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    Post The Ransom Note Revisited - Victory

    "She's gone," Pam says. "She got her victory at 3 o'clock in the morning on Saturday." (emphasis mine)

    http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_3983709



    Victory!

    http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/ransom3.html


    Victory = death (or the Paugh family idea of what follows death?) Keep talking Pam.
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    There's an old hymn, "Victory in Jesus."
    Victory in Jesus

    I HEARD AN OLD,
    OLD STORY
    HOW A SAVIOUR CAME
    FROM GLORY
    HOW HE GAVE HIS LIFE
    ON CALVARY
    TO SAVE SOMEONE LIKE ME

    I HEARD ABOUT
    HIS GROANING,
    OF HIS PRECIOUS BLOOD'S
    ATONING
    THEN I REPENTED
    OF MY SIN
    AND WON THE VICTORY

    OH, VICTORY IN JESUS,
    MY SAVIOUR FOREVER
    HE SOUGHT ME
    AND HE BOUGHT ME
    WITH HIS REDEEMING BLOOD

    HE LOVED ME
    ERE I KNEW HIM
    AND ALL MY LOVE
    IS DUE HIM
    HE PLUNGED ME TO VICTORY
    BENEATH THE
    CLEANSING FLOOD

    I HEARD ABOUT HIS
    HEALING,
    OF HIS CLEANSING POW'R
    REVEALING
    HOW HE MADE THE LAME
    TO WALK AGAIN
    AND CAUSED THE
    BLIND TO SEE

    AND THEN I CRIED
    "DEAR JESUS,
    COME AND HEAL
    MY BROKEN SPIRIT"
    AND SOMEHOW JESUS
    CAME AND BROUGHT
    TO ME THE VICTORY

    OH, VICTORY IN JESUS,
    MY SAVIOUR FOREVER
    Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry,
    the philosophy which does not laugh,
    and the greatness which does not bow before children.

    ---Kahlil Gibran---

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    WY--I live in Texas as you know, and I often will just jump in my car and go driving down roads I've never been on before, looking for places to go fishing. Way back in '97 when I was driving around, I remember being struck by how many churches in these smaller Texas towns had "Victory" in their names. There are literally dozens of them in and around Austin. I don't go to church, so this was something I never noticed before because I wasn't paying attention. But after reading the ransom note i became convinced that that last line had religious connotations.

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    Oh, Bob, Victory absolutely does have religious connotations. I went to church every Sunday, Sunday night, and Wednesday night for prayer meeting when I was a youngster. There is Victory over the devil, Victory over temptation, Victory over sin. The ultimate Victory is Jesus's death on the cross and his subsequent resurrection, which is seen as a Victory over death itself.

    I still believe that the SBTC is Saved By The Cross, and the "Victory" is the writer's claim to eternity by virtue of being forgiven by God and Victory over the sin of killing JB.
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    and the greatness which does not bow before children.

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    Am thinking the ransom note sign off could also mean Victory (death) - She's bound to Christ (she is in heaven with Jesus) based on the research I have been doing on the religion listed in the Ramsey bios I came across on-line.


    Since I don't want to offend anyone and make it appear that I might be criticizing a particular religion, I am simply going to provide the links I read through and let those who wish to review them do so and then draw their own conclusions.


    Here is what I found if anyone is interested:

    John Ramsey Bio:

    http://www.nndb.com/people/935/000044803/

    Patsy Ramsey bio

    http://www.nndb.com/people/934/000044802/

    Both have Angelican/Episcolpalian listed as religion.


    Angelican/Episcopalian Articles of Religion:
    http://anglicansonline.org/basics/th..._articles.html


    Angelican/Episcopalian Beliefs and Practices:
    http://christianity.about.com/od/den...icanepisco.htm


    Comparison Chart of Christian Denominations' Beliefs and Doctrine
    http://www.religionfacts.com/christi...ns_beliefs.htm



    Concupiscence was a new word for me and I found a lengthy and quite interesting explanation under the following link:

    http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04208a.htm
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    How interesting. Yet another confirmation of her speaking patterns...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Watching You
    Oh, Bob, Victory absolutely does have religious connotations. I went to church every Sunday, Sunday night, and Wednesday night for prayer meeting when I was a youngster. There is Victory over the devil, Victory over temptation, Victory over sin. The ultimate Victory is Jesus's death on the cross and his subsequent resurrection, which is seen as a Victory over death itself.

    I still believe that the SBTC is Saved By The Cross, and the "Victory" is the writer's claim to eternity by virtue of being forgiven by God and Victory over the sin of killing JB.
    Why then didn't the investigators deal with this side of things WY, when the word "Victory" does have this strong religious connection? There are so many other reasons why Patsy could have been charged. I'm just puzzled. It doesn't matter what anyone comes up with which points a finger right at Patsy, no arrest was ever made (?).
    elle: The RST can't handle the truth!
    Just my opinion.

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    Well, we don't really know that they didn't consider this, Elle. We don't know a lot of things about this case. My guess is that this didn't get past investigators at all. Proving its meaning is a horse of another color, though, and cops would have known that.
    Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry,
    the philosophy which does not laugh,
    and the greatness which does not bow before children.

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    Elle--investigators did explore that angle.



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