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  1. #73

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    Quote Originally Posted by wombat
    They said pad in wastebasket by stairs, pen in kitchen.
    Thanks, Elle, that's what I thought. But this is what I was asking about tonight's show. If wombat isn't passed out from her morphine drip, maybe she can explain. I missed the first few minutes of the show, so maybe I missed it.

    Because this would be news.

    "University of Colorado Law Professor Paul Campos declared the letter a 'reckless exoneration.' He went on to state, 'Everyone knows that relative immunity from criminal conviction is something money can buy.
    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    Quote Originally Posted by koldkase
    I have been hearing "caucasion" related to this DNA for so long by the RST, I quit asking that question. The science has been advancing a lot, but then again, it could be like so much else in this case: they want it to be true, so it's true.
    KK, I am pretty sure you can't tell a race by DNA.

    BobC...wasn't it you that busted the RST when they tried this a few years ago?
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    I went back over that part on TiVo again - pad in wastebasket next to the stairs, pen in the kitchen.

    Also, I don't know anything about DNA, but I have heard of people lately getting their DNA tested to fiind out what races their ancestors were.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wombat
    I went back over that part on TiVo again - pad in wastebasket next to the stairs, pen in the kitchen.
    So confused. Patsy said it was in the wastebasket? Did John pull it out of the wastebasket and hand it to the police officer? HUH???

    So if this is true then the "intruder" put the pen back in the pen cup, cap on pen, put tossed the pad in the wastebasket next to the stairs. Guess the "intruder" thought she/he hid it well enough and no one would notice.

    My head is spinning. I feel like I am in a parallel universe or something. Maybe it's just the chili I ate tonight.
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    Just to twist you further, if you slow down TiVo there's a photo of the open bible, and later what appear to be post-autopsy photos of JonBenet's face. So sad.

    Late here, thorazine kicking in, time to sign off.

  6. #78

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    Quote Originally Posted by wombat
    Right, KoldKase, they danced right over the outcome of the GJ deliberations, and segued to Hot Tub Man saying that there wasn't enough evidence. THe Grand Juror stated that their job was to find probable cause, and the DA is supposed to produce the evidence.

    I've always suspected Hunter nullified the grand jury vote, and this did nothing to dissuade me.
    I agree, wombat. Dr. Lee, in his last book on famous cases, pretty much led me to conclude that HE talked Hunter out of that indictment, rather than the Grand Jury didn't return one. After hearing Schiller schilling all week the Grand Jurors just couldn't believe the parents did this...oh, that's scientific of them...I thought we'd find out tonight. When they said last night on the MSNBC segment with Lisa Bloom that we'd see ALL the Grand Jurors saw--I swear, do you HAVE to be a complete liar to be in TV these days?--I thought for sure we'd get the info, especially since one was ON CAMERA, and not in disguise, as I thought she'd be, what with Hunter threatening to go after any one of them that talked.

    HA. Does anybody in Boulder tell the truth? Even close? Do they have something in the water there? ANTI-TRUTH SERUM?

    Oh, I found where the show said the pad was found in the WASTE BASKET beside the stairs, the pen in the kitchen. Either that's WRONG, or John got the pad OUT OF THE GARBAGE...bringing up all kinds of questions...or that old intruder not only wandered around getting the pad from the table Smit told Couric it came from, but into the kitchen to get the pen...and RETURNING THEM TO THOSE PLACES LATER.

    Well, one thing is for sure, it's not MY husband. He never puts anything back.

    "University of Colorado Law Professor Paul Campos declared the letter a 'reckless exoneration.' He went on to state, 'Everyone knows that relative immunity from criminal conviction is something money can buy.
    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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  7. #79

    Angry Rehearsed to the hilt...G U I L T Y!!!!

    I have enjoyed reading all the great comments here.

    My thoughts:

    The snippets from the interviews with John and Patsy make me more suspicious than ever, as to their guilt.

    I confess that I have never given much thought to the significance of the pineapple before watching this program tonight. Now, it looms large in the general scheme of things. It is something that definitely points away from an intruder, IMHO. And what about the tea? Patsy was adamant in denying any knowledge of the pineapple or the tea.
    Of course, she knew that if she fessed up to having fed JB, before putting her to bed, it would contradict her previous statements.

    The interviews gave me the creeps. There didnít seem to be any genuine indignation from either one of them; just hostility from Patsy and a weird, inappropriate, phony friendliness from John. I found Patsy rather mealy mouthed in her cryptic replies. Her guilt seemed most obvious. They both seemed rehearsed to the hilt.

    I can see where the uninformed public would most likely come away from this program thinking that thereís a strong possibility of an intruder. You would think that Court TV would have taken great care to research this case before airing it on national TV.

    I will admit that the first 15 minutes of the program was excellent; fair and balanced, but it went downhill from there.

    Alex Hunter came off as the biggest obstructer of justice of them all. (IMHO) I came away thinking that perhaps the BPD didn't push hard enough for arrests.


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    Yeah, my head's swimming, too. Think I'll go over to the swamp and see how they're spinning all this stuff. At the very least, I may be able to get my head to explode and then I'll finally be done with this nonsense.

    Here, fellow guttahites, in case I don't make it back....

    "University of Colorado Law Professor Paul Campos declared the letter a 'reckless exoneration.' He went on to state, 'Everyone knows that relative immunity from criminal conviction is something money can buy.
    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenleaf
    The snippets from the interviews with John and Patsy make me more suspicious than ever, as to their guilt.

    I confess that I have never given much thought to the significance of the pineapple before watching this program tonight. Now, it looms large in the general scheme of things. It is something that definitely points away from an intruder, IMHO. And what about the tea? Patsy was adamant in denying any knowledge of the pineapple or the tea.

    Of course, she knew that if she fessed up to having fed JB, before putting her to bed, it would contradict her previous statements.


    You hit on some things I was pondering, as well, Greenleaf.

    Like the pineapple that the Ramseys denied. Some facts about that pineapple were skewed in this show, as well. The narrator said the pineapple bowl wasn't noticed in the picture until MONTHS LATER. But Thomas said they tested it against the pineapple in the fridge. How did they do that if it was months later? Did they keep the fridge contents all that time. Strange.

    Then you think about this: there were kids going in and out all afternoon, according the the Ramseys. But none of them had their fingerprints on the bowl and glass. So maybe Burke took it out and got himself some tea. I know it's not usual to make tea in a glass like that, as you make it in a pitcher after boiling the water with the tea in it. If it was usual, seems like someone who knows the family well would know that, especially if that's how Patsy or Burke fixed it in front of them or for them. Did LE ask ANYONE ELSE that knew the Ramseys well if that was the case? Or could someone have made it while waiting around for the kidnapper to call? A victim advocate? Mrs. Fernie or Mrs. White? Maybe Burke had touched the glass, but his DNA wouldn't have been on the lip unless he drank from it, more than likely. 2 million dollars and LE doesn't even know the answer to THIS?

    Anyone know where Judith Phillips is these days?

    "University of Colorado Law Professor Paul Campos declared the letter a 'reckless exoneration.' He went on to state, 'Everyone knows that relative immunity from criminal conviction is something money can buy.
    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenleaf
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    The interviews gave me the creeps. There didnít seem to be any genuine indignation from either one of them; just hostility from Patsy and a weird, inappropriate, phony friendliness from John. I found Patsy rather mealy mouthed in her cryptic replies. Her guilt seemed most obvious. They both seemed rehearsed to the hilt.

    [snip]

    I will admit that the first 15 minutes of the program was excellent; fair and balanced, but it went downhill from there.

    Alex Hunter came off as the biggest obstructer of justice of them all. (IMHO) I came away thinking that perhaps the BPD didn't push hard enough for arrests.

    Here's what creeped me out. Did you see John describing the blanket wrapped around JonBenet? He used his hands, and crossed them in front of him...like he was wrapping the blanket himself.

    I'm sorry, but flags were going up for me. How much time did he take looking at her "wrappings"? I would imagine he didn't stand there taking notes. He took the duct tape off. He fiddled with the wrist ligature, trying to remove it. He picked her up and took her upstairs. This bothers me. He seems to have known a lot about how she was wrapped. Probalby nothing, but...got me wondering.

    Then there was the stuff about the head blow coming from a man. There was only one man in the house that night we know for sure.

    Yeah, I thought the first part went well...right up until they brought Smit in. Why doesn't someone tell that bag of bones to take his brilliant self to the friends and family of the Ramseys and ask them if they fixed tea in a glass with a bag. And while he's at it, tell him to get his patron saint Keenan to subpoena the phone records out of the BPD evidence room so they can hurry up and burn them if they prove anything incriminating against the Ramseys.

    Look, now that we know Hunter obstructed LE from getting any of the Ramseys phone records, which is DAY TWO elementary stuff in a murder case like this, I think it's safe to bet the farm Hunter was sandbagging this case from the first phone call he got from his hot tubby buddies. The good old boys club circled the wagons and they all made a killing...so to speak.

    JMO

    "University of Colorado Law Professor Paul Campos declared the letter a 'reckless exoneration.' He went on to state, 'Everyone knows that relative immunity from criminal conviction is something money can buy.
    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    The cord fiber on the bed was confirmed also. Could it be transfer from something she had on her bed and not from the bindings?

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    Quote Originally Posted by koldkase
    I agree, wombat. Dr. Lee, in his last book on famous cases, pretty much led me to conclude that HE talked Hunter out of that indictment, rather than the Grand Jury didn't return one. After hearing Schiller schilling all week the Grand Jurors just couldn't believe the parents did this...oh, that's scientific of them...I thought we'd find out tonight. When they said last night on the MSNBC segment with Lisa Bloom that we'd see ALL the Grand Jurors saw--I swear, do you HAVE to be a complete liar to be in TV these days?--I thought for sure we'd get the info, especially since one was ON CAMERA, and not in disguise, as I thought she'd be, what with Hunter threatening to go after any one of them that talked.

    HA. Does anybody in Boulder tell the truth? Even close? Do they have something in the water there? ANTI-TRUTH SERUM?

    Oh, I found where the show said the pad was found in the WASTE BASKET beside the stairs, the pen in the kitchen. Either that's WRONG, or John got the pad OUT OF THE GARBAGE...bringing up all kinds of questions...or that old intruder not only wandered around getting the pad from the table Smit told Couric it came from, but into the kitchen to get the pen...and RETURNING THEM TO THOSE PLACES LATER.

    Well, one thing is for sure, it's not MY husband. He never puts anything back.
    In the search warrant for MI (for additional handwriting samples-3/97 I think) it states JR handed "pads" over to Det Patterson, that one of those pads included the practice note and the tear marks at the top aligned. Thank you ACandyRose



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