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    Default Conspiracy Vs Stupidity

    After a long and thorough study of the Ramsey case and all that
    surrounds it, I have come to the conclusion there is an ongoing
    conspiracy accounting for what we see. I reluctantly arrive at
    this conclusion, but am obliged to do so by default. It is not
    possible that so many can be so stupid. Ergo, there is
    necessarily a gigantic conspiracy involving many persons. Not
    surprisingly, it’s the old standard motivation, attention and
    money.

    The Ramseys have constantly complained that the BPD focused only
    on them as suspects. This is a lie although evidence says THEY
    are the only viable suspects. Beginning at the beginning, the
    Ramsey crime scene of all material evidence localized, including
    a bogus ransom note and staged kidnaping\murder scene, dictated
    the parameters of the investigation and called for immediate
    isolation of suspects to those with ability and opportunity,
    i.e., the Ramseys. Although obvious and irrefutable, it didn’t
    happen. Why not?

    Had there occurred what was dictated by the evidence, the case in
    terms of interest and activity would have been very limited.
    However, if the evidence is ignored, allowing speculation without
    limitation, the potential media profit from the extravaganza is
    practically without limit. So, began the conspiracy including LE,
    media moguls, et al. The objective was and is to keep it going
    and keep on raking in the money.

    They missed the truth boat the first day, but many more
    opportunities to quickly close the case followed. All have been
    missed, including the one on Jan. 1, 1997 and the CNN interview.

    CABELL: Mrs. Ramsey -- you found the note. Was it a handwritten
    note, three pages?

    RAMSEY, P: I didn't -- I couldn't read the whole thing And I --
    you know, it just was -- it just wasn't registering, and I -- I
    may have gotten through another sentence.”

    Six days before saying she read only the first few lines of the
    ransom note, Patsy, without hesitation, gave the 911 operator the
    ending of the note. Just how much smarts does it take to
    immediately grasp that if on the morning of the call she read
    only the first few sentences, yet gave the 911 operator the
    ending, Ms. Patsy is not telling it like it is.

    This narrows down to Patsy knowing note content BEFORE the call,
    or reading it DURING the call. There are no other options. After
    Patsy became aware of the on-record, serious blunder, she claims
    to have read parts of the note while making the 911 call with
    said note spread out under John on all fours, and in a dimly lit
    hallway. This is her “explanation of how she knew the ending and
    gave it to the 911 operator.

    I seriously doubt that anyone could read the note from a standing
    position right over top of it and in the bright light. Patsy’s
    claim that while making the 911 call, she read parts of the note
    as is lay spread out in a dimly lit hallway with John hunched
    over it is a flat out lie. Not only that, it is a lie easily
    proven to be a lie by having Patsy try to demonstrate exactly how
    she pulled off the reading miracle. Yet, no one in LE or the
    media asked, or requested.

    Are we talking rocket science complexity, or elementary school,
    investigation 101 level? Even giving benefit of doubt and
    allowing Patsy lots of latitude for set up of the demonstration,
    no way will she be able to read the note even without
    distraction, let alone while making the 911 call; and without any
    break in the rhythm of the exchange with the 911 operator.

    Her “explanation” is just plain ludicrous. It is impossible to
    validate. By the elementary process of eliminating the
    impossible, when Patsy gave the 911 operator SBTC, Victory, at
    the end of the note, SHE ADMITTED she was familiar with the note
    other than the first few sentences and BEFORE she made the 911
    call. Try fitting this fact into an intruder theory!

    If Patsy would like to try to refute this, I look forward to her
    providing this visual demonstration that would send jealous
    eagles rushing to an optometrist. Indeed, if she will publicly
    perform this outstanding feat for me and the rest of the world, I
    will apologize for my error and become the Ramseys’ most staunch
    supporter. If not, I’ll stay the course.

    Is anyone in LE, or the media going to request this
    demonstration? Of course not. This would end the conspiracy and
    media gravy train. Same option: Stupidity? Conspiracy?

    So on and on it goes with more nonsense and more crockumentaries.
    As you all know, there are many more examples similar to the
    above, but one speaks for all. Do you see why I have to go with
    the conspiracy notion? If they were really as stupid as they
    appear, they wouldn’t be smart enough to keep the BS out of range
    of questions that would end the conspiracy post haste.

    Still, given the mentality of which I speak, perhaps a disclaimer
    is in order lest they make “ intruder evidence” out of my theory.
    No, I do not actually believe there was or is a conspiracy. I use
    this as a vehicle by which to make an important point: Stupidity
    rules the day, nay, not the day; in the Ramsey case, it has ruled
    for over seven years and shows no signs of letting up.
    Last edited by EasyWriter; June 15, 2004, 6:30 pm at Tue Jun 15 18:30:24 UTC 2004.

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    Isn't it absurd, Easy? I mean absolutely absurd that anybody but the Ramseys were involved in killing of their daughter. Now we have the "real killer" Bootman, only the DNA isn't his nor does the bootprint match, but there is another accomplice "on the run?" This is some of the dumbest :(:(:(:( I have ever heard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobC
    Isn't it absurd, Easy? I mean absolutely absurd that anybody but the Ramseys were involved in killing of their daughter. Now we have the "real killer" Bootman, only the DNA isn't his nor does the bootprint match, but there is another accomplice "on the run?" This is some of the dumbest :(:(:(:( I have ever heard.
    The closest thing to a parallel that I can think of took place a
    few years ago in a town in Texas as I recall. I won’t go to the
    trouble of digging through my files for all the details, but do
    recall the jist of the situation.

    A young girl was missing. A rumor started that she was abducted
    and murdered by a Satanic Cult. Cult “experts” were called in to
    “investigate.” Innocent parents were accused of being part of the
    alleged cult and accused of abusing their children. The officer
    who had been involved in the investigation was accused of
    participating in the alleged ritual murder and relieved of his
    job. Many lives were upset and\or ruined by the insanity.

    The situation finally got so crazy and chaotic, some real
    investigators were called in. They were unable to find a single
    item of physical evidence to support any of the bizarre claims.
    When the leader of the “cult experts” was confronted with this
    fact, he took this as “proof” of his beliefs and justification
    for all the accusations he had made. I may not recall his exact
    words, but this is close: “They are master Satanist. The fact
    they left no evidence is proof of their existence.”

    Does this kind of “thinking” make you shudder, or what? It’s the
    same kind of “thinking” that keeps the intruder myth going.
    Aside from “intruder evidence” being manufactured just like in
    the alleged satanic cult situation, there is another ominous
    parallel:

    JR: I think it is. I mean if this person is that bizarrely clever
    to have not left any good evidence, but left all these little
    funny clues around, they...are clever enough to pull the chair
    back when they left.

    Evidence is evidence. The terms, good\bad, are meaningless in the
    context. So, John is saying that the fact there is no evidence is
    proof of an intruder.

    While John is saying there is no evidence of an intruder, via his
    attorney and suit against Fox News, he is claiming the exact
    opposite. Yet, no one seems to notice any more than they notice
    that when Patsy gave the 911 operator the ending of the note, for
    all practical purposes, she tendered a confession.

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    It's been a real effort for me NOT to believe that everyone in Boulder must be totally stupid, because of what we've seen in real evidence to prove they are. I know Fleet and Priscilla White are not stupid, and I know Spade is not stupid. Otherwise, all we have to go on are the DA's office and Mary dumberthanarock Suma, aka mame/maddie. The DA's office should be representative of the more intelligent of Boulder, and, if that is the case, it doesn't look good for the general population there.

    I guess in inclusive societies such as Boulder, there's a lot of intermarrying and such - stupidity breeds stupidity. Sad, but true.
    Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry,
    the philosophy which does not laugh,
    and the greatness which does not bow before children.

    ---Kahlil Gibran---

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    In the latest song and dance is the Helgoth\accomplice angle. The
    accomplice is really the kind of intruder evidence the RST likes:
    Missing. I can’t help but wonder why they didn’t create 10
    missing accomplices. Wouldn’t that give them ten times as much
    evidence of an intruder?

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    Being on the interenet is scary. What I've learned so far about people is that most believe what they want to believe--facts don't matter. Americans can no longer seperate reality from cheap TV scripts. These satanic cult rumors seem to fly in every high profile murder case--but how many murders actually turn out to be done by satanists? Almost none. But it sounds all interesting and all Hollywood--unfortunately it's bullsmit.

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    Bob, you and I are in the same camp on what has happened to the justice system in this country. It could be that it's always been this way, and we are only now finding out just how bad it's been. It is a travesty and it isn't working the way it was meant to work. It's not about justice, anymore. It's not about whether someone committed a terrible crime and the evidence that is there to prove it. It's about how much defense lawyers can keep out of the record, technicalities, who can afford the most savvy defense lawyers and who can't, who knows whom and the ever present good old boy system, and who has the most influence and power. It's about judges like Judge Lance Ito who don't control their courtroom or who control it too much.

    Civil rights is a great concept, but that concept has been used all too often to get some skank rapist or murderer off, often at the cost of another victim when the skank rapist or murderer who has been gotten off rapes or murders again.

    And, oh, that stupidity thing in Boulder? It's not just Boulder. Stupidity is rampant throughout this country. We need a few more stupid reality shows on TV. That ought to help.

    I am as cynical as they come when it comes to "justice for all." That is just so much BS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Watching You

    I am as cynical as they come when it comes to "justice for all." That is just so much BS.
    My personal files of personal involvement confirm this many times over. The legal system is a sick joke. In my book, the likes of Mary Keenan, some lawyers and judges I know, are worse than an armed bandit robbing a convenience store. As much as I hate thieves, at least he is honest about it. That puts him one up on most in the LE system.

    Yes, WY, it has always been like this. It just that many are seeing it for the first time via the Ramsey case.

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    Kelly Dae Wilson has been missing since 1/5/92. She was living in Gilmer, Texas. I imagine this is who you are thinking of. It was on Dateline recently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JC
    Kelly Dae Wilson has been missing since 1/5/92. She was living in Gilmer, Texas. I imagine this is who you are thinking of. It was on Dateline recently.
    Thanks. You're correct. When you mentioned the name, it came back to me.

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    In Cass County, Texas, there have been two Butts triple homicides - one in 1973 and one in 1992. The two families were not related. No one was prosecuted for either triple homicide, altho arrests were made in both cases. The same district attorney, Neil Birmingham, was in office during those years. EasyWriter, have you ever, in all your reading, run across these cases?

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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyWriter
    So on and on it goes with more nonsense and more crockumentaries.
    As you all know, there are many more examples similar to the
    above, but one speaks for all. Do you see why I have to go with
    the conspiracy notion? If they were really as stupid as they
    appear, they wouldn’t be smart enough to keep the BS out of range
    of questions that would end the conspiracy post haste.

    Still, given the mentality of which I speak, perhaps a disclaimer
    is in order lest they make “ intruder evidence” out of my theory.
    No, I do not actually believe there was or is a conspiracy. I use
    this as a vehicle by which to make an important point: Stupidity
    rules the day, nay, not the day; in the Ramsey case, it has ruled
    for over seven years and shows no signs of letting up.
    What frightens me, Delmar is the brazeness of the Ramseys. They are too confident for my liking, and certainly act as if they are truly "UNTOUCHABLE" and this makes me think "THEY ARE DEFINITELY PROTECTED BY SOMEONE" (?). The audacity of Patsy Ramsey asking for $500 in contributions for their political campaign makes me freeze.
    elle: The RST can't handle the truth!
    Just my opinion.



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