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    More misinformation from jameson. She says:-

    The Ramseys owned a computer - used it to write letters and print them out, games, stuff like that. Their home computer was not hooked up tot he Internet at the time of the murder. They certainly didn't know anything about forums and such.

    Most of US were pretty naive at computer stuff when we started - - I remember well.... The Ramseys weren't ahead of us.
    http://www.webbsleuths.org/dcforum/DCForumID37/267.html

    This contradicts what is in the official search warrant affadavits.

    On December 28, 1996 Your Affiant saw a computer, monitor, mouse, printer, and removable computer storage media. Your Affiant saw this equipment in the play room are on the second floor of the Ramsey residence at 755 15th Street, Boulder Colorado. Your Affiant knows that Officer Yamaguchi of the Boulder Police Department was helping the search of the Ramsey residence. Officer Yamaguchi told Your Affiant that he saw a modem near the computer that was in the play room area of the residence. Officer Yamaguchi told Your Affiant that he saw a manual on Compuserve and Compuserve discs located in the office of the Ramsey residence. Officer Yamaguchi told Your Affiant that he has several years experience in the operation of computers and that he has five years experience as a consultant in the use of computers, software, and the Internet. He further states that, using his personal computer, he found that a John Ramsey in Boulder, Colorado was a subscriber to Compuserve. Officer Yamaguchi told Your Affiant that Compuserve is a company that provides access to the Internet, and that the Internet can be used to view text and images of child pornography. Officer Yamaguchi stated to Your Affiant that the text or images of child pornography can be collected and saved on the hard drives of computers and on removable storage media. He stated to Your Affiant that computers can make electronic records of Internet sites that were recently visited on that computer. With this information, Officer Yamaguchi told Your Affiant that an investigator can determine if the computer was used to view text or images involving child pornography.
    http://community.bouldernews.com/ext...7/09/29-4.html

    Perhaps jameson is going to argue semantics - ie. that the modem wasn't actually plugged into the computer or something like that, but her statement is nevertheless misleading (perhaps deliberately so). John Ramsey had Internet access. That was more than many of us had in 1996. IMO, that made him pretty much ahead of a lot of people.
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    Jameson needs to stop pretending-- she didn't even know the Ramseys prior to the murder so who the hell is she to say what they knew or didn't know? This is just like when she tells people about the state of the Ramseys' marriage--she doesn't know one way or the other.

    I don't think Jameson even knows anymore when she's lying.

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    I have no doubt that John Ramsey had Internet access at his job. In 1996, most of us who worked for government contractors used the Internet to access government sites almost every day. Those of us in the contract procurement area (which JR was), were continually accessing government sites that provided information on potential procurements. I wasn't even an executive back then (worked for a company VP), but I had Internet connections at home to access these sites after work and communicate with people at remote sites with our company. It's hard to believe that a President with LM didn't have the same capability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow
    I have no doubt that John Ramsey had Internet access at his job. In 1996, most of us who worked for government contractors used the Internet to access government sites almost every day. Those of us in the contract procurement area (which JR was), were continually accessing government sites that provided information on potential procurements. I wasn't even an executive back then (worked for a company VP), but I had Internet connections at home to access these sites after work and communicate with people at remote sites with our company. It's hard to believe that a President with LM didn't have the same capability.
    May, 1995, Computer Reseller News:

    Distributors quickly embrace online opportunities
    Ingram, Merisel, Access Graphics tap Internet to broadcast information

    Distributors and master resellers are gearing up for the age of electronic commerce and are beginning to tap into the World Wide Web as a marketing tool to their cutomers.

    Ingram Micro Inc., Merisel Inc. and Access Graphics Inc. view the Internet as a cost-effective vehicle to inform their customers about product availability, pricing and new offerings, as well as credit and technical support.

    Vendors are subsidizing these Internet sites through marketing dollars.

    However, security remains an issue and no product orders are flowing over the Internet yet, distribution executives said.

    ``The Web represents a new era in our marketing communications and in our reseller service delivery capabilities,'' said Access Graphics Chief Executive John Ramsey.

    ...

    Santa Ana, Calif.-based Ingram, Access Graphics and Merisel have reached different stages in the development of Web sites they opened this year.

    ...

    Tom Dolan, vice president of sales and marketing at Westcon, Eastchester, N.Y., said his company is polling customers to determine how many use the Internet and for what purpose they would use its Web site. Some resellers said they are concerned about the potential for dealer pricing and product availability information to appear on the screens of end users.

    To prevent this, Access Graphics, Boulder, Colo., requires a password to get product availability and pricing. Tim Enwall, senior project manager of customer solutions at Access, said the password will keep end users away and will allow the distributor to keep track of how many customers are using the site. Access' site, Livewire, went online April 10.


    January, 1996, Computer Reseller News:

    Internet Fever Strikes Client/Server Providers

    ...

    RAMSEY: We've probably spent more developing our Internet site than we made in profit in selling Internet products to date, but that's OK. I finally, in my own mind, concluded what the Internet means to us as a service provider and a seller of products. Certainly it's a way to interface with our customers. As a supplier of product, we're principally selling servers.[/i]

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    Jameson wrote, "The Ramseys owned a computer - used it to write letters and print them out, games, stuff like that. Their home computer was not hooked up tot he Internet at the time of the murder. They certainly didn't know anything about forums and such."

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    See how she plays with words. They owned a desktop PC as well as a laptop for Burke and John Ramsey had a laptop computer also. They had three working computers in the house at the time of the murder plus they had a separate telephone line just for a modem. Now why would they bother to have a separate modem line if nobody was going to use it to go online? And why would John Ramsey be taking his laptop to a second Christmas vacation celebration to Michigan anyway?

    From the June 1998 John ramsey says he had a lap top computer he was going to take to michigan with him plus the Boulder house had two phone lines, one of them being a modem line.

    0128

    1 JOHN RAMSEY: They were, as I recall, there
    2 was a black carryon, one of those, I remember it
    3 was a pop out.
    4 LOU SMIT: You remember that specifically?
    5 JOHN RAMSEY: Pretty specifically. I think
    6 I
    7 had my computer; I think I had my little lap top
    8 computer there ready to go.
    9 LOU SMIT: (INAUDIBLE)?
    10 JOHN RAMSEY: I think that was set out the
    11 night before.
    12 LOU SMIT: When would you have done that?
    13 JOHN RAMSEY: I can't remember if that was
    14 before we went to the Whites or after. I think it
    15 was (INAUDIBLE).
    16 LOU SMIT: (INAUDIBLE)?
    17 JOHN RAMSEY: Yeah. Yeah.
    18 LOU SMIT: And you would have just left that
    19 by the door and then take it with you?
    20 JOHN RAMSEY: As we left, yeah. I would take
    21 it out.
    ================================================== =
    0148
    20 LOU SMIT: How many phones do you have in
    21 the house?
    22 JOHN RAMSEY: Well we had several. Some of
    23 them didn't work. We had one in the solarium, we
    24 had one in the kitchen, one back here.
    25 LOU SMIT: All extensions?
    ================================================== =
    0149
    1 JOHN RAMSEY: Um hmm. In terms of the number
    2 of phone lines, I think we had two. I had two. I
    3 think there was one that came out of here for the
    4 computer modem. It wasn't part of the rest of the
    5 house system. There is one here in the study.
    6 There's one in the basement
    7 LOU SMIT: (INAUDIBLE)?
    8 JOHN RAMSEY: There's one jack here but it
    9 didn't work. I think there was phone in Patsy's
    10 room. But that was it.
    11 LOU SMIT: But just two lines basically other
    12 than the modem line, or does that make it three?
    13 JOHN RAMSEY: No. Just a modem line and three
    14 phone lines.
    15 LOU SMIT: And what was your phone number at
    16 that time, if you remember?
    17 JOHN RAMSEY: I (INAUDIBLE).
    18 LOU SMIT: (INAUDIBLE) that's fine.
    19 JOHN RAMSEY: I don't remember.

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    Jameson has been ranting for years that the Ramsey didn't have Internet access back in 1996 and that they didn't have e-mail. She even went into some long post of bull chit years ago about how the Boulder house only had rotary dialing and because of that they couldn't get it to dial out on the Internet so they claim they were never able to use it. Give me a break.

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    From the October 1998 John ramsey's interview on the Miles vs Ramsey/Enquirer suit, here Ramsey states that he used e-mail as a communication even though at that time he states he didn't have access to e-mail via his home in 1986.

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    1 A. No. Not development, no.
    2 Q. Is that the way business continued at Access
    3 Graphics through 1996?
    4 A. Basically, by adding product lines, but Sun was
    5 the bulk of our business.
    6 Q. You qualified it as "basically". What were
    7 other ancillary product lines or service lines offered?
    8 A. Oracle database software.
    9 Q. What is Oracle.
    10 A. Oracle is a Unix-based database software system.
    11 Q. What does it do?
    12 A. It is -- it's basically the ability to
    13 manipulate data from a number of databases for accounting
    14 or order processing or manufacturing uses. So it can be
    15 tailored to different applications, but all based on the
    16 fundamental requirement of underlying database
    17 requirement.
    18 Q. What other products or services did you feature?
    19 A. Silicon Graphics, which was another Unix
    20 workstation product, Hewlett Packard. A lot of little
    21 things, pieces and parts.
    22 Q. Access Graffics' office spaces are on the mall,
    23 right, in Boulder?
    24 A. Uh-huh.
    25 Q. Did you have satellite offices anywhere?

    Page 31

    1 A. We had warehouses in -- in 1986, we had
    2 warehouses in California and Pennsylvania. We had sales
    3 people in probably 25 cities, but typically they'd either
    4 work out of an executive suite or out of their home.
    5 Q. A virtual office?
    6 A. Yeah. We had an office in Amsterdam, Holland.
    7 Q. And servicing your employees and their virtual
    8 office stations, I trust you had a telecommunications
    9 network established; is that correct?
    10 A. We had E-mail, basically was the main way we
    11 communicated.
    12 Q. Did you maintain an E-mail station at your home?
    13 A. No.

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    And now back to the June 1998 Interview where John Ramsey is telling Lou Smit about when Judith Phillips met her husband. Both Robert Phillips and Patsy Ramsey worked at Hayes Micro Computer together and if Phillips had e-mail you can bet that Patsy had e-mail also.

    0743

    6 LOU SMIT: Do you know a Robert
    7 Phillips?
    8 JOHN RAMSEY: Yes.
    9 LOU SMIT: And what do you know
    10 about him?
    11 JOHN RAMSEY: He used to go by
    12 Nell, changed his name to Robert. He and Patsy
    13 worked together at Hayes Micro Computer
    14 Products, in Atlanta. He was a programmer,
    15 wrote a software program that Hayes bought, then
    16 they hired him to do the software program. I
    17 think he got enough money out of that to last
    18 him for a while.
    19 He quit Hayes, was an investor, in
    20 his own words, for a couple of years. Went to
    21 law school here in Colorado, graduated. Is now
    22 a lawyer in Atlanta or in Boulder that practices
    23 mostly -- was interested in estate planning.
    24 He's done some divorces and he's married to Judy
    25 Phillips, who is now Judith Phillips and she
    0744
    1 moved to Boulder. They have children. They
    2 have Lindsay, they have got two children, but I
    3 forget the other's name. They met through --
    4 they were either pen pals or e-mail pals, they
    5 had never met face to face, when they were
    6 engaged before they ever got -- strange. They
    7 got married, we knew them in Atlanta. They
    8 moved to Boulder. Fairly suddenly and we moved
    9 to Boulder just coincidentally a year later or
    10 so.
    11 Knell's done some deals for me, he
    12 did my wills, Patsy and my wills, set up some
    13 trusts for our kids.
    14 LOU SMIT: You had done this when,
    15 when had he done this?
    16 JOHN RAMSEY: Oh, maybe three
    17 years ago, three or four years ago. Every year
    18 he would -- it was a gift.

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    Good work, group. The record speaks for itself. Another jameson lie exposed.
    Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry,
    the philosophy which does not laugh,
    and the greatness which does not bow before children.

    ---Kahlil Gibran---

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    Default Patsy's room?

    JOHN RAMSEY: There's one jack here but it
    9 didn't work. I think there was phone in Patsy's
    10 room. But that was it.

    Excuse me if there is a logical answer to this question, but I don't recall any discussion about "Patsy's Room". Where was her room located and what was in that room? Was it her art room, bedroom, dressing room or something else? You all have much more detailed case knowledge than I do and I appreciate all the work you have done for justice in this case. Thanks.

    Peki


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    I agree with BobC. In addition I consider her internet business fraudulent.

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    is claiming this although the Ramseys had the Internet account, modem, dedicated line....they didn't have it hooked up because they hadn't been able to figure out how!

    It is true that the Ramseys had no Internet connection at their house in 1996 - - they had not been able to figure out how to hook it up to their phone system which had multiple lines.
    http://www.webbsleuths.org/dcforum/DCForumID37/252.html
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    Re jameson's claims that the Ramseys didn't have Internet at home which was amended to them having facilities for the Internet but not actually hooking up.

    As part of the search warrant, police examined certain files from the Ramsey computers. Three of these files suggest that the computer HAD in fact been hooked up to the computer. They are:-

    BOOKMAR.HTM

    This is file which contains webpages bookmarked by the user.


    PROXY.CFG

    This is also a piece of Internet communications software which enables the computer to connect to the ISP.


    FETCH.LOG

    This is a file which is used in FTP (File Transfer Protocol) - e.g. when files are downloaded from the Internet.

    I wonder if jameson still wants to claim that the Ramseys didn't have the Internet set up at home? Perhaps she wants to claim that they installed the software but never used it? According to one source that I found, the bookmark.htm file is only generated when the user actually uses the bookmark feature. Could be software dependant of course.
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    Default Come on!

    Why do you guys even allow yourselves to play into Jameson's game? Jameson is just a lonely housewife who has nothing else to do but try to get your goat and everybody elses. We all know the Ramsey's had internet access. For pete sakes, it was 1996 and thousands of people had computers in their homes. Even if they didn't know how to hook it up to the internet, I'm sure they paid someone to do it. Come on, think about it...Would our dear Patsy have a computer in her house and not have it hooked up to the internet?. I think not...She had friends and influential people she needed to impress..So forget what Jameson says, she is a nothing and not worth our trouble.

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