Misinformation on Other Forums

Discussion in 'Justice for JonBenet Discussion - Public Forum' started by Jayelles, Jun 14, 2004.

  1. Jayelles

    Jayelles Alert Viewer in Scotland

    More misinformation from jameson. She says:-

    http://www.webbsleuths.org/dcforum/DCForumID37/267.html

    This contradicts what is in the official search warrant affadavits.

    http://community.bouldernews.com/extra/ramsey/1997/09/29-4.html

    Perhaps jameson is going to argue semantics - ie. that the modem wasn't actually plugged into the computer or something like that, but her statement is nevertheless misleading (perhaps deliberately so). John Ramsey had Internet access. That was more than many of us had in 1996. IMO, that made him pretty much ahead of a lot of people.
     
  2. BobC

    BobC Poster of the EON - Fabulous Inimitable Transcript

    Jameson needs to stop pretending-- she didn't even know the Ramseys prior to the murder so who the hell is she to say what they knew or didn't know? This is just like when she tells people about the state of the Ramseys' marriage--she doesn't know one way or the other.

    I don't think Jameson even knows anymore when she's lying.
     
  3. Shadow

    Shadow FFJ Senior Content Moderator

    I have no doubt that John Ramsey had Internet access at his job. In 1996, most of us who worked for government contractors used the Internet to access government sites almost every day. Those of us in the contract procurement area (which JR was), were continually accessing government sites that provided information on potential procurements. I wasn't even an executive back then (worked for a company VP), but I had Internet connections at home to access these sites after work and communicate with people at remote sites with our company. It's hard to believe that a President with LM didn't have the same capability.
     
  4. Why_Nut

    Why_Nut FFJ Senior Member

    May, 1995, Computer Reseller News:

    Distributors quickly embrace online opportunities
    Ingram, Merisel, Access Graphics tap Internet to broadcast information

    Distributors and master resellers are gearing up for the age of electronic commerce and are beginning to tap into the World Wide Web as a marketing tool to their cutomers.

    Ingram Micro Inc., Merisel Inc. and Access Graphics Inc. view the Internet as a cost-effective vehicle to inform their customers about product availability, pricing and new offerings, as well as credit and technical support.

    Vendors are subsidizing these Internet sites through marketing dollars.

    However, security remains an issue and no product orders are flowing over the Internet yet, distribution executives said.

    ``The Web represents a new era in our marketing communications and in our reseller service delivery capabilities,'' said Access Graphics Chief Executive John Ramsey.

    ...

    Santa Ana, Calif.-based Ingram, Access Graphics and Merisel have reached different stages in the development of Web sites they opened this year.

    ...

    Tom Dolan, vice president of sales and marketing at Westcon, Eastchester, N.Y., said his company is polling customers to determine how many use the Internet and for what purpose they would use its Web site. Some resellers said they are concerned about the potential for dealer pricing and product availability information to appear on the screens of end users.

    To prevent this, Access Graphics, Boulder, Colo., requires a password to get product availability and pricing. Tim Enwall, senior project manager of customer solutions at Access, said the password will keep end users away and will allow the distributor to keep track of how many customers are using the site. Access' site, Livewire, went online April 10.


    January, 1996, Computer Reseller News:

    Internet Fever Strikes Client/Server Providers

    ...

    RAMSEY: We've probably spent more developing our Internet site than we made in profit in selling Internet products to date, but that's OK. I finally, in my own mind, concluded what the Internet means to us as a service provider and a seller of products. Certainly it's a way to interface with our customers. As a supplier of product, we're principally selling servers.[/i]
     
  5. ACandyRose

    ACandyRose Super Moderator

    My contribution

    Jameson wrote, "The Ramseys owned a computer - used it to write letters and print them out, games, stuff like that. Their home computer was not hooked up tot he Internet at the time of the murder. They certainly didn't know anything about forums and such."

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    See how she plays with words. They owned a desktop PC as well as a laptop for Burke and John Ramsey had a laptop computer also. They had three working computers in the house at the time of the murder plus they had a separate telephone line just for a modem. Now why would they bother to have a separate modem line if nobody was going to use it to go online? And why would John Ramsey be taking his laptop to a second Christmas vacation celebration to Michigan anyway?

    From the June 1998 John ramsey says he had a lap top computer he was going to take to michigan with him plus the Boulder house had two phone lines, one of them being a modem line.

    0128

    1 JOHN RAMSEY: They were, as I recall, there
    2 was a black carryon, one of those, I remember it
    3 was a pop out.
    4 LOU SMIT: You remember that specifically?
    5 JOHN RAMSEY: Pretty specifically. I think
    6 I
    7 had my computer; I think I had my little lap top
    8 computer there ready to go.
    9 LOU SMIT: (INAUDIBLE)?
    10 JOHN RAMSEY: I think that was set out the
    11 night before.
    12 LOU SMIT: When would you have done that?
    13 JOHN RAMSEY: I can't remember if that was
    14 before we went to the Whites or after. I think it
    15 was (INAUDIBLE).
    16 LOU SMIT: (INAUDIBLE)?
    17 JOHN RAMSEY: Yeah. Yeah.
    18 LOU SMIT: And you would have just left that
    19 by the door and then take it with you?
    20 JOHN RAMSEY: As we left, yeah. I would take
    21 it out.
    ===================================================
    0148
    20 LOU SMIT: How many phones do you have in
    21 the house?
    22 JOHN RAMSEY: Well we had several. Some of
    23 them didn't work. We had one in the solarium, we
    24 had one in the kitchen, one back here.
    25 LOU SMIT: All extensions?
    ===================================================
    0149
    1 JOHN RAMSEY: Um hmm. In terms of the number
    2 of phone lines, I think we had two. I had two. I
    3 think there was one that came out of here for the
    4 computer modem. It wasn't part of the rest of the
    5 house system. There is one here in the study.
    6 There's one in the basement
    7 LOU SMIT: (INAUDIBLE)?
    8 JOHN RAMSEY: There's one jack here but it
    9 didn't work. I think there was phone in Patsy's
    10 room. But that was it.
    11 LOU SMIT: But just two lines basically other
    12 than the modem line, or does that make it three?
    13 JOHN RAMSEY: No. Just a modem line and three
    14 phone lines.
    15 LOU SMIT: And what was your phone number at
    16 that time, if you remember?
    17 JOHN RAMSEY: I (INAUDIBLE).
    18 LOU SMIT: (INAUDIBLE) that's fine.
    19 JOHN RAMSEY: I don't remember.

    ========================================================

    Jameson has been ranting for years that the Ramsey didn't have Internet access back in 1996 and that they didn't have e-mail. She even went into some long post of bull chit years ago about how the Boulder house only had rotary dialing and because of that they couldn't get it to dial out on the Internet so they claim they were never able to use it. Give me a break.

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    From the October 1998 John ramsey's interview on the Miles vs Ramsey/Enquirer suit, here Ramsey states that he used e-mail as a communication even though at that time he states he didn't have access to e-mail via his home in 1986.

    Page 30

    1 A. No. Not development, no.
    2 Q. Is that the way business continued at Access
    3 Graphics through 1996?
    4 A. Basically, by adding product lines, but Sun was
    5 the bulk of our business.
    6 Q. You qualified it as "basically". What were
    7 other ancillary product lines or service lines offered?
    8 A. Oracle database software.
    9 Q. What is Oracle.
    10 A. Oracle is a Unix-based database software system.
    11 Q. What does it do?
    12 A. It is -- it's basically the ability to
    13 manipulate data from a number of databases for accounting
    14 or order processing or manufacturing uses. So it can be
    15 tailored to different applications, but all based on the
    16 fundamental requirement of underlying database
    17 requirement.
    18 Q. What other products or services did you feature?
    19 A. Silicon Graphics, which was another Unix
    20 workstation product, Hewlett Packard. A lot of little
    21 things, pieces and parts.
    22 Q. Access Graffics' office spaces are on the mall,
    23 right, in Boulder?
    24 A. Uh-huh.
    25 Q. Did you have satellite offices anywhere?

    Page 31

    1 A. We had warehouses in -- in 1986, we had
    2 warehouses in California and Pennsylvania. We had sales
    3 people in probably 25 cities, but typically they'd either
    4 work out of an executive suite or out of their home.
    5 Q. A virtual office?
    6 A. Yeah. We had an office in Amsterdam, Holland.
    7 Q. And servicing your employees and their virtual
    8 office stations, I trust you had a telecommunications
    9 network established; is that correct?
    10 A. We had E-mail, basically was the main way we
    11 communicated.
    12 Q. Did you maintain an E-mail station at your home?
    13 A. No.

    ========================================================

    And now back to the June 1998 Interview where John Ramsey is telling Lou Smit about when Judith Phillips met her husband. Both Robert Phillips and Patsy Ramsey worked at Hayes Micro Computer together and if Phillips had e-mail you can bet that Patsy had e-mail also.

    0743

    6 LOU SMIT: Do you know a Robert
    7 Phillips?
    8 JOHN RAMSEY: Yes.
    9 LOU SMIT: And what do you know
    10 about him?
    11 JOHN RAMSEY: He used to go by
    12 Nell, changed his name to Robert. He and Patsy
    13 worked together at Hayes Micro Computer
    14 Products, in Atlanta. He was a programmer,
    15 wrote a software program that Hayes bought, then
    16 they hired him to do the software program. I
    17 think he got enough money out of that to last
    18 him for a while.
    19 He quit Hayes, was an investor, in
    20 his own words, for a couple of years. Went to
    21 law school here in Colorado, graduated. Is now
    22 a lawyer in Atlanta or in Boulder that practices
    23 mostly -- was interested in estate planning.
    24 He's done some divorces and he's married to Judy
    25 Phillips, who is now Judith Phillips and she
    0744
    1 moved to Boulder. They have children. They
    2 have Lindsay, they have got two children, but I
    3 forget the other's name. They met through --
    4 they were either pen pals or e-mail pals, they
    5 had never met face to face, when they were
    6 engaged before they ever got -- strange. They
    7 got married, we knew them in Atlanta. They
    8 moved to Boulder. Fairly suddenly and we moved
    9 to Boulder just coincidentally a year later or
    10 so.
    11 Knell's done some deals for me, he
    12 did my wills, Patsy and my wills, set up some
    13 trusts for our kids.
    14 LOU SMIT: You had done this when,
    15 when had he done this?
    16 JOHN RAMSEY: Oh, maybe three
    17 years ago, three or four years ago. Every year
    18 he would -- it was a gift.

    ========================================================
     
  6. Watching You

    Watching You Superior Bee Admin

    Good work, group. The record speaks for itself. Another jameson lie exposed.
     
  7. Peki

    Peki Member

    Patsy's room?

    JOHN RAMSEY: There's one jack here but it
    9 didn't work. I think there was phone in Patsy's
    10 room. But that was it.

    Excuse me if there is a logical answer to this question, but I don't recall any discussion about "Patsy's Room". Where was her room located and what was in that room? Was it her art room, bedroom, dressing room or something else? You all have much more detailed case knowledge than I do and I appreciate all the work you have done for justice in this case. Thanks.

    Peki

    :cool:
     
  8. JC

    JC Superior Cool Member

    Getting back to jameson

    I agree with BobC. In addition I consider her internet business fraudulent.
     
  9. Jayelles

    Jayelles Alert Viewer in Scotland

    jameson

    is claiming this although the Ramseys had the Internet account, modem, dedicated line....they didn't have it hooked up because they hadn't been able to figure out how!

    http://www.webbsleuths.org/dcforum/DCForumID37/252.html
     
  10. Jayelles

    Jayelles Alert Viewer in Scotland

    Ahem

    Re jameson's claims that the Ramseys didn't have Internet at home which was amended to them having facilities for the Internet but not actually hooking up.

    As part of the search warrant, police examined certain files from the Ramsey computers. Three of these files suggest that the computer HAD in fact been hooked up to the computer. They are:-

    BOOKMAR.HTM

    This is file which contains webpages bookmarked by the user.


    PROXY.CFG

    This is also a piece of Internet communications software which enables the computer to connect to the ISP.


    FETCH.LOG

    This is a file which is used in FTP (File Transfer Protocol) - e.g. when files are downloaded from the Internet.

    I wonder if jameson still wants to claim that the Ramseys didn't have the Internet set up at home? Perhaps she wants to claim that they installed the software but never used it? According to one source that I found, the bookmark.htm file is only generated when the user actually uses the bookmark feature. Could be software dependant of course.
     
  11. Colorado Babe

    Colorado Babe Active Member

    Come on!

    Why do you guys even allow yourselves to play into Jameson's game? Jameson is just a lonely housewife who has nothing else to do but try to get your goat and everybody elses. We all know the Ramsey's had internet access. For pete sakes, it was 1996 and thousands of people had computers in their homes. Even if they didn't know how to hook it up to the internet, I'm sure they paid someone to do it. Come on, think about it...Would our dear Patsy have a computer in her house and not have it hooked up to the internet?. I think not...She had friends and influential people she needed to impress..So forget what Jameson says, she is a nothing and not worth our trouble.
     
  12. purr

    purr Active Member

    ditto

    ditto
     
  13. Jayelles

    Jayelles Alert Viewer in Scotland

    Well, for starters, I don't consider myself to be playing into anyone's game. I think it would be plaing into her game to accept her propaganda without question.

    I'm not even sure why it is important to her or her members to have us think that the Ramseys DIDN'T have Internet access. It wasn't as though the police found pornography. I'm sure we would have heard if they had. The Tracey documentary mentioned somehting about pornography, but I intrpreted it to be comment about the pageant stuff and not claims that porn had been found in the house.

    jameosn claims insider information and has put out numerous lies which I consider to be dirty tricks - something which I abhor. Examples of her dirty tricks have been 1) her repeated claims that Michael kane tried to destroy evidence when in fact it was illegal copies of the police files he sought to have destroyed and 2) her claims that the Ramseys inconclusive polygraph was due to polygrapher error - a total fabrication.

    Since new readers come to the forums every day (and I have seen several new British posters since Tuesday's documentary), I think it's important to remind people of the credibility issues in certain quarters.
     
  14. Colorado Babe

    Colorado Babe Active Member

    Jayelles

    Gotcha.

    CB
     
  15. ACandyRose

    ACandyRose Super Moderator

    Jayelles


    I am 100% behind you on this Jayelles. :bowdown:

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  16. LurkerXIV

    LurkerXIV Moderator

    Jayelles

    Keep up the good work.

    You are the anti-jameson.
     
  17. Jayelles

    Jayelles Alert Viewer in Scotland

    Oh please NO!!! LOL
     
  18. BobC

    BobC Poster of the EON - Fabulous Inimitable Transcript

    I'm with you, CB. Catching Jameson lying is like catching Reverand Al Sharpton being black. She is a Stepford wife. All she does is parrot whatever the Ramseys say so who cares? I mean to even entertain the thought that someone like John Ramsey, who was selling computers for a living, didn't himself own a computer or have internet access is beneath absurd. Way beneath. Jameson is a psychopath. Ignore her.
     
  19. JC

    JC Superior Cool Member

    Testing how to quote & use italics. I couldn't agree more with this, Jayelles. People should know it is nothing more than her forum to have her say her way. (Her words.) I saw her bring your posts over to her site often.
     
  20. Jayelles

    Jayelles Alert Viewer in Scotland

    ROFL - jameson spins again

    jameson responds:-

    Let me jog her memory:-

    She also says:-

    Oh Deary Me - word games. Lou Smit's PowerPoint presentation was made from crime scene photographs and other documents which he had illegally scanned before he resigned. So strictly speaking, yes the PowerPoint presentation itself was not a copy in its entirety.

    BUT, Michael Kane did not seek to have Smit destroy "a PowerPoint Presentation," he sought to have him erase all copies of the images and scans which he had removed illegally from the police files. Read the Complaint for injunctive relief:-

    Go through the Complaint with a finetooth comb and you will find that Hunter/Kane only requested permission to permanently erase those scans and photocopies which Smit made. COPIES OF DOCUMENTS AND IMAGES WHICH STILL EXISTED. In fact, PowerPoint presentation isn't even mentioned in the Complaint.

    http://thewebsafe.tripod.com/02011999huntervssmit.htm

    Common sense should tell readers that Michael kane didn't go to court and ask for permission to erase evidence which pointed to an intruder so that he could frame the ramseys!

    jameson spins again.
     
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