Questions I have after 8 years (post away)

Discussion in 'Justice for JonBenet Discussion - Public Forum' started by Colorado Babe, Dec 26, 2004.

  1. Colorado Babe

    Colorado Babe Active Member

    1. How does one overcome cancer, over and over again?

    2. How can Patsy and John continue to live with one another after all the lies and drama of the past 8 years?

    3. Why hasn't Burke Ramsey come forward to tell the truth? Isn't he going off to College soon? I wonder if he ever relives that night. I wonder if he will ever tell what really happened that night.

    4. What ever happened to Patsy's sister, Pam?

    5. How can two parents go on with their lives after losing such a beautiful daughter This has always bothered me and it really bothered me when I read the police interviews in which they ask Patsy if she had any previous knowledge that JonBenet was sexually abused prior to her death..Is it just me or did it seem like Patsy didn't care? she didn't seem upset at all. If that was me, I think I would have exploded...

    Anybody else have questions, concerns, please post away.
     
  2. Deja Nu

    Deja Nu Banned

    "1. How does one overcome cancer, over and over again?"

    It's a "miracle" to say the least.

    2. How can Patsy and John continue to live with one another after all the lies and drama of the past 8 years?

    More relevant, how can they live with themselves?

    3. Why hasn't Burke Ramsey come forward to tell the truth? Isn't he going off to College soon? I wonder if he ever relives that night. I wonder if he will ever tell what really happened that night.

    Until he reaches age of majority (18), he remains under the suppression of his parents. I would expect Burke will be speaking out publicly by the time he's 30, at whatever point both his parents are dead and gone.

    4. What ever happened to Patsy's sister, Pam?

    She's "moved on" like the rest of the Ramsey/Paugh family.

    5. How can two parents go on with their lives after losing such a beautiful daughter This has always bothered me and it really bothered me when I read the police interviews in which they ask Patsy if she had any previous knowledge that JonBenet was sexually abused prior to her death..Is it just me or did it seem like Patsy didn't care? she didn't seem upset at all. If that was me, I think I would have exploded...

    The Ramseys' only concern is for the loss of all that money and the "assassination" of their characters. JonBenet who????

    Anybody else have questions, concerns, please post away.

    Please see last 8 years of posts.
     
  3. zoomama

    zoomama Active Member

    Hey, CB good questions!

    I'm going to begin with #4 first...Aunt Pam. You know at the beginning she was everywhere on talk shows and esp Larry King Live. I watched and watched her tell over and over how innocent her sister Patsy and her bil John were. Then almost as if by magic she CAP disappeared from the airwaves altogether. I wonder why? Was it because she had had her 15 minutes of fame and that was it or was it because she herself came to a conclusion about Patsy and John. I guess we will never know until she tells. And along those same lines but not mentioned in your questions is the total silence of Patsy's Dad. I forget his name right now....oh Don was it? I dont' think he has ever spoken to the press about the case has he...not even to tell of his belief in Patsy's innocence?

    Now for #2. P & J can continue to live in lies because I believe they have repeated so often and for so long that they are innocent, and had nothing to do with JBR's murder. You know, when you repeat a lie often enough it becomes like a truth in your deluded brain. And I believe they are stuck in that mode of the deluded brain syndrome (according to zoo that is).

    Number 3 is not easy to answer about Burke. I believe that Burke knows something. I have off and on felt that he might be the perp in this whole thing and that is why the parents are sticking with their lies...to protect him. That, in a way makes sense. But then I don't put all my eggs in that basket. He isn't 18 yet but will be soon I think. He will be able to be free from his parents guidence then but will he speak out? I doubt it especially if he is the guilty party. And like so many young men of today I seriously doubt that he will strike out on his own as soon as he turns 18. I have always wondered about him and his weird answers to the LE back then 8 years ago. Is he mentally OK? I don't know. It seemed that he may have been slightly off center back when he was 9. But then I'm not positive. And if that is so, would that be magnified now that he is turning 18? Could he get a job and live on his own or will he be the clinging to the parents who pull his puppet strings all his life? I think that is is great question that could be explored.

    And for #5 well it goes along with my answer for #2 but then it can be expanded a bit. P & J are "good christian" people who believe in some kind of faith. They were close to their minister. I'm wondering if he ever heard their confession or if their religion has a "confession". If so that is how I believe they can cope with this all these years. If they confessed their "SIN" of murder and were forgiven then they can start a new life and tell all the press to back off because they are now innocent....cleared in God's book of any crime. I believe that is how they are able to function. By confessing and being given forgiveness. That makes sense to me. It would be a relief to them to have been forgiven. I have no idea what consequences await them in the after life after confessing. God is a forgiving God so they say.

    And now lastly your #1. Patsy and her cancer. She has had the most publicized case of stage 4 ovarian cancer in the world. She has lived through many bouts of recurrance over and over again. And I believe it was Tricia who said she looks pretty good for someone who has had to undergo cancer chemo treatments. I dont' know what to say about all of this except to say it is the most convient case of cancer and recurrences that ever has been reported on. It flares up when things are quiet and the news tends to forget about them. It flares up just in time for other news worthy events in order to gather more sympathy for Patsy and John and what it is they are up to at that moment. If she is the miracle person why arent' the news reporters reporting on how she has conquered it. That in itself would be huge news. and how come that isn't reported on (something like what happened to Lance Armstrong and his 3 miracle drugs for his cancer) I have a tendancy to believe that perhaps her stage of cancer may not be a 4 but rather soemthing more like a 1. But I have nothing whatsoever to base that on except for her "miracle" cure. It just isn't so. Dont' forget the drama queen...for her it has to be the most, the worst, the longest, the highest etc.

    Do I have other questions to add here? Not at the moment but I'll keep thinking about it all as I do anyway. Thanks for starting this thread, CB.
     
  4. Tricia

    Tricia Administrator Staff Member

    CB, fantastic thread. I am so glad to see you posting.

    I think zoomama and DeJa Nu answered your questions perfectly.

    I remember an interview John gave a few years ago. He was asked about Burke. He gave one of the oddest answers I have ever heard. This is from memory only but the essence is the same.

    He said something to the effect of, "He's ok now but I don't know. Maybe he'll have trouble when he is 40."

    WTF??????????????????????????????????

    Why 40?
     
  5. Lora13

    Lora13 Member

    hmmmm

    3. Why hasn't Burke Ramsey come forward to tell the truth? Isn't he going off to College soon? I wonder if he ever relives that night. I wonder if he will ever tell what really happened that night.

    Lets try this one on for size

    Maybe he doesn't know anything because the Ramseys didn't do it. Or if they did do it he still doesn't know anything about it because the Ramseys have a psychological disorder and have managed to convince themselves that they didn't kill JonBenet when they really did.

    One of those two more than likely. I really don't think that Burke knows anything...
     
  6. Deja Nu

    Deja Nu Banned

    Burke knows that his sister was alive and well on the car ride home from the Whites' Christmas party. And Burke knows his sister walked up the stairs to bed after they got home. Burke knows he stayed up longer, fiddling with Christmas gifts with his father. Burke knows what his mother did and which one went to bed first. Burke knows that he was awake and in the kitchen the next morning when his mother called 911. Burke knows what was said that morning by all the people in his home before he was ushered off to the Whites.

    Burke knows.....
     
  7. Jayelles

    Jayelles Alert Viewer in Scotland

    Certainly, you have highlighted the reason why it is imperative to give statements immediately and why ANY delay results in uncertainty and ambiguity.

    Do you have any hazy memories from childhood? Ever asked an older relative to fill in details? Ever been told that your memory isn't quite accurate? I have. I spent many years researching my family history and talking with older relatives and there were several hazy memories which I had cleared up for me. I had another interesting experience a few years ago. A house which my husband and I bought turned out to be one the same house that my friend's fiance had lived in as a small boy. He was desperate to visit it as he had memories of secret passages and large attic rooms. We invited them round for supper and watched as he sorted out the memories from reality! Yes there was a secret passage and in fact, we found bits of a toy fort in there which had belonged to him and his brother! However the house was NOT exactly as he remembered it.

    The Ramseys claimed that they hadn't discussed the events of that morning with Burke. However, he was only 10 years old and will be bound to accept his parents' version of events IMO.
     
  8. BrotherMoon

    BrotherMoon Banned AGAIN

    This is someting that drives me nuts about this case. John Ramsey uses phrases from the ransom note and the same type of phrases that Patsy wrote in DOI when he talks to the media. In DOI Patsy said the 40th birthday is a landmark in anyone's life. This is true to an extent. It is a cultural phenomenon. In many traditions, phases of life are marked in 7 year increments. Our culture has focused on 30 and 40 for major transitions in the adult years. These transitions do affect many people seriously, and some schools of psychology recognize these times as having biological roots. But the effects are not universal.

    I say Patsy's 40th was one of the major stress factors that led to her killing JonBenet. The rn is full of numbers, numbers are symbolically important to the author, and they reveal an anxiety about transitions marked by numbers.

    It is obvious to me that Patsy had a thing for the number 40. The fact that John speaks about it says to me that he is drinking Patsy's cool aid: he has heard her rant about the number before. Or did he just observe her difficulties over the approaching birthday at that time and come to the conclusion himself?

    And why wouldn't he make some kind of connection between Patys's irrational fear of the age transition, the content of the note and the death of his daughter and just keep his mouth shut?
     
  9. Deja Nu

    Deja Nu Banned

    Brother Moon, oh please, don't tell me you are going to launch into a numerology defense, I just couldn't stand it!

    Generally speaking, women seem to be more caught up in the middle-aged transition that occurs at age 40 than men. This could certainly account for Patsy's comments regarding hers and not necessarily some unusual fixation that would provide motive for killing a child. Many women don't cope well with their 40th birthday but, to the best of my knowledge, that has never been argued by a defense attorney as a reasonable explanation for murder.

    Trish, I've posted in the past about John's speculations that Burke may develop problems at age 40. Briefly, from a psychoemotional point of view, people who suffer childhood traumas often don't start manifesting any serious problems as a result until later in life. For example, kids who suffer horrid child abuse in their formative years often have very subliminal emotional and behavioral signs that seem to culminate into more serious issues when they get into their 20's. 40, or latter 30s, is a significant time of change for both males and females. There are massive hormonal changes occurring at that time, as well as lifestyle changes, that trigger subconscious issues to come to the surface. Interestingly, a surprising number of middle-aged male pedophiles didn't "develop" a sexual interest in children until their middle aged onset. Their histories reflect at least on the superficial, a normal heterosexual behavior pattern. That's why a lot of 50'ish men get busted for kiddie porn and the like according to current research.

    I am no expert on psych issues, so I would encourage everyone to do their own research and talk to psych experts on this subject. JR's theory of Burke having problems in later life most likely came from the shrink they took Burke to and, considering how repressed that child has always appeared to be, internalizing trauma and compounded subconscious damage, is very likely IMO. I would also be monitoring his psych, emotional and behavioral patterns now that he is approaching his 20's.
     
  10. BrotherMoon

    BrotherMoon Banned AGAIN

    I said it was a stress factor, not the motive. But thanks for proving my point with the second and third paragraphs.

    You might recall a lot of fuss and bother about Y2K. Transitions with a number significance can lead people to all kinds of irrational behavior.

    And please don't try to stick the term numerology on me. I'm a Jungian.
     
  11. Elle

    Elle Member

    I could have written this post, myself Deja, and I will back you up to the hilt with all you have said here. This is what I believe too. Burke Ramsey knows!
     
  12. Deja Nu

    Deja Nu Banned

    "I said it was a stress factor, not the motive. But thanks for proving my point with the second and third paragraphs."

    So what? A lot of women get stressed out over the thought of turning "middle aged." If you didn't intend to claim it a motive, there's no relevance in adding it to the content of your post. :2mchinfo:

    "You might recall a lot of fuss and bother about Y2K. Transitions with a number significance can lead people to all kinds of irrational behavior."

    "Transitions of any kind can be unnerving to people who don't cope well with change. So what? " :eek:fftopic:

    "And please don't try to stick the term numerology on me. I'm a Jungian."

    I don't care if you're a Martian, Brother Moon. Esoteric postulations don't fly in reality so don't be surprised if yours don't fly here. :beammeup:
     
  13. BrotherMoon

    BrotherMoon Banned AGAIN

    Let it be known that I'm counterpuching, lest I get banned while defending myself (Tricia).

    You are easy pickings, Deja Nu. And you bore me.
     
  14. Deja Nu

    Deja Nu Banned

    And you're a classic narcissist, Brother Moon. I'm glad I bore you (your kind often find me so). Please be assured you hold little interest to me as well. FFJ is not the kind of forum for these kinds of posts, so let's move on lest you do get banned, shall we?
     
  15. Elle

    Elle Member

    Right on, Deja! For what it's worth, There are quite a few of us around who recognize Moonbeam's hat, and guess what, Deja, we were all bored with this guy. :viking: I'm a Senior Senior, as you know, but I can whack a golf ball good and hard. Won the Ladies' Doubles years ago, so I have a good strong right hand. Let me at 'him. How dare he insult my good friend?
     
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  16. zoomama

    zoomama Active Member

    I realize this is an older thread but,

    last night before I fell asleep these questions popped into my head and then I really couldn't sleep.

    OK here goes, with all this so called testing and matching of DNA (I repeat so called) who is paying for all of those tests?

    Who has control of the samples? I was to understand that the blood spots found in JBR underwear were tinsy tiny...so with all the testing are the samples used up as in consumed?

    I thought that the BPD handed everything over to the DA's office. Everything would include the blood samples and fingernail scrapings and all other lab stuff. So again I have to ask who is asking that these tests be run and who is paying the bills for the testing?

    I remember during the OJ trial there was one specific drop of blood that was tested and was found to contain a mixture of Oj's and Nicole's blood (maybe even Ron's.) So once that was discoverd both sides wanted further testing on it by an impartial lab but with both sides present because the sample would be consumed in the testing and then that would be final. So they did just that and had both sides represented in the lab during testing. You know when I think about that single drop of blood containing a mixture of all 3 bloods I just shake my head in horror at the conclusion that the jury reached when Johnnie Cochren raised the race card. That was the only thing he could do to save that rat's :(:(:( and he did it. Anyway I digress.

    Can anyone help me here and answer any of these questions? Help me to sleep tonight! ha. :spongebobsquarepants:
     
  17. Gossamer

    Gossamer Banned

    I'm concerned how easily people are manipulated by the media. Jon Benet's killer is still out there we all should be more concerned about that than why Patsy doesn't explode when she is asked a question.
     
  18. 1000 Sparks

    1000 Sparks Active Member

    ?

    Still out there?

    That's not what the gov said, nope, no one is running loose...Boulder should not be afraid..remember?

    Why do you suppose that was?
     
  19. Tez

    Tez Member

    Patsy has exploded when being questioned. Remember the famous line, "Don't go there pal?"

    The mayor of Boulder at the time JBR was killed said there was not a killer running wild in the streets of Boulder, and I believe her, because at the time she made that announcement the killer or killers were in Atlanta.

    You seem really concerned about how people are manipulated by the media. The Ramsey's sure did try to manipulate the public's view of them by going on CNN. They refused to cooperate with police, but they could give an interview on national television. There is something seriously wrong with this picture. DeLOUsional has also used the media to manipulate the public's opinion of the parents. I didn't buy what he was selling then, and I most certainly don't buy it now. Lin Wood has also used the media to manipulate the public's view of his clients.

    I would really like to know how you think that everyone who has followed the case here on FFJ have allowed the media to manipulate us? Personally, I don't think any of the long time posters here would fall for that. Only folks that don't want to see the facts can accuse the media of manipulation in this case. IMO
     
  20. Gossamer

    Gossamer Banned

    That's exploding? I must explode all the time then.
     
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