Ramseys Spout Off At PA. Christian Youth Meeting

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  1. LurkerXIV

    LurkerXIV Moderator

    Thanks to Greenleaf for this great catch:

    The Sentinel, Lewston, PA; Oct. 27, 2004.

    COCOLAMUS — “Until they tell me that they’ve done all they can do — it will never be solved — I will never give up hope.â€

    Those words, spoken by Patsy Ramsey, mother of JonBenet, whose yet-unsolved 1996 murder subjected the Ramsey family to unrelenting investigative and media scrutiny, give her reason to keep believing.

    On the morning after Christmas of that year, the Ramsey family experienced what John Ramsey calls the worst moment of his life. He discovered a ransom note in the kitchen and the absence of his 6 year-old daughter
    .
    “In that very moment — the kind of moment when you’re in the mall and you realize your little one is no longer by your side — I got a huge knot in my stomach. But, there was no relief of finding a little head poking out of a clothing rack to show that my child was simply hiding. I found her five hours later, in the basement, strangled,†John Ramsey said.

    The Ramseys were the guest speakers at the Central Pennsylvania Youth Ministries Adult Appreciation Fund Raising Banquet. The couple spoke to a roomful of parents and a handful of teens as they stood at the front of East Juniata High School’s cafeteria Tuesday night to share their experiences and their “spiritual journeys.â€

    The case is no longer in the hands of police in Boulder, Colo., where the murder occurred. It is being handled by newly elected district attorney Mary Keenan, someone the Ramseys say has “been an answer to prayer.â€
    “We are now absolutely convinced there is a competent, first-class investigative team handling the case,†said Patsy.

    Since Keenan’s team took over the investigation, Patsy said they were shown a room “filled with literally hundreds of notebooks of leads that had not been followed up.â€

    Patsy said the biggest forward step in the case has been the recent submitting of the “foreign male DNA, that was taken from JonBenet’s body, into the national CIA’s DNA codis.†The DNA codis is a huge bank in which the DNA of convicted sex offenders is stored, according to Patsy.

    However, there is a large backlog of DNA samples to be entered. In Colorado alone, there are 10 years’ worth of criminal DNA samples that can’t be entered into the system because the federal government doesn’t have the time or the money to fund such a huge undertaking, according to the Ramseys. John Ramsey said that some states don’t even participate in the program.

    In addition to the shortage of funding and manpower for the codis program, there is also the fact that some sex offenders may not even be arrested for such an offense. Instead, they may have plea bargained for a lesser crime, so their DNA is not taken, according to John Ramsey.

    This is the cause the Ramseys champion at every opportunity.
    “Every state and every felon, regardless of their conviction, should be required to submit a DNA sample for the database,†John said.
    Keeping abreast of their daughter’s case is only one activity that keeps the Ramseys moving.

    The couple also promotes the spiritual lessons they learned not only in JonBenet’s death, but in another death experienced about five years before the loss of JonBenet. John’s oldest daughter, Beth, was killed in a traffic accident.

    Other lessons have been garnered with Patsy’s diagnosis of stage four ovarian cancer, something that happened after Beth’s accident but before the murder of JonBenet.

    John said he has learned that God’s love is unconditional, and that no matter what happens, it is trust in the Lord’s promises that have kept him going.
    For Patsy, it is knowing that life is not about our purposes, but about God’s purposes.

    “JonBenet was in this world for a purpose. She fulfilled that purpose. That’s what we’re called to do.


    “Fulfilling God’s purposes gives us hope for the future. As adults who are entrusted with the lives of children it should be our purpose to make an investment in their lives. There is no treasure here on earth, nothing more worth your while than being in the future investents business,†Patsy Ramsey said.

    Section: News Date Posted: 10/27/2004

    As appearing in Wednesday - October 27, 2004 edition of The Sentinel
     
  2. Freebird

    Freebird Active Member

    Unfortunately for them, someone is going to fulfill Gods purpose in bring justice to the murderer of JBR.
     
  3. BobC

    BobC Poster of the EON - Fabulous Inimitable Transcript

    "She fulfilled her purpose."

    Whatever helps you sleep at night, Pats.
     
  4. messiecake

    messiecake Member

    Reading that make me feel physically ill.............Is anyone of sound mind buying that b.s????
     
  5. Greenleaf

    Greenleaf FFJ Senior Member

    something else...

    >>> Even so, Faber's attorney, L. Lin Wood, singled out the Rocky for criticism in an interview posted at www.poynter.org, the online home of Florida's Poynter Institute. "I've had dealings with the Rocky Mountain News in the past," Wood said, "and I do not have a great deal of respect for that newspaper. I view it as a cut above the supermarket tabloids."

    For anyone familiar with the JonBenét Ramsey case, this claim is nothing short of astonishing. As editor/publisher/president John Temple alluded to in a subsequent chat also accessible on the Poynter website, the Rocky was kinder to John and Patsy Ramsey, whom Wood represented, than any other major daily in the country, let alone the tabloids, which convicted the elder Ramseys of murder with each new edition. The Rocky earned ridicule in many quarters, not to mention the nickname "Ramsey Mountain News," for coverage that appeared to benefit Wood and his clients.

    Imagine: a lawyer twisting the truth and rewriting history to suit his current purposes. Stop the presses.

    westword.com | originally published: November 4, 2004


    I'll post the URL next. :leaf:
    p.s. sorry if you have already seen this.
     
  6. Show Me

    Show Me FFJ Senior Member

    I never thought of my children as an 'investment'. We've 'invested' a lot of money in raising them, though I'd considered that the cost of raising children.

    The way Patsy words the sentence leaves me to believe Patsy considered JonBenet a short term investment.....who fufilled their purpose in the 6th year of the investment, and was cashed into heaven.
     
  7. Greenleaf

    Greenleaf FFJ Senior Member

    entire article from Westword

    The Message
    Jolly Dodgers
    BY MICHAEL ROBERTS
    Michael.Roberts@westword.com

    Mike Gorman

    From the week of November 4, 2004

    Government is often derided as being slow and ineffective -- but the local office of the Federal Communications Commission is anything but. Just ask the man who calls himself Carl Nimbus. He's involved with Denver Free Radio, an unlicensed collective that wants to provide a musical alternative to the corporation-fueled fodder clogging area dials. Over the past several weeks, Nimbus and his unnamed partners have gone on the air three times, from three different locations -- and on each occasion, the FCC has responded to a crime Nimbus sees as entirely victimless by quickly pulling the plug.

    During the second half of September, after receiving donated equipment from an interested party, the DFR crew put out a signal at 93.9 FM. The programming consisted of automated playlists that Nimbus describes as "very diverse. We were playing a lot of artists that don't get any exposure on commercial stations: some local artists and a lot of national artists who can't get on Clear Channel stations." In reference to the aforementioned San Antonio-based radio Goliath, he says, "It's sad that five guys in Texas decide what gets heard around the country."

    Not that area listeners could check out DFR for long. Nimbus says that after three days, Denver FCC agent Jon Sprague and his associates arrived at the structure where DFR was situated. Sprague told the building's residents that an FM station was on the premises, which was news to them, because they'd been told they were sheltering a ham-radio repeater. "It seems a little underhanded, but it's the subterfuge we have to use to stay safe," Nimbus says.

    Sprague issued a cease-and-desist order and left. Afterward, the DFR allies removed their equipment and found another group of people who agreed to provide a space for it; they, too, were told it was ham-radio gear. Two weeks later, DFR kicked off again, this time with a slightly stronger signal; the power went from 40 watts to 150 watts. Five days passed before Sprague showed up once more, delivering a cease-and-desist order to the individuals at the second location. Shortly thereafter, the equipment was shifted to yet another spot, and on October 24, DFR types tested their gadgets for four hours without incident. They next flipped the transmitter's switch on October 27, hoping they'd have a longer run. Unfortunately for them, Sprague arrived after only about an hour, a cease-and-desist order in hand.

    The obvious way to make the FCC's job a little tougher would be to broadcast from a van that could be moved from place to place. Other area outfits have used this approach in the past, but Nimbus is reluctant to do so, saying, "It seems very Hollywood, very Pump Up the Volume. I don't want to get into that stereotype. We don't want to set this up and run around the city and be defiant." He stresses that, with the help of an engineer, DFR puts out a clean signal that doesn't interfere with any other commercial stations. As he puts it, "We don't want to stomp all over licensed broadcasters. We just want to provide a community service."

    Clearly, the FCC sees things differently and is aggressively going after illicit broadcasters here and across the country. As a result, representatives of Capitol Underground Radio, an operation previously profiled in these pages ("Air Wars," May 6), chose to delay their launch, which was targeted for September, rather than be instantly squelched by the feds. Nimbus, however, isn't ready to exchange his pirate flag for a white one. "This is all about determination," he says. "They bust you fast to discourage you, but we're not going to get discouraged. We're going to keep coming back on the air."

    By the book: While the public may think of newspaper articles as ephemeral, they linger online for a long time -- and so does misinformation they may contain if the gaffes aren't fixed. University of Central Florida student Jim Cundiff was reminded of this while recently researching a supposedly factual scenario mentioned in one of his assigned texts: Management Information Systems for the Information Age, fourth edition, credited to University of Denver profs Stephen Haag and Donald J. McCubbrey and Pittsburg State University's Maeve Cummings. As it turns out, the incident in question didn't actually take place, but the authors had no idea because the Denver Post piece on which they relied failed to receive the correction it so richly deserved.

    The roots of the story stretch back to April Fools Day two years ago, when Post reporter Trent Seibert, who's no longer with the paper, was engaging in a jaw session with Colorado house minority leader Dan Grossman and several other lawmakers. In interviews for the April 11, 2002, version of this column, Grossman said that Seibert "brought up this incident that happened in Texas where a legislator was caught on photo radar with a girl in his car, and the following year, photo radar was discontinued." That earned a laugh, as did Seibert's suggestion that the passenger seat be blocked out in radar pics in Colorado. "Oh, yeah," Grossman remembers adding. "We could call it the adulterers amendment."

    Funny stuff -- but Grossman wasn't chuckling on April 2, when a Seibert article headlined "Photo-Radar Idea Shields Adulterers," which portrayed the "adulterers amendment" quip as a legitimate proposition, wound up on the Post's front page. Grossman, whose account of the conversation was confirmed by at least one other person present, immediately demanded a retraction from the paper. But instead of simply correcting the item, which would have alerted all future readers of the piece to its inaccuracy, the Post allowed Seibert to write a second story, April 3's "Lawmaker Drops Photo-Radar Idea," implying that Grossman was backing away from a serious proposal because of adverse public reaction -- a spin that Grossman insisted was totally false.

    This matter didn't cause Grossman any substantial political harm; in fact, he was elected to the state senate later that year. But it lingers in the pages of Systems by way of a case study that reads in part, "By the way, because of the potential of photo radar systems catching people having an affair, the Colorado legislature has introduced a new bill called the adulterers amendment . . ."

    Fortunately, a new, fifth edition of Systems lacks that passage -- but DU's Haag, corresponding via e-mail, writes that "we are preparing an 'errata' page on the website for the fourth edition that will inform faculty using the book of the error." Cundiff, meanwhile, finds it "amazing that with a simple Google search I have ascertained that the authors of my textbook didn't do their homework!"

    Save some of the blame for the Post. As this circumstance demonstrates, refusing to fess up can have unexpected consequences.

    Double talk: The Rocky Mountain News took a lot of heat for identifying Katelyn Faber, the woman accusing hoops star Kobe Bryant of rape, after she refiled a civil suit against him under her own name last month. Nonetheless, other organizations have followed suit, including Fox News and a second prominent local broadsheet, the Boulder Daily Camera. According to Camera editor Sue Deans, her paper's move (which hasn't generated even one letter to the editor) was made because "in the past we've seen merit to naming people who file civil suits in such circumstances, and after having a conversation in the newsroom about it, we decided to go ahead and do it in this case."

    Even so, Faber's attorney, L. Lin Wood, singled out the Rocky for criticism in an interview posted at www.poynter.org, the online home of Florida's Poynter Institute. "I've had dealings with the Rocky Mountain News in the past," Wood said, "and I do not have a great deal of respect for that newspaper. I view it as a cut above the supermarket tabloids."

    For anyone familiar with the JonBenét Ramsey case, this claim is nothing short of astonishing. As editor/publisher/president John Temple alluded to in a subsequent chat also accessible on the Poynter website, the Rocky was kinder to John and Patsy Ramsey, whom Wood represented, than any other major daily in the country, let alone the tabloids, which convicted the elder Ramseys of murder with each new edition. The Rocky earned ridicule in many quarters, not to mention the nickname "Ramsey Mountain News," for coverage that appeared to benefit Wood and his clients.

    Imagine: a lawyer twisting the truth and rewriting history to suit his current purposes. Stop the presses.

    westword.com | originally published: November 4, 2004










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  8. Sabrina

    Sabrina Member

    "John Ramsey said that some states don’t even participate in the program."


    http://www.fbi.gov/hq/lab/codis/partstates.htm

    September 2004 - 50 States, US Army, the FBI, and Puerto Rico

    Am I colorblind? Do we have more than 50 states? Oh, I know, maybe he means territories because Guam and American Somoa are not participating.....

    I wonder where John gets his statistics and misinformation from. I am sure his 10 year backlog is alot of bunk too.
     
  9. BobC

    BobC Poster of the EON - Fabulous Inimitable Transcript

    Ahhh John Ramsey. As always, he's oozing sincerity. FROM HIS VERY POURS!! :violin:
     
  10. BobC

    BobC Poster of the EON - Fabulous Inimitable Transcript

    Sabrina--maybe purple stands for not-participating. Oh wait...
     
  11. JC

    JC Superior Cool Member

    Since Keenan’s team took over the investigation, Patsy said they were shown a room “filled with literally hundreds of notebooks of leads that had not been followed up.”

    I guess all those came from Susan Bennett. File 13.

    Talk about a church hard up for someone to witness. I wonder how much money they raised.
     
  12. Elle

    Elle Member

    Lurker,

    This Cocolamus information was already posted here on October 28th by Little, and before that by Why_Nut. We have been discussihg it. Just to let you know:) Now you have two or three threads on the same subject. Hope you don't mind me letting you know, just to keep your threads in order, if you're a mod and need to. :)

    Elle




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    COCOLAMUS — “Until they tell me that they’ve done all they can do — it will never be solved — I will never give up hope.â€

    Those words, spoken by Patsy Ramsey, mother of JonBenet, whose yet-unsolved 1996 murder subjected the Ramsey family to unrelenting investigative and media scrutiny, give her reason to keep believing.

    On the morning after Christmas of that year, the Ramsey family experienced what John Ramsey calls the worst moment of his life. He discovered a ransom note in the kitchen and the absence of his 6 year-old daughter.
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  13. JC

    JC Superior Cool Member

    The Ramseys were the guest speakers at the Central Pennsylvania Youth Ministries Adult Appreciation Fund Raising Banquet. The couple spoke to a roomful of parents and a handful of teens as they stood at the front of East Juniata High School’s cafeteria Tuesday night to share their experiences and their “spiritual journeys

    Oh, good. Not a church. Only a fundraiser.
     
  14. LurkerXIV

    LurkerXIV Moderator

  15. Elle

    Elle Member

  16. BobC

    BobC Poster of the EON - Fabulous Inimitable Transcript

    Have I fulfilled my purpose yet?

    I really have no idea.
     
  17. Tricia

    Tricia Administrator Staff Member

    No. I'll decide when you have fulfilled your purpose.
     
  18. Moab

    Moab Admin Staff Member

    Not until she gets the table and chairs you haven't. We certainly think you are awesome, but you know Tricia...no table...no fulfillment!


    But here...let me fix you a drink instead! :martini:
     
  19. BobC

    BobC Poster of the EON - Fabulous Inimitable Transcript

    okay. I'll just lie here like a human throw-pillow, intriguingly unfulfilled.
     
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