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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenleaf
    Thanks for starting the update, Moab.

    The father of Jordan van de Sloot, the “Judge,” has prevailed. His steadfast reliance upon the story he rehearsed with all three of those boys paid off. Of course, this is just my opinion, as I certainly have no proof, but I believe that Judge van de Sloot knows what happened to Natalie, and wants desperately to protect his son. In order for the plan to work, the other two boys must agree to comply. It is a lifetime commitment to keep hidden the events of that awful night. The Judge, no doubt, has skillfully drilled the boys, as to the dreadful consequences of disclosure; thus insuring their silence.
    It is not an easy assignment to dispose of a body. It takes extraordinary thought and planning to do so, especially in such a way as to know that no one will ever find it. I do not believe that those boys had the knowledge, skill or maturity to dispose of the body. They had to have help, and who had the motive and knowledge to dispose of Natalie’s body? Think of the characters involved and there is only one person that comes to mind.
    This is a sad day for the Justice System in Aruba, and it is a sad day for the citizens of the United States of America, because one of our own, in the company of three Aruba citizens disappeared from the face of the earth. The last three people who saw her are up walking around, eating, breathing, sleeping, going to school, and carrying on their regular daily routines. In the meantime, the missing girl’s body is hidden on foreign soil or in a foreign body of water, far removed from her loved ones in Alabama. There can be no funeral or closure for the family until her remains are found, and the guilty parties are punished.
    The perpetrator who orchestrated all that is hidden (and the boys involved) is satisfied that his plan worked. Yes, they all think it’s over, but when spiritual law catches up with all their deceit and hypocrisy, his world, and the worlds of those boys, will come crashing down. We may not live to see it, but it will happen. For what it is worth, that is what I believe.
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    Greenleaf,

    What are your thoughts on this video Driver posted? I'll need to backtrack
    and read more on this case. The fellow in the video sounded quite genuine to me, but not according to KK. This video got my attention. I want to know more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elle_1
    You're thinking the very opposite KK ??????? I guess you followed the case and know more(?).

    I took it this fellow was saying they had an 18 year old who went through the same deal (?). I would need to watch that part again. Anyone else?

    The quote is "How this rings true to us, we both went through this at 18 years old, the exact same situation. That's why this is so unreal because [snap snap snap] we both lived it, we both lived the exact same thing." I took that to mean THEY were 18, but what they say is clear as mud, so who knows?

    No, I have not followed the Holloway case that closely, Elle, though I have followed it somewhat. I'm just looking at the demeanor, body language, and actual information these people are communicating. I haven't finished yet, keep getting interrupted, plus I am sort of doing a running commentary as I watch, so maybe I'll eat crow if they actually give ONE NAME or ONE PIECE OF CORROBORATING EVIDENCE that they're more than SPECULATING based on GOSSIP and SUSPICIONS. (My, why does THAT sound so familiar?)

    Still listening....
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    "University of Colorado Law Professor Paul Campos declared the letter a 'reckless exoneration.' He went on to state, 'Everyone knows that relative immunity from criminal conviction is something money can buy.
    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    Thanks KK. I'll need to read more about it, but that video sure got my attention. I see Cherokee believes them too.

    He must have got a copy of the private plane flight Beth Holloway was on, proving her time was wrong by four hours. That's quite a difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elle_1
    Thanks KK. I'll need to read more about it, but that video sure got my attention. I see Cherokee believes them too.

    He must have got a copy of the private plane flight Beth Holloway was on, proving her time was wrong by four hours. That's quite a difference.
    Elle, I edited and put some more info for you, just had an interruption and it took a bit to get it posted, during which you posted this, so just letting you know to go back and read if you want.

    This couple might have gotten a hold of a lot of things...they say they have it ALL. But until WE SEE IT ourselves, I'm not going to jump to "HE HAS PROOF!" CONCLUSIONS. Been there, didn't do it then, won't do it now.

    Maybe he shows it. Still watching....

    "University of Colorado Law Professor Paul Campos declared the letter a 'reckless exoneration.' He went on to state, 'Everyone knows that relative immunity from criminal conviction is something money can buy.
    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    Thanks KK. Appreciate it. Will also keep watching.
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    Note: One named "source" this guy quotes is...Ta da!...Joran...who said "Natalie said Beth was a Hitler-like mom." We all heard that one. Somehow, I don't consider Joran a credible source without CORROBORATION IN THE FORM OF EVIDENCE.

    Some kind of BS about an "ORGINAL" poster Beth made before she went to Aruba asking...someone--Natalie? Witnesses:...to call her...ALLEGEDLY. But it's a COVER UP because Beth and Julia Renfro then made a KIDNAP poster in Aruba. Wow. That's soooooooo...NOT MUCH, IF true.

    Ah. Other names: "Julia Renfro KNOWS stuff." Was that the Aruban news reporter who fell out with Beth eventually? Sorry, I'll have to get out the old mag article on this unless someone else remembers.

    Miriam Ann Smith, Natalie's friend,"...KNOWS STUFF!" Also a "Manard". So many in the states know...allegedly...but they're not talking for some reason.

    The guy is asked to produce SOME DOCUMENT...and the guy says "YEAH, but I'm NOT GOING TO GIVE IT," then he reads from SOME PIECE OF PAPER HE'S HOLDING LIKE IT'S THE HOLY GRAIL, what he CLAIMS is an immigration document with info entered into a computer "when you get off the plane...no way to screw it up." The info, he SAYS: Beth's SS#, she was staying at the Holiday Inn, reason for being here--vacation, what time Beth got there--7:45. "NOT ELEVEN O'CLOCK! NOT ELEVEN O'CLOCK!" (Smoking gun!) Good god, I'm going to puke. Deja vu all over again....
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    "University of Colorado Law Professor Paul Campos declared the letter a 'reckless exoneration.' He went on to state, 'Everyone knows that relative immunity from criminal conviction is something money can buy.
    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    Out and out spinning for the POOR VAN DER SLOOTS, so far.

    HUGE smirk like the guy has revealed the Kennedy assassination conspiracy because he got a copy of a computer read out that proves BETH got to Aruba 4 hours before she said she did. Since we haven't seen that print out, just had this guy reading from a piece of paper...it's still NOT PROOF OF ANYTHING. Even if that's correct, what does it prove? Beth has given a different timeline FOR HER ARRIVAL. Maybe she has a simple explanation. It's absurd to consider this is some kind of EVIDENCE that Beth is in on a conspiracy to cover up that Natalie was PREGNANT from Jugs, hid herself from Beth, and then DIED partying with her NEW BUDDIES. This is really creepy.

    More: Local people know? "SO MANY PEOPLE KNOW, THIS PERSON KNOWS, THAT PERSON KNOWS" and "...they're so...we...Edwards over there...Minister this and that we told a year ago...shook their heads...blahblahblah...." [Damn! I knew I shoulda' ordered that "Illiterate Speaker Decoder Ring" from that cereal box last month!] "One of them that knows that Natalie was alive...is...still in prison right now that had went after the fact, there is other people [on it?] that knows from that area down there that she was alive weeks later, but it's like who's going to want to say anything?" Whew. I can't type as fast as this man talks. SPINNING 2000 words a minute--few of them connected to any complete thought.

    "Dolphie Richardson" (prosecutor? official?) is named by this couple, also "Minister Brieson's asst." (sp?), as having MET with them, and "...[important officials] were surprised how it was handled at the police dept." The couple will VOUCH for this minister's asst. and Richardson, etc. (hahahaha Nice switcheroo: who's vouching for YOU, Dry Mouth?) BELIEVE THIS GUY WHEN HE REVEALS NATALIE DIED PARTYING WITH HER BENEFACTORS, says he.

    The reporters are quite good, BTW. Asked why the people who had Natalie didn't bring Natalie's body in for the substantial reward and such, Dawg Wannabe said they were SCARED as she had OVERDOSED PARTYING with them and because of what happened to Joran. Back to trashing Beth as Hitler mom. Asked how these run-away Natalie benefactors hid the body, Faux Dawg NOW says anybody can do anything (oops--except JORAN, of course).

    And they're off on ANOTHER story about a total stranger being pulled out of a "store"? Who was CONNECTED TO A MURDER which was committed BECAUSE OF KNOWLEDGE THAT NATALIE WAS ALIVE? Sorry, BULLCHIT.

    I am sorry, but let's pause: These generous protectors of Natalie on the run, prison TYPES with STREET NAMES, were so KIND as to help NATALIE escape her NAZI MOM BETH AND MOLESTER JUGS, and even THREW IN ENOUGH DRUGS TO KILL PREGNANT PARTY ANIMAL NATALIE, THEY WERE SO GENEROUS. But then they didn't even bother to simply hire a lawyer to negotiate for them and make a DEAL for the body and collect the reward, WITH IMPUNITY? Giving Natalie's parents some peace, getting the "suspects" and Aruba off the hook? And NOT ONE PERSON who happened to KNOW ANY of this had happened to Natalie, maybe not involved but having heard the talk about it or seen Natalie, etc., wants to collect that HUGE REWARD by turning in the info? I mean...NO CRIME WAS COMMITTED, according to these clowns. The autopsy would confirm that.

    And...if this brain trust is SOOOOOOOO brilliant, just why does he not QUESTION the ALLEGED story HE IS CLAIMING HE HAS FOUND OUT (but wasn't THERE, I'm guessing) that NATALIE DIED PARTYING BY ACCIDENT, if she was in fact WITH CRIMINAL TYPES WITH STREET NAMES WHO MURDERED SOMEONE ELSE BRUTALLY to cover up this entire ACCIDENT?

    HAHAHAHAHAHA I swear, I AM SORRY, but this is about as credible as Nancy Krebs.

    But I haven't finished yet...maybe I'm ALL WRONG.... Still watching....
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    "University of Colorado Law Professor Paul Campos declared the letter a 'reckless exoneration.' He went on to state, 'Everyone knows that relative immunity from criminal conviction is something money can buy.
    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    Who the heck is "Edward Cruise...right there"? Poor old Edward keeps getting referred to, so I hope he's prepared. Doppleganger Dawg says Edward WITNESSED..."it"...regarding the MURDER because SOMEONE KNEW TOO MUCH. They won't give any VICTIM NAME, though. That's to do with the "girl" they pulled out of "the store"?

    And Beth is also being blamed...for their DIVULGING THIS NOW...BECAUSE SHE ASKED THEM TO COME? They make no sense whatsoever.

    Oh, and "PROVE US WRONG".

    It's NOT ABOUT MONEY: they're doing this because they are so altruistic, putting their business on hold, spending their own money. Their business is international and everything...all the magazines...? This guy couldn't complete a thought if his earrings depended upon it.

    They'll give their info to the FBI. hehehe

    Mics go down and it's hard to hear them now.

    This is all they'll give now, until people start diving in. Just listen to them. "THIS IS NOT HEARSAY." This is what BETH told them PERSONALLY. [But hearsay is all WE, the audience, have seen so far. Not too quick on the uptake, is he?]

    They do hospice, "That's what we do." And now they're psychologists, lecturing on how people become ill from knowing stuff and not telling. (A little bit about their "methods" of persuasion in public speaking later.)

    Oh...THE AGENDA IS REVEALED:

    "[BETH] TOOK STUFF OF OURS, TO KEEP THIS COVERED UP. SHE WOULD NOT GIVE IT BACK. ...SHE LIED ABOUT US [to some official?]"
    (Evil Beth! See how nice we are?) They CLAIM they're standing up for the poor Van der Sloots and Aruba. Beth's best friends have "SOLD HER OUT", telling Beth's secrets to...them? Hm. Now...why would these best friends do that? Maybe we'll learn...?

    Now the guy is doing an IMAGINED dialog between Beth and Natalie, an argument allegedly about Natalie refusing to come home, and Beth incensed, threatening to drag Natalie back by the hair. As far as I can tell, THIS isn't what BETH told this couple, but what their FRIENDS SOLD HER OUT by TELLING THIS COUPLE--"It was told to us." That WOULD be HEARSAY. Natalie has run away before in the states, according to this guy. And Beth is the witch who is knowingly using the Van der Sloots to keep the suspicion off of...herself...for some reason.... Oh, yeah, to keep the family "incest secrets".

    Well, now we know who has been spreading the malicious gossip about Beth for so long.

    Now they're advertising their business again: "We've worked with [this tv show and that one--general name dropping]."

    Back to Beth's arrival time being a lie, got there on friend's private jet. Beth couldn't have seen the lights of Aruba at 7:45 pm there. Beth's "BEST FRIENDS" have told this couple SO MUCH. Poor Beth. If that's true, I'd be checking my "friends" list.

    Oh my god. Now they're going to tell the "WE SAVED THE GIRL IN THE STORE" STORY. A year ago, "...WE SAVED A GIRL FROM SUICIDE, LITERALLY." The "girl" had a little boy, they throw in. Cue violins, please: It was because the "girl's" friend had been BRUTALLY...BRUTALLY...murdered...because of "this". "Edward" witnessed this girl's suicide attempt, they say...though Edward ain't even on camera and haven't heard a peep from him. Now they're BEST FRIENDS with this "girl", and they QUOTE HER as saying "You saved my life." [Okay, it doesn't GET more self-congratulatory than this. Maybe they should wear t-shirts saying "I'M GREAT, BUT I'M HUMBLE ABOUT IT."]

    So...if they can stop patting themselves on the back, maybe I'll get to the actual story of what happened.

    Okay, that's clear as mud. Now they're PSYCHIC? They apparently CALLED EDWARD and told him THIS IS WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN [when they got to the store they pulled the "girl" out of]...AND IT DID! They didn't KNOW the "girl", but they gave Edward the "girl's" name; the woman with Deputy Dogma at this press conference went into the store, grabbed the "girl" and "told her" everything that had happened [to Natalie? to the BRUTALLY MURDERED friend of the "girl's"?]. The girl then BOOM, collapsed!

    Then, if I'm able to decipher this guy's SHORTHAND for facts, seems Edward had been told by Captain Sunglasses' female partner everything the "girl" was going to say, and she said it! Bringing Edward to tears. And now we learn who EDWARD IS...sort of. Edward then SET UP this news conference because "he knows what we say is true"!

    Uh...question! [I"m so irritating like that.] WHERE'S THE PART ABOUT THE SUICIDE ATTEMPT YOU SAVED THIS GIRL FROM WHEN YOU "PULLED" HER OUT OF THE STORE? Cap'n Sunglasses says he brings PRESENTS to this GOOD FRIEND now and her son. Hellloooo? What STORY? HOW DID YOU KNOW IT BEFORE THE "GIRL" TOLD IT? PSYCHIC?

    Asked where Natalie was on the island while people were looking for her (I think), the guy says other end. No, he won't NAME NAMES. (How did I KNOW that was coming?) Says he and blondie are "still here", but last time on the island they were using fake names, moved around from hotel to hotel, blahblahblah. Just get this out! It's a SIMPLE SIMPLE SIMPLE SIMPLE STORY! It started AT THE HOME. It's all BETH'S AND THE MOLESTING STEP-FATHER'S FAULT!

    (Dear god, please deliver us from DUMBAZZ DO-GOODERS WITH THEIR OWN AGENDAS.)

    Well, that's all folks. No evidence. No names that mean anything. No one else corroborating nothing. Wild tales. IMPROBABLE TALES. UNSUPPORTED TALES.

    In a NEWS conference called to GET OUT THE TRUTH. But NOTHING to back up their WILD STORIES.

    Am I the only one who is finding this so familiar, I can tell you right now what this is all about? PUBLICITY. SPIN. HIDDEN AGENDAS.

    I don't believe anything this creepy couple says. Some may be true, but if they're telling the truth, why is that guy talking ninety miles an hour, about as coherent as Charles Manson on speed? He's trying to draw credibility from the audience by telling the people to whom HE'S TELLING THIS BS STORY that "THEY" ARE RIGHT, IT'S TRUE?! What? "THEY" HAVEN'T SAID ANYTHING, YOU'RE THE ONE DOING ALL THE TALKING, BOZO! One person allegedly shook his/her head OFF CAMERA at something the guy doing ALL the talking said, AND THAT TURNED INTO "YOU ARE RIGHT! YOU KNOW!"

    It's a common con, people. They're not even good at it. Look at them--cheap trash peddling nothing but innuendoes, wild tales told in convoluted fashion no one can follow much, no real details anyone can check, no actual evidence, and corroboration non-existent. Personal testimony to...ALLEGED GOSSIP. It just won't wash.

    Think: If Beth really knew these people, why would she trust them, since they ADMIT they bonded with the VAN DER SLOOTS in '05, believing Joran to be innocent? Why would BETH have CONFIDED in FRIENDS AND ALLIES OF THE SLOOTS? Why would Beth's BEST FRIENDS have confided in VAN DER SLOOT SUPPORTERS? Natalie disappeared not long before that "bonding" with the Van der Sloots. So did these people LIE to Beth to get her confidence? How long? If so, THEY SET BETH UP, and knew they were doing so ALL THIS TIME. That's underhanded and it's predatory in a HIGH PROFILE MISSING PERSON CASE. PURE CON artist, preying on a DEVASTATED FAMILY. Beth lost her daughter: NOW these sycophants are calling a press conference and directly BLAMING BETH FOR IT ALL, ADDING THE WORST KIND OF HATEFUL GOSSIP OF INCEST.

    Is ANY of it true? Not until someone comes forward to corroborate, someone CREDIBLE and with EVIDENCE. You know--a pregnancy test result? A body location? Tapes or pictures? SOMETHING?

    I will say the reporters were right on it, though. I don't think this duo fooled them at all.

    So sorry to disagree, Chero and anyone who thinks there's something to this: think Pete Peterson and the "McReynolds did it" news conference so long ago. Think Michael Tracey and Lou Smit. NANCY KREBS SHILLS? Pure scam for personal gain, dressed up in fake claims of humanitarian concern.

    I hope Beth calls them on all of it. I imagine she's got an appt. with Lin Wood very soon.
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    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    Okay, I went back and reworked some of the earlier observations I made while watching this video. It was hard to figure out where these people were going, so after hearing it all, I could clarify a few points they were trying to make...if that is possible.

    I don't mean to be such a smart alec....

    Okay, yes I do. Well, what do you expect? PYRATE!

    "University of Colorado Law Professor Paul Campos declared the letter a 'reckless exoneration.' He went on to state, 'Everyone knows that relative immunity from criminal conviction is something money can buy.
    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    The reporters are quite good, BTW. Asked why the people who had Natalie didn't bring Natalie's body in for the substantial reward and such, Dawg Wannabe said they were SCARED as she had OVERDOSED PARTYING with them and because of what happened to Joran. Back to trashing Beth as Hitler mom. Asked how these benefactors hid the body, Faux Dawg now says anybody can do anything. And there is ANOTHER story about a total stranger being pulled out of a "store"? Who was MURDERED BECAUSE OF KNOWLEDGE THAT NATALIE WAS ALIVE? Sorry, BULLCHIT.
    I don't believe Dan was saying that person was murdered because they knew Natalie was alive, but that they knew too much about who was involved in hiding her and the drugs, etc. that were involved in her death. I got the impression they were supposedly murdered sometime AFTER Natalie's death. Maybe they threatened to go to the police and tell everything they knew.

    I know you disagree with what Dan and Kelly said, KK, but at least let me comment on a few things.

    Dan Young and Kelly Castillo believe what they were saying. Whether what they are saying is TRUE or not, only documented evidence will tell. But they were not making up a story for the camera.

    Yes, Dan seems full of himself and would be the guy bragging about something at a family barbeque that no one could stand, but what he said (and the documented evidence he has) makes sense and fits the facts as we know them. It would be wise for his story (and documents) to be checked out by LE.

    Dan and Kelly have worked on the case since 2005 and have talked to a lot of people. They were initially asked to help by Beth Twitty herself, and have spent their own money. They are not psychics (they didn't claim to be), but hospice workers. They believe they have found the answer to what happened to Natalie. Why can't their story be analyzed and investigated?

    Sure, Dan and Kelly may want a book deal. Yes, he repeats himself constantly and is not the best spokesman to explain what he knows. (He kind of started in the middle, then jumped back and forth as questions were asked.) But Dan has the conviction of a man who has done his research. He never stumbled on the facts of his story, and he talked fast enough to show he was using true stream-of-consciousness-thought instead of couching his words in "I think" or "I believe" or "umm, ahh, I don't remember." He may have hestitated to reveal all, but what he did reveal was the truth as far as he knows it.

    Dan did show a copy of Beth's flight record to the reporters. You could see the reporters looking at it, and they didn't deny it's contents. Unfortunately, by the time the camera person thought to train the lens on the paper instead of Dan's face, he was already folding it back up, but he has a valid question. Why did Beth say she arrived at 11 p.m. or so (and looked down on the lights of Aruba) when she arrived about 7:30 p.m. and the sun was shining? Why did she lie about the four hour difference? What happened in those four hours that made her want to change her timeline?

    It is true there was another, and different, missing poster for Natalie in the beginning. People at other forums have commented that they saw a copy of the original poster Dan mentions. Once again, he has a valid question. Why did Beth put a copy of the second poster in her book and claim it was the original poster? The original poster said nothing about kidnapping. It only gave a phone number to call.

    Here's a synopsis of what Dan and Kelly said:

    1. Natalie did not get along with her mother. (A lot of teenage girls don't. That's not a stretch to believe.)

    2. Natalie had run away from home before. (Allegedly, some of Natalie's best friends told Dan and Kelly that information.)

    3. Natalie was being sexually abused by Jug Twitty. (That is an unsourced rumor alledgedly made by friends of Natalie/Beth, and may be true or false.)

    4. Natalie went to Aruba on her senior trip, and didn't plan to come back to the States. She partied (drank and used drugs) on the last night of the trip, and left a bar with Joran Van Der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers. Allegedly, she went to a beach with the brothers where sexual activity may or may not have taken place. Supposedly, Natalie passed out, and the three boys left her there. (This is plausible and fits what we know of the activities of the three boys that night. They may have raped her after she was passed out, or thought she'd died of a drug overdose, and were afraid to go to police or tell the truth of what happened.)

    5. Natalie was either found passed out on the beach by someone else, or she woke up and found them, then continued to drink and use drugs. After the search for her began, Natalie begged them to hide her to keep from going back to the States.

    6. After a week or two of being hidden and passed around, Natalie died of a drug overdose. Those who had been hiding her were scared her death would be blamed on them. The people who had promised to hide her hadn't realized there would be an international manhunt for Natalie. She was just a blonde party girl to them, but the publicity made everyone nervous, especially with all the sex and drugs involved. (This scenario makes sense. A bunch of island party people tell Natalie they'll help her stay there, but then things get out of hand, and they try to hide their involvement.)

    7. Beth was flown to Aruba on a private jet and while in flight, she talked to Natalie on her cell phone and told her to come home. Natalie refused. (Dan mentions the pilot of that plane was never questioned, which seemed like a hint that the pilot may have been the source of that information.)

    8. Beth arrived in Aruba at 7 p.m., not 11 p.m. Dan believes Beth was still trying to get Natalie to come home, and that was why the first posters were not about kidnapping, but just "call this number." (Dan apparently has documentation to back up his claim of Beth's earlier arrival. What was Beth doing in those four hours? Was she talking to Natalie then?)

    9. Dan and Kelly say someone close to Natalie told them she was pregnant and that Jug Twitty was the father. (Once again, this is an unsourced rumor and may be true or false.)

    10. There was a person (a female) whom Dan and Kelly found out about in their investigations on Aruba. Apparently, someone gave them the name of this person in connection with what happened to Natalie. Dan and Kelly say they "pulled" this person "out of a store" (I don't know if they worked there or were just shopping) and talked to them. Dan said they were suicidal because someone they loved had been murdered (a boyfriend perhaps?). The reason for this murder was that they knew too much about what really happened to Natalie, and there were people who didn't want that information known. (This scenario is also possible if drugs and/or or a drug deal was involved in Natalie's death.)

    Once again, I am not saying I believe everything that Dan and Kelly said, or that this is the final word on what happened to Natalie, but there is not ONE THING they did say that contradicts the known evidence, and much of it makes perfect sense.

    I have never had a dog in this fight. I have never had preconceived notions about anyone involved in this case. I don't have a vested interest in seeing Beth villified or made a saint, or seeing Joran and the Kalpoes exonerated or crucified.

    I'm just interested in the truth. And even if you don't like the messengers (Dan & Kelly), please don't dismiss their message until their story is checked out and the facts are known.
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    All I can think of at this point is that if the people reporting this info are lying through their teeth.......is yeah - they are mame-bots. I haven't seen anything about this other than a forum here and there. There are two main forums, the very anti-Beth one is found here:

    http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/index.php

    And the Beth Supporters can be found here:

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    "Although no one is anticipating a prompt resolution to this long and much-detoured case, perhaps - just perhaps - might we see one of those moments “when a chance arrow of history scores a perfect bullseye on a deserving target”? Steve Thomas 2009

    "Justice hasn't had a chance so far. Anyone who doesn't have this as their prime goal, we'll have a falling out with." Fleet White - Time Magazine

    "What happens is that evil comes in," Fleet says. "If you don't have truth, all you have are lies, then what comes in is evil. And evil just does its thing. In the Ramsey case, it just did its thing, and it's eaten up so many people."

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    Here's a copy of Beth's arrival manifest. It lists the time of her arrival as 7:46 p.m. (19:46). Dan said Beth listed her reason for visiting Aruba as "vacation." If you look at the bottom left of the pic, you can see a word that looks like the last of the word "vacation" but the first part is cut off.
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