Foundation

Discussion in 'Justice for JonBenet Discussion - Public Forum' started by Spade, May 15, 2004.

  1. Spade

    Spade Member

    In our quest to find a truthful answer for Tricia's question on LKL we can start with Mike Kane asking Uncle Johnny about the foundation:

    17 Q. (By Mr. Kane) Mr. Ramsey, at the
    18 present time, how much money is in the
    19 JonBenet Ramsey Foundation?
    20 A. I believe that is public record,
    21 but I think there is about $7,000 in there.
    22 Q. What is the highest balance that
    23 you know of that it has been?
    24 A. I don't know.
    25 Q. Have you done any fundraisers to
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    1 fund it?
    2 A. No. It wasn't our intention to
    3 raise public money. I set up a foundation
    4 for my other daughter, which still exists, by
    5 the way. We were desperate to honor our
    6 daughter in some way, and that was our
    7 attempt to do it, and why we have been
    8 criticized for that, I don't know.
    9 Q. You put out a press release that
    10 gave an address for contributions to be made
    11 to the foundation.
    12 A. I don't remember ever asking for
    13 contributions.
    14 MR. WOOD: Do you have a copy of
    15 the press release?
    16 MR. KANE: Yes. As a matter of
    17 fact, I do.
    18 MR. WOOD: Why don't you let him
    19 see it.
    20 THE WITNESS: I would like to see
    21 it.
    22 MR. KANE: I have what the Denver
    23 Post has published as coming from your press
    24 release.
    25 MR. LEVIN: While he gets booted
    0049
    1 up on that just so that we don't waste time,
    2 how about if I ask him questions on another
    3 matter? Does that work for you procedurally?
    4 MR. WOOD: Sure.
    5 THE WITNESS: Can I respond to
    6 that though?
    7 MR. WOOD: Go ahead, John.
    8 THE WITNESS: I am offended, and
    9 I have been offended. I have been offended
    10 that you investigated that foundation during
    11 the grand jury. I have a mind to disband
    12 it and treat it just as a private -- we
    13 want to honor our daughter, and we have
    14 received nothing but grief from you folks,
    15 from the media over that attempt, and I am
    16 baffled by that.
     
  2. Spade

    Spade Member

    LinWad the obstructionist

    10 MR. WOOD: I personally am
    11 getting disgusted that we are talking about
    12 the finances of the JonBenet Ramsey
    13 Foundation when we are supposed to be talking
    14 about information about the death of the
    15 child. I just am getting to the point where
    16 maybe I had enough.
    17 Do you want to ask something to
    18 move this investigation forward or do you
    19 want --
    20 MR. KANE: I feel this is moving
    21 it forward.
    22 MR. WOOD: I am sure you do,
    23 sir.
    24 MR. KANE: You know what, we are
    25 the only law enforcement agency that has the
    0289
    1 authority to --
    2 MR. WOOD: You are still a law
    3 enforcement agent?
    4 MR. KANE: I am under contract
    5 with the Boulder D.A.'s office.
    6 MR. WOOD: Do you have a copy of
    7 that contract?
    8 Are you being paid by the hour
    9 for your time here or are you doing it pro
    10 bono?
    11 MR. KANE: No. I'm being paid.
    12 I am being paid to be here.
    13 Q. (By Mr. Kane) What, to your
    14 knowledge, if any, money was spent for any
    15 purposes that the Foundation was being set up
    16 to advance?
    17 MR. WOOD: This is your last
    18 question on the Foundation unless you can
    19 relate it to who murdered the child. I am
    20 going to draw the line.
    21 THE WITNESS: There have been
    22 gifts donated if that's what you are asking.
    23 Q. (By Mr. Kane) No, I'm not asking
    24 about donations. I am asking about money
    25 going out.
    0290
    1 A. That is what I am saying. There
    2 have been gifts given to non-profits.
    3 Q. Do you know what those are?
    4 MR. WOOD: Didn't I just say that
    5 we need to move on to another subject? I
    6 think that --
    7 THE WITNESS: I do know some of
    8 them.
    9 MR. WOOD: Can you go on to
    10 something that will help us figure out who
    11 killed the child?
     
  3. Spade

    Spade Member

    More Foundation BS

    2 MR. WOOD: There was a mistake in
    3 the book jacket cover that indicated an
    4 application had been made. An application
    5 for tax exempt status has been submitted, and
    6 I remember someone called it to the attention
    7 of the publisher that, in fact, it had been
    8 granted. I don't sit here and represent
    9 that I have seen it, but I do know that
    10 information.
    11 Q. (By Mr. Kane) Has any, to your
    12 knowledge, any of the money that ever has
    13 been in that foundation ever been given to
    14 any charitable --
    15 A. Yeah.
    16 Q. -- or social --
    17 A. Not to the level we would have
    18 hoped. I mean, our original plan was that we
    19 were going to sue the hell out of the
    20 tabloids and donate it all to the foundation
    21 and do some very significant things. That
    22 has been a tough process.
    23 So we have not been able to do
    24 with it what we hoped, but I hope some day
    25 we can.
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    1 Q. You did get money from the
    2 public, though, that came in?
    3 A. Very, very little. I got -- the
    4 most significant donations I got were from
    5 two friends. One was the president of
    6 Lockheed-Martin, sent $1,000, and my boss
    7 sent $1,000. We probably received a few
    8 very small checks.
     
  4. 1000 Sparks

    1000 Sparks Active Member

    hahahaha Spade.

    I think John is referring to my $5.00 check I sent and they cashed.

    The thank you I got was posted years back. Someone should have it in the archives (ACandyRose???). I know Ma Brady had it on her site too.

    The letter said the would keep my informed as to what the foundation was doing..never heard another word.
     
  5. Watching You

    Watching You Superior Bee Admin

    John Ramsey sure gets offended a lot, doesn't he. He was offended when asked to take a polygraph. He was offended that LE investigated the foundation during the GJ. Truth be known, he was offended that anyone thought he and Patsy should have been investigated in the first place. Why, how dare they suspect the high and mighty Ramseys? In fact, he counted on his status to exempt them from investigation. Oh, they say they understood that they were suspects at first, but they were offended, otherwise they would have done what real victims and innocent people do - knock themselves out cooperating with the police, doing whatever it took to get themselves eliminated as suspects as soon as possible and the investigation heading in the right direction. They wouldn't have needed 6 attorneys to say, don't answer that question, and generally block police access to them.

    Nothing's changed. What has happened has happened. The Ramseys can't change history no matter how they try.
     
  6. RiverRat

    RiverRat FFJ Sr. Member Extraordinaire (Pictured at Lef

    From The Smoking gun web-site

    http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/jbrfound1.html

    Shortly after their daughter JonBenet was murdered in December 1996, John and Patsy Ramsey founded a charity in their late child's name. The JonBenet Ramsey Children's Foundation, they said, was set up to "raise money for children's education and care" and to protect against "the victimization of children." But as these excerpts from the group's 1997, 1998, and 1999 IRS returns show, the Ramsey charity has been a flop, making only two donations during that period (totaling $2769) while raising just $19,000. After giving a single $2000 gift to a Boulder, Colorado church, the Ramsey foundation finished last year with total assets of $6415. In 1998, the group made no donations while raising just $2703 (expenses that year were $2679). In 1997, Patsy (foundation president) and John (foundation veep) made one contribution: $769 to the Boulder Crime Stoppers program. As philanthropists, they make good murder suspects.
     
  7. Deja Nu

    Deja Nu Banned

    DOI Press Release

    Please note that DOI was released for sale in March, 2000, claiming net proceeds would be funneled into the JBR Foundation. "Coincidentally," the JBR Foundation, according to the IRS, was terminated with the August, 2000 filing of its final 990 PF. This just happens to be the same month in which the Ramseys were interviewed in Atlanta by Boulder Police Chief Mark Beckner, Michael Kane and Barry Levin, wherein Spade's above transcript excerpt explored the Foundation's activities and assets!

    http://www.jonbenetindexguide.com/doi-index.htm

    Death of Innocence
    by John and Patsy Ramsey

    Press Release

    Date: November 5, 1999

    JOHN AND PATSY RAMSEY TO PUBLISH THEIR STORY

    NASHVILLE - Thomas Nelson Publishers announced today that it will publish a book by John and Patsy Ramsey, parents of JonBenet Ramsey.

    "We have patiently waited for the justice process to evolve in the matter of our daughter's death," the authors said. "We have remained silent while baseless and slanderous accusations about our family were made by the frenzied media. With the grand jury's recent decision, the time is appropriate to recount our experiences in this tragedy."

    The book, which is scheduled for a March 2000 release, will address many of the myths and falsehoods surrounding this case. Most people know only what the media have told them, and so much of this is simply based on inaccuracies," said publisher Rolf Zettersten. "It will also give the Ramseys an opportunity to write about JonBenet whose life was so much more than junior beauty pageants. This will also be a story of their faith in God and how it sustained them through the tragedy and the horrible accusations that ensued."

    Terms of the contract will not be disclosed although the Ramseys have said that royalties will be used to pay legal fees and all other proceeds will go to the JonBenet Ramsey Children's Foundation. The foundation was set up by the family to honor JonBenet by helping children in their spiritual growth.
     
  8. imon128

    imon128 Banned

    The hardback edition says proceeds will go to lawyer fees and JB Foundation, paperback says it will go to JB Foundation.
     
  9. Deja Nu

    Deja Nu Banned

    This summation of Foundation activities accompanied Tricia's press release last week. This data was derived from official public legal and IRS documents, disclosing that very little activity occurred during the life of the Foundation.

    JONBENET RAMSEY CHILDREN'S FOUNDATION

    EIN: 84-1397683

    Directors: John Ramsey
    Patsy Ramsey

    Officers: President - Patsy Ramsey
    Vice President - John Ramsey
    Treasurer - Gail Heinzman

    Statement of Purpose: "To raise money for children's education and care" and to protect against "the victimization of children."

    ACTIVITIES:

    1997
    Incorporated in April as non-profit corporation in Colorado w/IRS registration as 501(c) charitable tax-exempt organization

    Media articles and Crime Stoppers ad disclose JBR Foundation offer of $100,000 reward for information regarding "well dressed male" approaching children at Christmastime, 1996; no such funds in Foundation account to back up offer

    Per partial 990 PF dtd 08/19/98:

    Contributions received: $12,533
    Donor: John Ramsey
    Charitable contributions made: $769
    Recipient of charitable contribution: Unknown
    Market value of trust assets (including
    interest earned on bank account: $4,354


    1998

    Per partial 990 PF dtd 08/18/99:
    Contributions received: $2,703
    Donor: Unknown
    Charitable contributions made: $0
    Recipient of charitable contribution: None
    Purpose of charitable contribution: N/A
    Market value of trust assets (including
    interest earned on bank account: $5,506



    1999

    Per 990 PF dtd 08/25/00:
    Contributions received: $3,865
    Donor: Unknown
    Charitable contributions made: $2,000
    Recipient of charitable contribution: St. Johns Episcopal Church, Boulder
    Purpose of charitable contribution: "Assistance to children's programs
    and other unrestricted church use"
    Market value of trust assets (including
    interest earned on bank account: $6,415

    2000

    Foundation terminated per IRS

    Per 990 PF dtd 08/29/01:
    Contributions received: $1,405
    Donor: Unknown
    Charitable contributions made: $0
    Recipient of charitable contribution: None
    Purpose of charitable contribution: N/A
    Market value of trust assets (including
    interest earned on bank account: $7,860

    Notes:
    Line 8a: Foundation reports to state of Colorado but CO "does not require any report"

    Part IXA Summary of Direct Charitable Activities: "N/A"

    Part IXB Summary of Program-Related Investments: "N/A"

    Part XVI List any managers of the foundation who have contributed more than 2% of the total contributions received by the foundation before the close of any tax year (but only if they contributed more than $5,000): "NONE"

    Part XV Grants and Contributions Paid During the Year: "NONE"

    Part XVI-B Relationship of Activities to the Accomplishment of Exempt Purposes: "This section is blank because the foundation's revenue was either from gifts or from interest on its account. The foundation generated no income from activities."

    Statement 1/Form 990-PF/Part 1 Line 1/Contributions, Gifts and Grants: "No single contributor gave $5,000 or more during the year."
     
  10. Deja Nu

    Deja Nu Banned

    You will recall that when the Foundation was established in 1997, under Haddon Morgan Foreman's representation, it's original purpose was to "find the killer" of JonBenet Ramsey. The Ramseys via the Foundation took a large ad out through Crime Stoppers soliciting information regarding "a well dressed man" going around Boulder at Christmas time, 1996, approaching children. The ad offered $100,000 reward for that information to be paid from the Foundation. At the time this reward was offered, and at all times subsequent until the Foundation was terminated, the Foundation, according to official records, never possessed sufficient funds to honor that reward should anyone have claimed it!

    When the GJ failed to indict in late 1999, the Ramseys failed to pay their legal fees to Haddon Morgan Foreman, as well as Ellis Armistead, their own investigator, and both the firm and Armistead's company discontinued representing the Ramseys. To this date, those debts have never been paid.

    The Ramseys instead retained Lin Wood, who has publicly disclosed that his fees for representing the Ramseys are on a contingency basis, not fee-for-service or hourly. Therefore, any legal fees paid to Lin Wood come directly out of the civil suits he filed in behalf of the Ramseys and NOT out of their own pockets or the Foundation.

    So, whatever royalties the Ramseys made from the sale of their book did not go into the Foundation or pay Haddon Morgan Foreman or Armistead. Whatever settlement monies made by the Ramseys off all the civil suits paid LW's legal fees first, then net proceeds went to the Ramseys. Still, those funds did not pay off their former attorneys and investigators, and did not go into the Foundation. The Ramseys' claims of hefty legal fees paid out leading to their financial ruin is as bogus as the intruder theory!

    Where DID settlement monies and book royalties go, then? What were those funds expended on if not any attorneys, investigators or Foundation activities?
     
  11. Deja Nu

    Deja Nu Banned

    And you will also recall that in direct response to Tricia's call in questions on the LKL show last week, Patsy Ramsey blatantly stated that the Foundation had just given $1000 to JonBenet's old day camp there in MI that week, even though she knew full well that the Foundation has not existed for the last FOUR YEARS!
     
  12. LurkerXIV

    LurkerXIV Moderator

    Ramsey Lies and Scams.

    This thread is a terrific expose' of John and Patsy Ramsey's lies and scams, particularly regarding their bogus "Foundation".

    I assume Tricia has sent copies of her press releases to Ken Bradstreet, as well as to the other candidates opposing Ramsey in the primary.
     
  13. ACandyRose

    ACandyRose Super Moderator

    Sparky's donation receipt

    Here you go Sparky :)

    http://www.acandyrose.com/07012000jbrchildrenfoundation.jpg

    ACR
    www.acandyrose.com
     
  14. Tricia

    Tricia Administrator Staff Member

    P.S. Everyone.

    ACR HATES it when I do this but oh well :)

    ACR is our Goddess when it comes to archives in the JBR case.

    Please visit her site at www.acandyrose.com and take note of the PayPal donation button. 5 dollars, 10 dollars goes a long way.

    ACR archives at her own expense.

    I know for a fact that ACR's donations will go much further than the 5 bucks Sparky sent to the JBR Foundation.
    Thanks
    Tricia

    PS. Lurker yes I have sent out packages with this info to everyone I can think of.
     
  15. imon128

    imon128 Banned

    ACR rocks, no doubt in my mind. :angel:
     
  16. purr

    purr Active Member

    their fundraising efforts for jonbenet's foundation proves one thing..........

    that they are LOSERS when it comes to fundraising.....!!!!!

    so how in the hell do they think they are going
    to be able to "raise money" / fundraise for John's campaign?????

    they aren't!!!

    LOSERS AGAIN!!!

    purr
     
  17. 1000 Sparks

    1000 Sparks Active Member

    Thanks, ACandyRose

    Do you have the other sheet that describes exactly what
    this foundation does?

    Guess it doesn't matter as it didn't do anything anyway.

    Thanks again.
     
  18. "J_R"

    "J_R" Shutter Bug Bee

    :2cents: Actually Purr, now that you brought it up it will be interesting to watch this show. If the Ramseys are successful raising funds for the campaign it will speak volumes and if they are not it will speak volumes. Think about it.

    Fund raising is hard work. Anyone who has actually done it knows that.


    :sprez:
     
  19. purr

    purr Active Member

    Excellent Point JR

    I get exactly what you are saying!

    Brilliant!
    purr
     
  20. Sabrina

    Sabrina Member

    You can see the foundation's tax returns all at www.guidestar.com

    type in Ramsey and GA

    It did virtually nothing. Suzanne Goebel's did nothing either.
     
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