from Christmas cards she wrote. That must be where the "if you want her to see 1997" came from.
     
  13. BobC

    BobC Poster of the EON - Fabulous Inimitable Transcript

    EXACTLY!
     
  14. WhiteWolf

    WhiteWolf Member

    This is Patsy's reaction to Tom Haney telling her about prior vaginal trauma. Remember this is the first time according to Patsy she has heard this information. I'll comment at the end of this section.



    24 PATSY RAMSEY: Now when you say
    25 violated, what are you -- what are you telling
    0583
    1 me here?
    2 TOM HANEY: That there was some
    3 prior vaginal intrusion that something --
    4 something was inserted?
    5 PATSY RAMSEY: Prior to this night
    6 that she was assaulted?
    7 TOM HANEY: That's the--
    8 PATSY RAMSEY: What report as -- I
    9 want to see, I want to see what you're talking
    10 about here. I am -- I am -- I don't -- I am
    11 shocked.
    12 TOM HANEY: Well, that's one of the
    13 things that's been bothering us about the case.
    14 PATSY RAMSEY: No damn kidding.
    15 TOM HANEY: What does that tell
    16 you?
    17 PATSY RAMSEY: It doesn't tell me
    18 anything. I mean, I knew -- I -- I --
    19 TOM HANEY: Okay, for a second --
    20 PATSY RAMSEY: Did you know about
    21 this?
    22 ELLIS ARMISTEAD: I tried to stay
    23 out of the making of the record and inserting
    24 myself into the tape-recording of this
    25 interview. The newspapers have talked about
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    1 this. Whether or not--
    2 PATSY RAMSEY: Well, they talk
    3 about a lot of things that are not true.
    4 ELLIS ARMISTEAD: And there has
    5 been a debate among the people who talked about
    6 the findings in the autopsy report as to whether
    7 there was a prior vaginal intrusion or not. So
    8 when you ask, either Tom or me or Trip or
    9 Jennifer, did we know that, there has been a
    10 debate about that. Even in the newspaper.
    11 PATSY RAMSEY: Well, I do not know
    12 of anything and I am very distressed about this.
    13 TOM HANEY: Who could have done
    14 such a thing?
    15 PATSY RAMSEY: I do not know. I
    16 don't have any idea.
    17 TOM HANEY: What is your best
    18 guess?
    19 PATSY RAMSEY: I couldn't begin to
    20 guess. I am shocked. I don't have any idea. I
    21 am just -- I can't believe, I just can't believe
    22 this.



    Notice Patsy never asks what Haney meant when he said, "something was inserted" (meaning into JB's vagina). If I had heard those words about my daughter, you can bet I would have asked, "what the he!! do you mean, SOMETHING was inserted?"
     
  15. BobC

    BobC Poster of the EON - Fabulous Inimitable Transcript

    well you'd think with all the scouring of the earth and the high powered detectives Patsy would have heard along the way that JBR had been molested. It's these minor details that can mean so much.
     
  16. Freebird

    Freebird Active Member

    Whitewolf

    I can only imagine that upon hearing that kind of news it would bring me to tears,sobbing tears. The thought that your child was violated in that way would be traumatic....knowing that your baby suffered thru sexual abuse before death..... come on who wouldn't be emotional at the thought....

    And also intense anger!! I would have been demaning to know WHO could have done that to my child....I would be filled with questions....how.... what....how far.....and I'm pretty sure it would have put a whole new light on her death....

    I don't know why Patsy didn't start naming men that had been in contact with JB.... Now that is when I would have been throwing people under the bus... Santa...Fleet....Grandpa.....Photographers...every male I could think of would have been a suspect to me in that moment, but not for Patsy......nope she wanted to know who wrote the report. WTF is up with that?

    I know people react to stress and death differently but Pats and John have consistantly gone against the grain of normal behavior since day one....
     
  17. WhiteWolf

    WhiteWolf Member

    Freebird, I agree with your thoughts. It bothers me that Patsy seems so defensive about Haney's questions. Everyone knows that JonBenet was in contact with people other than her immediate family, but Patsy acts like all of the sexual assault (prior to and on 12/25) questions pertain only to the Ramseys. Knowledge of guilt? Guilty conscience?
     
  18. Elle

    Elle Member

    I agree with both of you here!

    Whitewolf and Freebird,

    I agree with both of you here. Something far wrong with this picture!
     
  19. Niner

    Niner Active Member

    Ah ha! "I was on the floor calling 911" - that's how she maybe grabbed the third page from JR and read off SBTC right off the bat!!
     
  20. zoomama

    zoomama Active Member

    Whitewolf,

    Look at yur segment that you quoted again and look at lines 17 & 18 of the first segment. Haney has just finished telling Patsy that the vaginal intrusion was a puzzle for him in this case and Miss Patsy's response is " I doesn't tell me anything. I mean, I knew --I--I--."

    OK Right there I wish for once they would have let her finish that thought. What did she know? What was she trying to tell them or not tell them but it slipped out. She knew something What? I've read that several times and it seems to be telling me something but nothing really. She started to say something and then Haney went on with another thought and he didn't listen to that "I knew". Darn
     
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