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    Credit goes to IrishMist, at WBS, for posting this.

    http://www.dailycamera.com/news/2008...ahoo_headlines

    JonBenet Ramsey house back on market for $2.68M
    By Alicia Wallace (Contact)
    Wednesday, July 2, 2008


    Photo by Paul Aiken

    The former Ramsey home on 15th Street in the University Hill area of Boulder is back on the market.
    Ramsey house timeline
    November 1991 — John and Patsy Ramsey buy the house at 755 15th St. for $500,000.

    Dec. 26, 1996 — JonBenet Ramsey is found dead in the basement of the home. Her family never spends another night there.

    February 1998 — A group of investors buys the home for $650,000, pledging to resell it and donate profits to the JonBenet Ramsey Children’s Foundation.

    1999-2001 — E.J. “Doc” Kreis, the University of Colorado’s speed, strength and conditioning coach, rents the house before being fired and moving to California.

    June 2001 — The address is changed to 749 15th St.

    May 2004 — Tim and Carol Milner buy the house for $1.05 million.

    July 2008 — The house is listed for sale at $2.68 million

    Source: Camera archives

    The house where JonBenet Ramsey’s body was discovered nearly 12 years ago is back on the market.

    The 7,092-square-foot, four-story house at 749 15th St. — the former home of John and Patsy Ramsey, whose 6-year-old daughter was murdered and found in the home’s basement on Dec. 26, 1996 — recently was posted on the public listings for $2.68 million.

    The listing price is more than double its $1.05 million sale in 2004, and is comparable to or slightly more expensive than other similar-sized houses on the market in the neighborhood, according to local real estate data. During the past six months, 11 houses in the neighboring area sold at prices between $1 million and $3 million. Of those 11, two sold for more than $2.5 million.

    Thirty-seven other neighboring homes, in the $1 million to $3 million price range, are active on the market. Three homes are listed higher than the 749 15th St. asking price.

    When it comes to real estate stigmatized by past crimes and catastrophes, time sometimes can be a healer in terms of market value, said Randall Bell, an appraiser, economist and nationally known expert on damaged real estate.

    Bell, a principal of Bell Anderson & Sanders LLC, has consulted on economic damages caused by crime scenes including JonBenet Ramsey’s home, the Heaven’s Gate Mansion in Rancho Santa Fe, Calif., and the Nicole Brown Simpson condominium in Los Angeles.

    “Emotionally, it may not go away, but in terms of real estate values, it does go away,” Bell said, noting that the Beverly Hills house where actress Sharon Tate was stabbed to death in 1969 sold for its full value 20 years later.

    Generally speaking, Bell said, it takes about seven years for values and the neighboring area “to get back to normal.”

    A house with a sordid past “will bother some people, but it won’t bother others,” he added. “As time goes on, the situation gets better.”

    John and Patsy Ramsey purchased the house, then known as 755 15th St., for $500,000 in 1991, according to Boulder County assessor records. In 1998, the Ramseys sold the house for $650,000 to a group of investors, who pledged to resell it and donate profits to the JonBenet Ramsey Children’s Foundation. In 1999, E.J. “Doc” Kreis, a University of Colorado strength and conditioning coach, rented the house for two years.

    In 2004, Tim Milner and his wife, Carol Schuller Milner — the daughter of “Hour of Power” televangelist Robert A. Schuller — purchased the home for $1.05 million.

    When the Milners bought the Tudor-style home, Tim Milner told the Camera that the house’s size made it seem like a “perfect fit” for him, his wife and four children.

    A year-and-a-half later, a for-sale sign appeared in front of 749 15th St.

    At the time, Tim Milner told a reporter that the value of his home dropped when news stories or television features appeared about the JonBenet killing. Milner also complained about a continuous stream of onlookers and sight-seers who would stop and sometimes take pictures in front of the house’s gated exterior.

    The Milners, who live and work in California, could not be reached for comment for this article.

    A year later — when John Mark Karr was arrested as a suspect in the JonBenet crime — a Florida newspaper reported that the house had been pulled off the market. A 36-year-old Florida man, who reportedly signed a contract to purchase the home for $1.7 million, claimed to the paper that his deal had fallen through.

    Karr was later exonerated of the crime when his DNA did not match crime-scene evidence.

    A few days ago, the Ramsey house was back on the selling block. Listed by Colorado Landmark Realtors and its founder Joel Ripmaster — who brokered past sales of the house — 749 15th St. is touted as a “spectacular 1920s home on (a) large lot with incredible trees and landscaping in the coveted University Hill district.”

    A slide show of pictures on the property’s Web site show a handful of rooms in the spacious house: a serenely staged dining room; stainless steel appliances that sit among stark, black cabinetry; a master bedroom with vaulted ceilings and a fireplace.

    The basement, which is listed as a “Rec. Room” on the property detail, is not pictured.

    Ripmaster did not return calls seeking comment.
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    Hi Ames- glad to see you- you've been busy, I bet.

    I wonder of the "group of investors" (i.e. R friends and supporters) ever turned over the money they made when they sold the house to the Foundation, like they vowed to do. I bet not.

    I had read long ago that one of the subsequent owners walled up the wineceller in the basement. I wonder which one?
    I know it was the "group of imvestors" who pulled up all the carpets in the basement (hmmm) and painted all the walls white, mercifully un-doing PR's decorating.
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    Extremely overpriced...especially for a house as notorious as the old Ram home! I wouldn't give a dime for it.

    Dee...I don't think the 'investors' or any charity saw any money from the home. After all John and Patsy's lame foundations never did anyone any good for anyone else but themselves...like 'donating' to the Ramseys' church program for kids...or 'donating' to the Ramseys' kids summer camp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeDee View Post
    I had read long ago that one of the subsequent owners walled up the wineceller in the basement.
    The fact of the "wine cellar" having been walled up has been to me a prime indicator of how false the statement was that the substance containing the Hi-Tec logo was actual living mold, and that said Hi-Tec logo could only therefore have been made on the night of December 25th because the living mold would have grown over any older imprint. If you think about it, a room whose floor and walls are covered in mold needs to have that mold dealt with periodically, for the health of the people who live in the house. A moldy room should not be walled off, because the mold will grow through the wall anyway. On the other hand, if the room contained only concrete dust from badly-sealed concrete coming in contact with moisture from the ground, that would be not much of a problem at all, and the residents could feel free to just pretend that room did not even exist since it would have no impact on their health.

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    Link for the listing and the photo the realtor chose to use......

    http://www.idxre.com/idx/detail.cfm?...id=572750&ff=1
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    Location Information
    County: Boulder Area/Sub Area: Area 1 - Sub Area 6
    Location Description: Deciduous Trees, Evergreen Trees, House Faces East, Within City Limits Subdivision: University Place

    Interior Features
    Design Features: Bay or Bow Window, Cathedral/Vaulted Ceilings, Eat-in Kitchen, Fire Alarm, Separate Dining Room, Walk-in Closet, Washer/Dryer Hookups, Wet Bar, Wood Windows, Workshop Half Baths: 3
    Has Fireplace: Yes Fireplace Description: 2+ Fireplaces, Living Room Fireplace, Master Bedroom Fireplace
    Heating Fuel: Radiant Heat Cooling: Attic Fan, Ceiling Fan, Central Air Conditioning, Evaporative Cooler, Room Air Conditioner
    Basement/Foundation: Full Basement

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    Stories: Four-Level Construction: Brick/Brick Veneer
    Parking Description: Attached Has Garage: Yes
    Garage Spaces: 2 Land Size: .25-.5 Acre
    Lot Size in Acres: 0.26 Lot Size in Sq. Ft.: 11377
    Zoning: Res Outdoor Features: Balcony, Deck, Patio, Lawn Sprinkler System

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    School District: BLDR VALLEY DIST RE2 Elementary School: Flatirons
    Jr. High School: Manhattan High School: Boulder

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    Year Built: 1927 Inclusions: Bar Refrigerator, Dishwasher, Double Oven, Down-draft
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    No front shot?!
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    The best thing about one of the side shots is that it provides the clearest example yet of how close the Ramsey bed was to the basement grate. With John saying that he and Patsy had the windows to their bedroom open that night because it got warm in the upper reaches of the house (consistent with the claim that the basement was exceptionally warm, and how heat rises), and with the claim that Luther Stanton across the street could hear the sound of metal banging on concrete which is then attributed to the clang of the grate on the concrete surrounding it, we can all see that any noise involving the grate and the kitchen-door area in general would have been heard in the Ramsey bedroom.

    Edited to add: And look at all the options John had for entering a locked house other than breaking a window in the grate. He could have broken the small window next to the kitchen door. His stated reason that the grate window would have been cheaper to repair hardly makes sense, since he had money and that kitchen window was obviously not some expensive custom item. For that matter, any of the locks on the dining room windows must have been flimsy enough to break without destroying the windows. He could have even broken the glass in the kitchen door which was right there.
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    I too was wondering if the JonBenet Ramsey Children's Foundation got the profits from reselling of the house... I highly doubt it!! Should have been at least 400K plus that SHOULD have gone to her Foundation...

    Why_Nut - EXCELLENT point!!
    The best thing about one of the side shots is that it provides the clearest example yet of how close the Ramsey bed was to the basement grate. With John saying that he and Patsy had the windows to their bedroom open that night because it got warm in the upper reaches of the house (consistent with the claim that the basement was exceptionally warm, and how heat rises), and with the claim that Luther Stanton across the street could hear the sound of metal banging on concrete which is then attributed to the clang of the grate on the concrete surrounding it, we can all see that any noise involving the grate and the kitchen-door area in general would have been heard in the Ramsey bedroom.
    and you're so right about the kitchen window too!!
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    What a coincidence. The Ramsey house goes back on the market, and Lacy clears the Ramsey family from any wrong-doing in the death of JonBenet. Hmmmmm....wonder if the mansion would sell easier if it was a random sexual predator or the family who moved away....

    The real estate agent and the seller must disclose that there has been a death in the house. That's law. I'll bet that scares most buyers away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heymom View Post
    The real estate agent and the seller must disclose that there has been a death in the house. That's law. I'll bet that scares most buyers away.
    I didn't realize that an agent has to disclose that there has been a death in a house. Unfortunately, we have moved ALOT! And I have always been afraid of buying an existing home for that very reason. Yes, I am paranoid. So, heck...that would scare ME away, if I went to buy the Ramsey home, not knowing anything about the case, and was told that someone was murdered there. I would run as fast as I could in the other direction.
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    A 5 bedroom, 8 bath house, and Patsy supposedly couldn't take a shower the morning of December 26th because hers was "broken." Did John refuse to let her shower in HIS bath? Was Patsy not allowed to go down one level and use the bathroom showers on the children's floor?

    Yeah, right.

    Oh, and I love how the realtor tries to show the side of the house as if it is the front, and even includes a photo of the nearby mountains as filler material because THEY DON'T DARE INCLUDE A PHOTO OF THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE as other real estate ads do.

    The fact is, the truth has never been told about what happened in that house the night JonBenet died. People can deal with tragedy, and there are those who can live in a house where there has been a death. People used to die at home all the time. The difference with the Ramsey house is that it is tainted with a lie, and most people know it.

    The Ramseys can proclaim their innocence all they want with the help of corrupt and idiotic lawyers, politicians and DAs, but it doesn't remove the uneasy feeling in the public's mind. The general concensus is that the Ramseys had something to do with JonBenet's death, and Patsy concocted the ransom note in order to keep someone from suffering the consequences.

    The Ramsey house will always have the smell of unresolved death.
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