Michael Tracey Crock Discussion/BobC this is for you.

Discussion in 'Justice for JonBenet Discussion - Public Forum' started by Tricia, Aug 6, 2004.

  1. Tricia

    Tricia Administrator Staff Member

    Hi All,

    I would like you to read the Michael Tracey crock transcript. It's located here.

    http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/showthread.php?t=5150


    Then, if you would be so kind, could you post your thoughts?

    I have highlighted several places in the crock that might be of interest. I know I missed a bunch of stuff.

    I'll get the ball rolling. BobC, this is for you.


    Narrator
    Frustrated by Police indifference, many with information passed it instead to the Ramsey lawyers. Eventually the paperwork on these leads filled 67 boxes. The leads were given to the police but little was done. These detectives have discovered an even more dramatic failing in the original investigation. From the very beginning, the Boulder Police had DNA evidence now believed to be the killers but what forever reason, failed to test it. It was in one of two small bloodspots in JonBenét’s panties. The police did have one of the spots analysed, it turned out to be JonBenét’s blood but within it, there was a speck of mystery DNA which was consistent with more mystery DNA found under her fingernails. Both had come from the same unknown white male. It all but cleared the parents. But the Boulder Police said nothing.
     
  2. BobC

    BobC Poster of the EON - Fabulous Inimitable Transcript

    Would it be rude to ask Tracey for footnotes or sources on this startling revelantion that the DNA fragments on the undernear match the DNA under the fingernails?
     
  3. Tricia

    Tricia Administrator Staff Member

    Or how about the WHITE male DNA?

    I am just getting started with this crock. Believe me. It's going to get good.
     
  4. Watching You

    Watching You Superior Bee Admin

    How does one match up three (maybe) markers under her fingernails with 10 (maybe) markers in the alleged underwear DNA? What did they do, say, this one matches, this one matches, and this one matches, so it's a match? Hello? What about the other SEVEN markers. The fingernail DNA was SOOOO degraded, it's not even an issue. The underwear DNA can't be dated; neither can the fingernail DNA, so a good defense lawyer would blow that theory out of the water, too. But, since neither Tracey nor his equally ignorant cohorts were trying to get this nonsense by in a court room, they are free to say whatever tripe they wish. However, it won't wash in a court room, ever. None of it will - not the DNA, not the intruder theory. All roads keep leading back to the Ramseys when you cut out the spin and the BS.

    No matter what anyone says, until they can date the DNA in the panties to the night JBR was murdered, and they will never be able to do that, then they can talk DNA trash all they want, but it will not fly where it counts - in court.

    So solly.
     
  5. zoomama

    zoomama Active Member

    Also Tricia and WY,

    I don't believe that race can be identified by DNA. I heard that somewhere or maybe I read it here on FFJ. It is an intangible thing and the hard facts of the DNA dont' support the actual results of giving "race" a genome to find.
     
  6. BobC

    BobC Poster of the EON - Fabulous Inimitable Transcript

    Zoom--what we regard as "races" are really cultural groups not based in biology. We are all mutts when it comes to DNA. I saw a documentary on Discovery where a black guy, a Mexican guy and a white woman had their DNA lineages traced. The black guy was like a quarter Western European, half African and some central American. But he looked black because those physical traits tend to rise to the top for some reason.

    The only time you can tell race from DNA is if the donor happens to have DNA from a gene pool which was extremely isolated for hundreds or thousands of years, like parts of Sub-Saharan Africa. These gene pools stayed fairly static because those people didn't get exposed to Western Europeans or Asians or whatever and likewise did not interbreed.

    Look at it this way--my friend Lawfan appears black. Her mother is white and her father is black. If her DNA was found at a crime scene, what race would they say she was? Same with Mexicans and Central Americans. Most of the people we view as "Hispanic" today are actually decendants of indigenous peoples who have interbred with Western Europeans and Africans (most people don't realize that the majority of African slaves went to South and Central America) for centuries. So these gene pools are hopelessly intermingled.

    Does that make sense? Now if you are lucky enough to find DNA at a crime scene where 95% of the markers come from gene pools in Sub-Saharan black Africa, the suspect would almost definately be black. But these "purebreds" are extremely rare from what I understand.
     
  7. zoomama

    zoomama Active Member

    BobC,

    Yes, it makes sinse. But I go back to what was said in the Crock by Tracey. And that is that the DNA is from a WHITE man. UMMMMMMM no that can't be found in DNA. Like you said we are all mutts in our DNA. Correct?
     
  8. BobC

    BobC Poster of the EON - Fabulous Inimitable Transcript

    absolutely

    No way in hell, Zoom. Western Europeans have been interbreeding due to their location on or around the Mediterranean Sea for millenia. Then when you add to that the astounding travel done by Western Europeans for centuries as they colonized Africa and other places--well we are as mixed as it gets!
     
  9. Tricia

    Tricia Administrator Staff Member

    Thanks for the explanation BobC.

    There are so many things flat out wrong in this crock that would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

    Please read the transcript. Read it several times. And remember FFJ found the mysterious Mr. X in minutes. His name is Steven Gigax.

    FYI. I spoke with Tom Bennett of the D.A.'s office. He confirmed what was told to Mr. Gigax

    Mr.Gigax has never been a suspect, is not a suspect, and they were not looking for him.

    Keep in mind that the crock states the private investigators, such as Ollie Grey, are working with the D.A.'s office.

    How can this be? Tom Bennett, the main investigator on the case told me personally that Mr. Gigax is not someone they are even interested in. WHY?
    BECAUSE MR. GIGAX HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE KILLING OF JBR.

    Gigax can prove beyond any doubt that he was in Indiana during the month of Dec. and on the night of Dec. 25th/26th 1996.
     
  10. Sylvia

    Sylvia FFJ Senior Member

    Okay read the article one time, it makes absolutely no sense to me. But you're right Tricia, it needs reading a couple of times, reading something over and over again gives more insight.

    Only thing I did see, was this Kenady breaking in to the house. Only yesterday I was reading about Helgoth on some news website, it covered the breaking in. But it said al lot of things went missing, if I am correct it also involved cheques. Now I can't find the article.
     
  11. Deja Nu

    Deja Nu Banned

    I.e, that Gigax has never been a suspect and still is not in the JBR case.

    Per Michael Kane in the 2000 Atlanta interviews of the Ramseys, fibers consistent with Patsy Ramsey's sweater were found not only on but entwined within the ligature around JonBenet's neck. Fibers consistent with John Ramsey's sweater were found in the crotch of JonBenet's panties.

    Tracey's crockumentary part deux sidesteps and ignores this conclusive evidence entirely. But that evidence is certainly why Mr. Gigax has never been considered a suspect and why the Ramseys remain under the umbrella of suspicion to this day.

    The RST can spin all the fantasy theories they want, harming more and more innocent people, but they have never responded to this culpable evidence in any way. There could be no other explanation for why this evidence exists but that the Ramseys were involved in some aspect of their daughter's murder and are lying their pants off to LE and the public. How much clearer does it have to get?
     
  12. BobC

    BobC Poster of the EON - Fabulous Inimitable Transcript

    Can you believe this clown is actually teaching Journalism at a college?

    Re: who's been a "suspect" so far. John and Patsy Ramsey ONLY. My source is the Boulder Chief of Police Mark Beckner
     
  13. Sylvia

    Sylvia FFJ Senior Member

    Few minor points

    I know the autopsy report clearly indicates chronic sexual abuse. I never heard of evidence of pornography. Anyone?

    Nope not end of statement, evidence, amongst which fiber evidence, clearly indicated their involvement. And not that of an intruder.

    What break-in? Do they mean the break-in by John Ramsey himself? The window he was obviously not worried about at all when he discovered it open the morning JonBenet was supposed to have been kidnapped? Or the old pry mark on lock of the door?

    There is not evidence of the use of a stun gun, never has been. There were bruises and abrasions found on her body. However, everything could have been resolved if the Ramseys wouldn’t have been yelling “they are ransoming the body†and weren’t in such a hurry to bury the evidence (body is evidence, sorry sounds so crude, but that’s what it is).

    Patsy Ramsey says about scientific evidence against her:
    Did she suddenly change her mind about scientific evidence? Yeah, as long as it isn’t against her and her dear husband. So are we now allowed to say to the Ramseys “I don’t give flip about how scientific it is. Go back to the damn drawing board†and add “It isn’t a match, period! It isn’t even close to scientific evidence, just slander.â€

    Does he mean the $54.000 the police suspects Kenady stole from the house along with some other items, beside boots? Yes found it!

     
  14. Sabrina

    Sabrina Member

    This is a lie:

    "During the past year, the new investigation set up by the DA’s office has uncovered dramatic facts about the killing that will shock America and which identify an entirely new prime suspect."


    I also love the way he said the Ramseys are "Impoverished."

    Does an impoverished person spend $60,000 to run for a state representaive position that probably does not pay much more per year in salary?
     
  15. Tricia

    Tricia Administrator Staff Member

    How about the line of John Ramsey may become a "carpenter." LOL Like Ramsey would ever break a sweat doing real work.
     
  16. Driver

    Driver FFJ Senior Member

    Well, Tricia, that probably stems from the Ramseys thinking he's Jesus Christ.

    :did:
     
  17. Sabrina

    Sabrina Member

    I think that was a barb directed at Steve Thomas who really did become a carpenter. Nothing else.
     
  18. BobC

    BobC Poster of the EON - Fabulous Inimitable Transcript

    John Ramsey sucks. :eek:
     
  19. Barbara

    Barbara FFJ Senior Member

    Some favorites:


    They live "QUIETLY"? What about the big campaign bus, ringing doorbells, handing out signed copies of DOI? What about making hot dogs? What about the CNN interview, the campaign interviews? The JonBenet "platform"?


    Nobody has forgotten. That's wishful thinking on the Ramseys part

    So where are the headlines? We're all waiting with baited breath. Not only are they NOT in the headlines, these "documentary" experts have all but disappeard off the earth.
    Facts? Dramatic? We all await and wait and wait and wait and wait and wait......

    Is zero a number?

    So where's the prime suspect? Is it the one that Tom Bennett is NOT looking for? The one that Tom Bennett says NEVER was a suspect?


    Mr. San Augustin,

    We're all still waiting to hear who the killer is

    waiting, waiting, waiting
     
  20. Watching You

    Watching You Superior Bee Admin

    Never before has anything been this easy to take apart, piece by piece. Tracey et al made a huge mistake putting this kind of garbage out there.

    When I get five minutes, I'm going through this freaking piece of trash with a fine toothed comb.
     
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