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    Default Fifteen Minutes Or Less

    Yep, here I am again with more “uninteresting” stuff about the
    cord and knots. It’s been mostly ignored for over seven years to
    the ultimate benefit of the Ramseys. I will keep bringing it up
    over and over again until they have to deal with it. In the
    following, you will see exactly why no intruder theory I know of
    even mentions the faulty wrist tie. I just want to let the
    Ramseys and RST know that this doesn’t go unnoticed. The faulty
    wrist tie and the rest of the “professional” blunders are hanging
    over their heads and one of these days, they are going to drop.

    The Ramsey case “investigation” is still ongoing after over seven
    years. Officially, over two million dollars has been spent on the
    “investigation.” (Not to mention disruption of many lives) In
    your estimation, how much of the two million plus was spent on
    chasing some intruder theory?

    Was there, or is there, any evidence to warrant this expenditure?
    Was there, or is there, any evidence to show that no such
    “investigation” was ever warranted?

    As far as I know, all intruder theories are predicated upon the
    notion of a perpetrator with much knowledge of cords and knots;
    indeed, described as having profound expertise in this area. If
    this is the case, and we eliminate the notion of expertise, would
    this not correspondingly eliminate all intruder theories? If this
    had been done in Dec. of 1996, there would have been no
    expenditure on intruder theories would there?

    Was there bona fide evidence at the crime scene to rule out the
    idea of a perpetrator with cord\knot expertise? If not, why not?
    If so, what happened to the evidence ruling out perpetrator with
    cord\knot professional skills?

    I shall employ a short fictitious skit to make the point.

    First Officer examining the crime scene: “Look, the tie around
    the left wrist has come off.

    Second officer: “So what?”

    Lead Investigator: “We do not have a resident expert on ropes and
    knots, so we shall just disregard this area of evidence. Let
    anyone made of it what he or she wishes.”

    An attempted wrist tie that did work, that fell off, is clear
    evidence that the perpetrator did not even have sufficient basic
    cord\knot skills to make a simple wrist tie that would stay put.
    This evidence, and this evidence alone, says loud and clear the
    perpetrator is grossly inept in the area of cords and knots.

    This is real evidence with a real message, a real descriptive
    characteristic of the perpetrator. It screams, “amateur”,
    “bungler”, “inept to the max.” Yet, it simply went unnoticed,
    disregarded and left to the RST to claim whatever they wished
    without opposition.

    Please, someone tell me just how much expertise does it take to
    know that if an attempted wrist tie just plain fell off, the
    creator of this scene was an ignorant bungler? Tell me, why
    didn’t someone step forward with the faulty wrist tie, lay it out
    on the counter and say to Smit, Ramseys and the whole RST,
    “Explain to me how you conclude professional out of this mess?”
    (After the stammering and stuttering slows a bit, we move on to
    more of the same type question about the “garrote scene.”)

    If just the faulty wrist tie had been brought forth, this would
    have stopped the “professional” BS cold; but it didn’t happen.
    Instead, this crucial and pivotal evidence was, in effect, handed
    over to the Ramseys, the only viable suspects, with these
    implied words, “We really don’t know much about this cord stuff
    and don’t care. Go ahead, take it and claim whatever you want. We
    won't interfere.”

    They did, indeed, make of it what they wished. You know the many
    stories spun by the Ramseys, Smit, Wood and others about
    “sophisticated”, “professional garrote”, perpetrator. It’s a core
    part of the suit against Fox News. Smit gave the Ramseys a free
    pass because John said he was a Christian. LE gave the Ramseys a
    free pass by allowing them, without opposition, to “create
    evidence” that suited Smit’s initial free pass. Did you ever see
    a case before where LE and suspects were on the same side, the
    side of the suspects?

    Yes, ladies and gentlemen, millions of dollars have been spent,
    many lives disrupted and John Ramsey is running for public
    office; all derived from or allowed by the unconscionable
    incompetence, apathy, and downright stupidity of the
    “investigators” who refused to look at and understand, or make
    effort to understand, irrefutable evidence right before their
    eyes.

    Worse yet, in over seven years of expenditure of much time,
    effort and money with nothing to show for it, they haven’t
    learned a damn thing. The fraud is still going on. Unreal, ain’t
    it?

    When I say the idea of an intruder can be ruled out in fifteen
    minutes or less, is it really as far fetched as you initially
    thought?

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    I know nothing about ropes or knots so please indulge me a couple of questions. John was a sailor. Does that mean that he would have some sort of experience at tying knots? As a sailor would he have knowledge of what type of knot would work or not for a garotte and wrists ties?

    While it is apparent that the knots were not functional in the manner one would expect, they do not look like something a woman would do. I know I am generalizing and I apologize. Patsy was the oldest child in a family of girls so I don't where she would have been exposed to knots and garottes. In fact, the very idea of a garotte seems foreign to me as a woman.

    Would a cub scout know how to tie a knot that would be functional in producing the proper knot needed for an operational garrote? How and where are these things learned?
    "Perhaps life is what happens not before, but after we miss the boat." Andre Aciman

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twitch
    While it is apparent that the knots were not functional in the manner one would expect, they do not look like something a woman would do. I know I am generalizing and I apologize. Patsy was the oldest child in a family of girls so I don't where she would have been exposed to knots and garottes. In fact, the very idea of a garotte seems foreign to me as a woman.
    Patsy did macrame, so she did have knowledge of string and knots. The "garotte" wasn't a true garotte, but a clumsy attempt at staging a strangling device.


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    Twitch, I have been sailing for 29 years and I can say with absolute conviction that if John Ramsey knows nothing about knots, then he has been wilfully putting his family/crews at risk every time they sailed with him. Knots are an essential part of sailing. Tie the wrong kind of knot and you can end up in deep doodoo. John Ramsey built a boat for heavensake. Is he saying he took no part in the rigging?

    Quite simply, I don't believe his denials about not knowing knots. I'll bet even Burke could tie knots. It's simply something we teach our children so that they can be useful crew members. A simple task like tying on the fenders when we are approaching the marina/harbour is something that a child can be taught to do.

    Traditionally, we practice knots when we sail. It's so important.
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    Default Thanks guys.

    The whole knot thing bothers me. Cherokee, I forgot she did macrame. That certainly would lend her some knowledge of the process - enough to attempt the knot and maybe not enough knowledge to do it properly. Thanks. It is just so hard to wrap my brain around a woman attempting that type of cover up but she is certainly not typical.

    Jay - I don't sail but I, too, felt like he should have enough knowledge to do it right.
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    Twitch
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    “Ew
    I know nothing about ropes or knots so please indulge me a couple
    of questions. John was a sailor. Does that mean that he would
    have some sort of experience at tying knots? As a sailor would he
    have knowledge of what type of knot would work or not for a
    garotte and wrists ties?”

    First, my bet is that you know more about ropes and knots than
    the person who staged the crime scene. I really don’t know what
    John would or would not know about ropes and knots from Navy
    experience. However, I consider it unlikely that garrotes and
    wrist ties were part of any such training even if there were
    training in this area. Aside from this, there was no garrote at
    the crime scene.

    Looking in a Boy Scout manual or any other such source to try to
    fine a likeness to the knots at the crime scene is going in
    exactly the wrong direction. These sources will have correct and
    efficient tying. There will be nothing in any of the sources that
    even come close to the blunders at the crime scene.

    “While it is apparent that the knots were not functional in the
    manner one would expect, they do not look like something a woman
    would do. I know I am generalizing and I apologize.”

    No apology necessary. I’ll do my best to answer your questions.

    “Patsy was the oldest child in a family of girls so I don't where
    she would have been exposed to knots and garottes. In fact, the
    very idea of a garotte seems foreign to me as a woman.”

    Keep in mind, there was no garrote. There was a cord tied around
    the neck. Not only is this opposed to garroting. It is opposed to
    circumferential strangulation. The tie locked the cord so it
    would not slip. The handle was an ignorant add on which again
    revealed the lack of knowhow of the perpetrator.

    In fact, the handle itself tells more. Off the top of my head, I
    can think of at least three ways to attack a handle to a cord.
    None of them take more than 30 second, and none require many
    windings around the handle. Interesting is the fact that one of
    the ways involves the same construction to create a slip
    situation that was not found at the neck tie either.

    “Would a cub scout know how to tie a knot that would be
    functional in producing the proper knot needed for an operational
    garrote? How and where are these things learned?”

    In the strictest sense of the definition, a garrote is preferably
    piano wire (or similar) of the proper length with a handle attached at each
    end. Again, there was no garrote at the scene, nor even a
    strangling noose. What I know about garrotes, I mostly learned
    from a WWII veteran explaining the training of “silent
    assassination” in combat situations. As for learning about ropes
    and knots, it was part of a past daily background. It’s not
    unique. Just about everyone around me had the same knowhow.

    Another tell tell aspect of the situation is the cord itself. Not
    only is a rope preferable for strangulation, the cord itself is
    unique. I have bought and used thousands of yards of nylon
    utility cord of assorted diameters. They were all round and all
    bought at a hardware or similar store. The cord at the crime
    scene fits neither. It is a speciality cord neither round nor
    found in a hardware store; nor is the roll likely to be found
    hanging on a nail in the basement. The perpetrator was aware of
    the cord and aware of where it was kept.


    Cherokee:

    “Patsy did macrame, so she did have knowledge of string and
    knots. The "garotte" wasn't a true garotte, but a clumsy attempt
    at staging a strangling device.”

    The crime scene tells of a person so ignorant about cords and
    knots that I can’t even think of a child of age six who doesn’t
    know more. The scene show an “intuitive” going here and there,
    over, under, through without the foggiest notion of what the end
    result would be - as evidenced by the wrist tie that fell off
    because the pull locked the cord upon itself precluding it from
    slipping down to the wrist as intended.

    It may be a bit of a stretch, but I have serious doubts that this
    person can even tie a shoelace. Although I have a pretty good
    idea, I can’t say with a 100% certainty who did the tying, but
    this thought comes to mind: Even if the person who didn’t do the
    tying watched it being done, or looked at it later, any person
    with tying knowledge would have immediately seen the horrible
    blunders. This leads me to believe that neither John nor Patsy
    have any skills with cords and knots, or else, one did the tying
    and the other did not even look at it.

    Jayelles

    “Twitch, I have been sailing for 29 years and I can say with
    absolute conviction that if John Ramsey knows nothing about
    knots, then he has been wilfully putting his family/crews at risk
    every time they sailed with him. Knots are an essential part of
    sailing. Tie the wrong kind of knot and you can end up in deep
    doodoo. John Ramsey built a boat for heavensake. Is he saying he
    took no part in the rigging?”

    Tying a boat to the dock is pretty much the extent of my
    experience in this area. However, on general assumption, I would
    say the ropes and knots involved is sailing rigging is a far cry
    from what was found at the crime scene, hence, would require a
    different knowhow, knowhow of certain physics not found in the
    sailing situation. Still, I take your point with a trace of merit
    as it tends to confirm my beliefs that Patsy did the tying and
    John never even saw it, at least, not to examine.

    “Quite simply, I don't believe his denials about not knowing
    knots.

    Aren’t you missing the point here? What do the denials mean if
    not admitting the ignorance found at the crime scene. Keep in
    mind the whole cord\knot scene is evidence of absence of knowhow.
    If I had a bunch of suspects, one way I would eliminate would to
    give each the same three objectives with a cord, knots and
    handle. This would quickly tell me if a given person has knowhow
    or not. One with knowhow trying to stage a crime scene would not
    have left such a flawed mess. Forget knowhow. Look for absence of
    knowhow. This is the mark of the perpetrator.

    If LE had looked in this direction in the first place, we
    wouldn’t be talking about this insane scene over seven years
    later. I still would like to give John and Patsy the tests I
    alluded to above, then ask how in the hell do they claim to know
    professional from non professional if they can’t pass the simple
    tests.

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    Thank you Easy Writer, it made me think about the whole thing all over again.

    Cherokee, thank you for reminding me that Patsy did also know about knots!

    The above is just my opinion, right or wrong, but please leave it at FFJ.

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    You're welcome, Twitch and Tez.

    I think Patsy had a rudimentary knowledge of macrame, and with that, she tried to construct a strangling device for the staging of the crime scene. She was in a panic, and had trouble concentrating, therefore, her efforts were very sloppy and quite primitive. I think she attempted a "hitch knot" to attach the handle to the cord, but in her haste and disturbed state of mind, she was not able to do it correctly. The entire "garotte" is a hopeless mish mash of construction made with her broken paint brush and a cord that came from the back of a painting. It could not have properly strangled anyone.


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    Default Thank you EasyWriter.

    Yes, I understand what you are saying. It is not a garotte. Thank you so much. You make things so clear.

    I have pulled up your analysis on CandyRose's page. If its ok I'll link to it because it is fascinating reading. I have read everything I can find before, but after so many years I have forgotten so much.

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