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    Angry John Ramsey's political ambition

    I agree with the ones who said John wants to feel important...again. Remember... he promised to create jobs.... HIS OWN! He is using the celebrity status that his daughter's death...gave him,...to climb up the Michigan... social ladder. He is playing the pity me...card and hoping that people will forget that JonBenet was murdered brutally in her home and that they are still suspects in her death. Also....there is still the ? of JB being sexually molested previous to the murder. Mayhaps the whole reason for the elaborate cover up in the first place. He wants to leave a better legacy for Burke. This is an attempt to redeem themselves before the people of Michigan. They were in Gaylord with their Ramsey bus ...doing more politicing at the local festival there. The Charlevoix Venetian festival is this week and you can be sure he'll be working the crowds .... Using the notarity of his public persona to win over potential voters. The reality is...if the voters here in the areas in which he is running ...would just compare the candidates... John wouldn't stand a chance.

    Patsy likes the prestige of people knowing her and the attention she gets from the media and press. She lapped it up at their first press conference. I can still hear her tell me how much fun she was having. They love the limelight, money and the things that their money can buy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aurora
    I agree with the ones who said John wants to feel important...again. Remember... he promised to create jobs.... HIS OWN! He is using the celebrity status that his daughter's death...gave him,...to climb up the Michigan... social ladder. He is playing the pity me...card and hoping that people will forget that JonBenet was murdered brutally in her home and that they are still suspects in her death. Also....there is still the ? of JB being sexually molested previous to the murder. Mayhaps the whole reason for the elaborate cover up in the first place. He wants to leave a better legacy for Burke. This is an attempt to redeem themselves before the people of Michigan. They were in Gaylord with their Ramsey bus ...doing more politicing at the local festival there. The Charlevoix Venetian festival is this week and you can be sure he'll be working the crowds .... Using the notarity of his public persona to win over potential voters. The reality is...if the voters here in the areas in which he is running ...would just compare the candidates... John wouldn't stand a chance.

    Patsy likes the prestige of people knowing her and the attention she gets from the media and press. She lapped it up at their first press conference. I can still hear her tell me how much fun she was having. They love the limelight, money and the things that their money can buy.
    HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING NOT MUCH OF THIS BUT HAVE READ ENOUGH TO VOMIT ON.
    THE NERVE OF MR.RAMSEY RUNNING FOR ANYTHING BUT AN OFFICE TO FIND THE KILLER[S] OF HIS DAUGHTER NO MATTER HOW MANY DAMN YEARS IT TAKES.HOW BOUT JOINING THE REST OF AMERICAS FAMILIES IN SOLVING THEIR LOVE ONES MYSTYERIES?[JOHN WALSH]EX. LOOK HOW FAMOUS HE IS NOW IN HELPING OTHERS DUE TO HIS OWN HEARTACHE LOSS ALONG WITH HIS WIFE.THE EGO TRIP FOR ONES SELF ESTEEM BOTHERS ME TO THE UPMOST EXTREME.GET A REAL LIFE;AND GET BUSY ON SOLVING THE LIFE TOOK FROM YOUR DAUGHTER.OFFICE ELECTION IS NOT ONE.

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    Default My Thoughts ....

    Greenleaf and so many others had such thought-provoking remarks, that it's difficult to add anything meaningful.

    But here goes .... somehow the idea of John running for office has a surreal (bizarre) feel to it .... you know, it brings to mind some kind of show, that would be akin to Jimmy Swaggart & Tammy Faye having a run at political power with heavy overtones of the PTL choir chanting loudly in the background.

    Hey, maybe John (like Jim Baker) has visions of starting up a 'Heritage Time Share' conglomerate, for the flock that he most likely intends to fleece, all in the name of justice for Jonbenet, mind you!

    So many weirdos are in politics (Schwarzenegger sp?) ... when even Sonny Bono and then his widow got in and lest we forget, good ole Ted Bundy was an "up and comer" in the Republican party.

    God, I do hope the people of Charlevoix come to their senses.

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    Thumbs up Voyager you ANGEL

    I think you are right on the money. I think in some wierd subconscious way the R's are wanting the real story to be told. I don't think it's conscious at all. Ego is a way to talk yourself into feeling good about yourself again, but there is something else going on here IMO.

    Voyager I think you are very astute.

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    Default Shoot me down

    for this, but I think that dabbling in politics might have been part of John's life plan anyway. It's often the next logical step for some successful businessmen. JonBenet's murder changed everything.

    I also think Patsy is made for the role of CEO wife/ politician's wife. She is charming and can talk to people and she loves the attention. These are pretty much the qualities such a woman needs to have. We all have favourite actors/singers/comedians and we love to watch them perform. Yet the other side of that is that these much loved stars just love to perform. They have huge egos and they like to be the centre of attention (most anyway). If they weren't like that, they wouldn't get up there and do it and we wouldn't get to enjoy the performances! So it's one thing to criticise someone for loving the limelight, but these are often the same people who can pull off a performance that gives others pleasure.

    Everyone has their niche. Politics is also an arena which can be a fairly level playing field. Here in Scotland, we have members of the aristocracy running for office alongside aggressive ex-jailbirds. Each appeals to a different set of people. I surmise that John wasn't having a lot of success making his way again in the business world and after 7 years he might have felt that he had little to lose by giving politics a bash. I also think that even if he doesn't get in, Patsy will have had the time of her life with the campaign. Probably John too.

    I do think that the Ramseys could have kept all they had if they'd behaved differently after JonBenet's murder. Devastated parents demanding polygraphs and camping out at the police station to help get the enquiry moving forward would have struck a chord with most people IMO. I think they would have become the darlings of the nation instead of America's most hated couple. I really do.
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    Default I think

    DejaN's "2. To exhonerate their public reputation" is the best one.

    I tried to put myself in his place (I said I tried) and that is the reason I think he is running.

    Getting on with their lives...we have nothing to be ashamed at or else I wouldn't be running...see, we are normal good people.

    Don't believe they thought JonBenet would be brought up like it has been or their foundation...

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    Default Why indeed??

    Not a case expert like you all, just a lowly addict, but my thoughts go along the lines of trying to show their innocence. (show, not prove) I just think there are too many coincedences happening at this time. The timing of documentaries, dead suspects, and their friends, Fox lawsuit, etc. I think they are grasping at straws to somehow polish their public image, once again, and are hoping and praying that one of their latest theories or suspects will stick. Then they can say to the world.."See, we didn't do it!" Then they can truly move on with their lives in an arena where they will be in the limelight once again.

    There are many great ideas on this thread, and I agree with most of what is being put forth. Thanks to all of you for your hard work and efforts to bring this case to the forefront, and giving us addicts something to chew on every day!!

    Peki

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    Every single response on this thread is feasible as the motive/exlanation of Mr. Ramsey's desire to run for office.

    I am also greatly forced to consider:

    When they lived in Boulder, they were VERY wealthy multi-millionaires. In Boulder, in that time, they could afford the likes of Haddon, et al, who in turn, could afford Hunter, et al. This was the reason the Ramseys, IMO, were allowed and afforded the privileges they received, totally unprecedented in any murder case before or since.

    They moved to Atlanta. Their bank accounts,while by no means destitute, was nothing near what it was in Boulder, affording them less and less privilege and in agreement with another poster, also left them out of the circles they would like to travel in. I think it was very disheartening to be shunned by the elite who felt they might be involved in the murder, in addition to not having the financial status necessary to buy the acceptance they, especially Patsy craves.

    So, although still well off financially, but not even close to the financial status they once had and would like to have again, the real focus is to achieve the "status" and be able to travel in the circles that can be useful to them

    Should the investigation ever get into the hands of competent law enforcement, OUTSIDE OF BOULDER, they are going to need all the help they can get. They no longer have the vast amounts of money required to do what they were able to do in Boulder. The next best thing is to make the connections and "friends in high places" they might need by running for office, trying to actually rub elbows with the right people who might be called upon later to influence others should the truth ever actually become exposed.

    It's a win-win situation for them. Patsy gets to rub elbows with politicians and travel within the circles so desired while also making the right kind of friends to "help" them should they ever require it for themselves or Burke.

    It's almost like a savings account. Make the friends in high places, if you can, and if they'll have you, and then later, should the law catch up with you, pull out your friends and hope for the best.
    PATSY RAMSEY WROTE THE RANSOM NOTE
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    Default Greed

    Absolute Greed.

    Both John and Patsy Ramsey have maintained their innocence in a crime that only they remain suspects for, Patsy can't be eliminated as the note author but John was eliminated in early 1997 and since neither have made any real attempt to do anything to find their daughters killer; why else would they be so 'lazy' in their attempts? Because they know who the killer is.

    They can lie all they want and say "we will search for JonBenet's killer until we die" and they can literally say this until they die, but what causes me to see through their lies is their drive to succeed at anything; not just anyone decides to run for legislature, not in Michigan, not anywhere. They succeeded more than once in their lifetime and that's pretty rare for the average person, neither have succeeded in finding their childs killer.

    John had a hand in the growth of Access Graphics, but if we look back at news stories we are able to see that Access was the product of more than just one company that started in John Ramsey's garage on Northridge, infact I believe that particular endeavour failed and Patsy's father had to bail them out; if it hadn't been for Don Paugh's money maybe John and Patsy would still be living in Atlanta and JonBenet might even still be alive.

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    Barbara, it's interesting that you bring up Patsy's penchant for hobnobbing with the wealthy and affluent in high places. I was rereading the Bonita papers last night, and I came across these very same comments - that Patsy would dump friends she considered beneath her social status and how she craved being part of high society. I think Patsy does have this need to rub shoulders with the upper crust, the more powerful, the better. She craves the attention, and she likes the things great wealth buys. I think she is angry that she has lost her perceived place in society and that there is not an endless supply of money coming in, anymore. I think she believes she is entitled to be admired by her peers, and she will do whatever it takes to achieve her goals. I also think John Ramsey is a snob, as well.
    Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry,
    the philosophy which does not laugh,
    and the greatness which does not bow before children.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Watching You
    Barbara, it's interesting that you bring up Patsy's penchant for hobnobbing with the wealthy and affluent in high places. I was rereading the Bonita papers last night, and I came across these very same comments - that Patsy would dump friends she considered beneath her social status and how she craved being part of high society. I think Patsy does have this need to rub shoulders with the upper crust, the more powerful, the better. She craves the attention, and she likes the things great wealth buys. I think she is angry that she has lost her perceived place in society and that there is not an endless supply of money coming in, anymore. I think she believes she is entitled to be admired by her peers, and she will do whatever it takes to achieve her goals. I also think John Ramsey is a snob, as well.
    Patsy also believes, although truly far fetched as far as I'm concerned, that she is Jackie Kennedy material. Never gonna happen Patsy! She wants to be Jackie, or Hillary, or Laura Bush. She can see herself in that role. In my opinion, she can't even fit into the Monica Lewinsky role.

    Something else that I think of: If Burke wasn't doing all that well in Atlanta, having a father in politics might just help him get into the college of John's choice in Michigan, should his grades/behavior/social skills be a problem getting into a college. Just speculating, but a real possibility.
    PATSY RAMSEY WROTE THE RANSOM NOTE
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    Default I have a second thought

    After reading this whole thread and since several of you have mentioned Rammers motives as related to Burke I have this thought. Harsh as it may seem I don't believe for one nano second that the Ramseys have done anything for Burke! OH yes, I know about the law suits in his name but that was really for them. I have always thought that Burke was the forgotten child in that family while there were 2 children. Now that he is the only one I don't believe that they pay much attention to him. And it has been hinted that he does have some problems, be it social and/or scholastic. I hope not but how can he help it?

    Look back at the day of the murder. Burke was whisked away so fast from that house and away from LE. Why? He was sent off to someone's house and away from his parents. Why? I would have wanted him as close to me as possible at all times during that terrible time. Yes, I know why. He wasn't to talk to LE or the press. And as far as I know now I dont' think he has, except at the Grand Jury. Very soon he will be 18. I wonder what will happen then. Will we hear from him? See him more? Know about how he is doing? Maybe a TV interview will be in the works for some big bucks for his Parents. (on LKL no doubt) Just some rambling thoughts here. None of this helps us to know just why John Ramsey is running for a seat in the State Legislature. Well, he does need a job! Could it be that simple?



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