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    Default Sunday, August 4 2013, 8 pm (Eastern) - Police Chief James Kolar!

    Hey My FFJ Fine Friends,

    We are doing it again. Another fact filled show with Telluride Chief of Police James Kolar.

    Sunday night August 4th 8 PM Eastern


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    Tricia, I hope you will address the very interesting and "new" ideas that Wendy Murphy brought up on your radio show last weekend. Here are some of the ideas that she mentioned: that the drug diazapene was used by the adult Ramseys and were questioned by LE for that usage. That the same drug was present in the uneaten pineapple left in the bowl on the counter in the kitchen. Tests were run on it but the results were not released. That because of the findings in JonBenet's eyes it was determined that she was strangled and then shaken harshly. That Burke had nothing to do with the murder. Child porn was involved and that is why the drug diazapene was used as it is common in child porn cases.

    All of this was a bit amazing and too much out in left field for me to take in. Where Wendy got all of this is another matter. But just to keep up with everything please ask Chief Kolar what if anything is true in her amazing story. Thank you.
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    I'll have to admit those new ideas Wendy Murphy came out with just threw me for a loop.

    It will be very interesting to see what he has to say.
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    I am unaware of anyone who's profited from exploiting the Ramsey murder over a longer period of time, with a greater disregard for the principles of accuracy and fairness, than the production team of Mills and Tracey.They truly do inhabit a different moral universe from real journalists. It's the difference between journalism and propaganda.
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    Wendy has gone down this road before but perhaps not quite as forcefully and authoritatively.
    Here are some old threads relating to the same topic:
    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=42754
    http://www.forumsforjustice.org/foru...443#post117443

    I posted this rebuttal over at Websleuths and I thought I’d repost it here.

    I don’t enjoy doing this because I have a great deal of respect for Wendy Murphy.
    Unfortunately, she made a number of statements that cannot be supported from the evidence.

    WM said, in essence, that the indictment of John and Patsy by the grand jury precludes Burke from having any involvement in JonBenet’s death.
    The focus of the grand jury was not on Burke. Why would they focus on someone who according to Colorado law was unable to form criminal intent because he was under the age of 10?
    The grand jury indictment of the parents simply means that there was evidence to show their culpability and participation, but that in no way implies that Burke therefore had no involvement.

    WM said that the “first three search warrants were for child porn.”
    That is not true; the fifth search warrant was for child porn, and a single search warrant for child porn in a case were a child was sexually assaulted along with evidence of chronic abuse is hardly extraordinary.

    WM claimed that JonBenet died of a benzodiazepine overdose.
    Benzos can be detected by toxicology screening for up to six weeks.
    It’s also true that Benzos can be missed in preliminary drug screens and as a result I can’t say that Wendy is wrong, but her statement is nothing more than speculation.
    From JonBenet’s autopsy report we see the following:
    TOXICOLOGIC STUDIES
    blood ethanol - none detected
    blood drug screen - no drugs detected


    WM further implies that the pineapple was tested and the results not released.
    The pineapple was tested and the results discussed in Steve Thomas’ book but the intent of the testing was not to screen for drugs. That would be a waste of time and money because the tox screen from the autopsy revealed that drugs were never an issue.
    The pineapple was tested to determine consistency with what was found in the digestive tract of JonBenet.
    The following is from Steve Thomas
    The stomach was empty, but the coroner found what appeared to be chunks of pineapple in the upper digestive tract. This also would be tested in an effort to determine to what extent the food had been digested, a key indicator in helping establish the time of death. Police would need to identify what she had eaten the day before, when, and where.

    JonBenet: Inside the Ramsey Murder Investigation, Steve Thomas, page 46

    Our experts studied the pineapple in the stomach and reported that it was fresh-cut pineapple, consistent down to the rind with what had been found in the bowl. It was solid proof that it wasn’t canned pineapple, and what were the chances that an intruder would have brought in a fresh pineapple to cut up for his victim?
    JonBenet: Inside the Ramsey Murder Investigation, Steve Thomas, page 215

    WM said that “the parents were asked at length about benzodiazepines in the home…why they were there, and why they had so many…”
    I would hardly say that there was an inordinate focus on drug-related questioning, certainly nothing resembling what WM was implying. Furthermore, the focus of the questions seemed to center on possible effects on judgment and ability to remember details as the interviews were months and years after the fact.
    Some examples below:

    TT: Okay. The Ativan and the Paxel, um . . .
    PR: The Paxel is an anti-depressant.
    TT: Um hum. Either one of them, do you think either one of them’s kind of, uh, changing your thought process or clouding your mind, memory, anything like that?
    PR: No.
    TT: Okay. It’s not, not effecting any judgment or anything like that?
    PR: No, huh uh
    .
    Patsy – 1997 Interview

    10 THOMAS HANEY: Do you have any side
    11 effects if you take any or all of these things,
    12 if you take any one by itself do you get side
    13 effects? If you take a combination of the
    14 Prozac and Benadryl and Ativan?
    15 PATSY RAMSEY: No, I think that's
    16 kind of (INAUDIBLE).
    17 THOMAS HANEY: Okay. Do you think
    18 that it affects your ability to understand
    19 questions?
    20 PATSY RAMSEY: No.
    21 THOMAS HANEY: To answer?
    22 PATSY RAMSEY: No.
    23 THOMAS HANEY: It hasn't affected
    24 you (INAUDIBLE)?
    25 PATSY RAMSEY: No.
    0211
    1 THOMAS HANEY: Just a couple of
    2 more quick ones here. Prior to the bout with
    3 cancer, have you had any psychiatric or
    4 psychological treatment complications?
    5 PATSY RAMSEY: No.

    Patsy Ramsey - 1998 interview

    21 MIKE KANE: Any other medications along
    22 that line that she's taking?
    23 JOHN RAMSEY: No, I don't think --
    24 MIKE KANE: Not now?
    25 JOHN RAMSEY: Well, earlier on, we also
    0424
    1 took, it was like, I could never have been a
    2 doctor.
    3 MIKE KANE: Xanax?
    4 JOHN RAMSEY: No. Klonopin.
    5 MIKE KANE: Klonopin?
    6 JOHN RAMSEY: Klonopin. And that was kind
    7 of on an as needed basis for a while. It was kind
    8 of a quick, picker upper, I guess.
    9 MIKE KANE: Prior to this, had she ever
    10 been on any medication, I mean, would you know
    11 that?
    12 JOHN RAMSEY: Yeah, yeah. She was very
    13 healthy?
    14 MIKE KANE: Has she lost consciousness or
    15 anything?
    16 JOHN RAMSEY: No.
    John Ramsey - 1998 interview


    WM said that JonBenet died “from respiratory failure which you know is true because she had shaken impact injuries in her eyes…which is why she had those perimacular folds in the retina…”

    The assertion that there were, “perimacular retinal folds,” is nowhere to be found in the evidence. Wendy Murphy is NOT a case “insider,” and has no access to evidence in the JonBenet case over and above what any member of the general public has.
    JonBenet did not have perimacular retinal folds according to the autopsy and it is not mentioned by either Steve Thomas or James Kolar. I can only be left to conclude that she is perhaps confusing the evidence in the JonBenet case with one of the many other cases involving child abuse that she is familiar with.
    The only phenomenon relating to the eyes described in the autopsy report is as follows and reveals that only petechial hemorrhaging was found which in this case is found because JonBenet was asphyxiated.
    In the lateral aspect of the left lower eyelid on the inner conjunctival surface is a 1 mm in maximum dimension petechial hemorrhage. Very fine, less than 1 mm petechial hemorrhages are present on the skin of the upper eyelids bilaterally as well as on the lateral left cheek. On everting the left upper eyelid there are much smaller, less than 1 mm petechial hemorrhages located on the conjunctival surface. Possible petechial hemorrhages located on the conjunctival surface. Possible petechial hemorrhages are also seen on the conjunctival surfaces of the right upper and lower eyelids, but livor mortis on this side of the face makes definite identification difficult.

    The only place in the entire autopsy report that describes anything else that might be construed as injury relating to violent shaking would be the paired (minimal) contusions on the tips of the right and left temporal lobes of the brain. It’s possible that this might have been caused by shaking, however, it would be more likely attributed to incidental injury relating to the skull fracture which, of course, would have caused movement of the brain within the skull.
    On the right cerebral hemisphere underlying the previously mentioned linear skull fracture is an extensive linear area of purple contusion extending from the right frontal area, posteriorly along the lateral aspect of the parietal region and into the occipital area. This area of contusion measures 8 inches in length with a width of up to 1.75 inches. At the tip of the right temporal lobe is a one-quarter by one-quarter inch similar appearing purple contusion. Only very minimal contusion is present at the tip of the left temporal lobe. This area of contusion measures only one-half inch in maximum dimension.

    Lastly, her comments about James Kolar obviously come from a complete ignorance of who he is and his motivation for writing the book. She should have said that she is unaware of his book and his credentials, and is therefore unable to comment, rather than launch into a baseless personal attack.
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    This is why we love Cynic. He is so flipping smart.

    I hope you can make the show Sunday Cynic. It won't be the same without you.
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    I am unaware of anyone who's profited from exploiting the Ramsey murder over a longer period of time, with a greater disregard for the principles of accuracy and fairness, than the production team of Mills and Tracey.They truly do inhabit a different moral universe from real journalists. It's the difference between journalism and propaganda.
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    Bringing up the rear--hubs now has me so busy with his retirement "fun" I barely have time to keep up with anything else anymore:

    I do have some questions...ha:

    1. Besides the chronic vaginal inflammation found at autopsy, was there other evidence uncovered that JB was molested prior to that night, other than what is now in the public domain, i.e. the autopsy report, etc.?

    2. Was a DNA test done on the blood on the pillowcase in JB's bedroom which proved it was her blood? How does Kolar think it got there, if so? (Haney implied it was JB's in his questions about it to Patsy in 1998, specifically asking if JB had nosebleeds when they discussed the blood on that pillowcase.)

    3. Were the Ramsey's phone records ever subpoenaed at any point in the decade of actual investigation? If not, why does Kolar think that never happened?

    4. [Follow up to question 3] Does Kolar know about the Rapp prosecution and does he know if those case records, which included copies of the Ramsey's phone records, are still in the evidence room of the BPD?

    5. Did LE ever find JB's pink pajama bottoms in the house and collect or process them? She wore on Christmas morning, part of the set with the matching top seen in her bed in the crime scene photos.

    6. Can Kolar clarify the discrepancy of the two accounts of the fibers found on JB, particularly her genital area? (I'm sure you remember Smit said dark fibers came from the duvet in the suitcase, according to the CBI; Levin told JR in Atlanta they came from his shirt, according to the FBI.)

    "University of Colorado Law Professor Paul Campos declared the letter a 'reckless exoneration.' He went on to state, 'Everyone knows that relative immunity from criminal conviction is something money can buy.
    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    I amaze myself sometimes when I "recall" some obscure info that comes floating to the surface now and then. And no I have no documentation on this little fragment at all except I think it was in NE or The Star way back when. Here it is. I read that when the Ramsey house was being packed up by the movers one large piece of furniture like a tall bookshelf or cabinet had a video cassette on the top of it behind some decorative woodwork as if hidden. That cassette was supposed to contain some porn. Well there it is.

    For years that little item has been floating around in my brain and just now decided to pop into view. Does it hold any truth at all or is it just a figment of the past? Anyone remember anything like that? And yes I realize that no documentation is a no no and I apologize for doing this.
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    I remember that Zoom.
    I despise the Ramseys and this is just my opinion

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    OMG Thor, then I wasn't dreaming this up. That makes me feel better. LOL

    Thank you for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zoomama View Post
    OMG Thor, then I wasn't dreaming this up. That makes me feel better. LOL

    Thank you for that.
    I remember that being discussed, as well, Zoomama and Thor. It wasn't the Spanish stun gun tape, was it? Lots of speculation, as I remember, but I can't say anyone nailed it down for us?

    Or maybe we have all forgotten through the years. It could have been mentioned in one of the earlier books, like PMPT?

    On Tricia's show tonight:

    Well, dear FFJers, faithful through all (take that, Patsy): seems it's official as per Kolar's response on Tricia's podcast.

    There is no law in Colorado which hasn't had the statute of limitations expire, related to any crimes committed in this case, other than murder.

    Since Burke was under age and can never be charged if he was involved and Patsy is dead, the only possible arrest involving the only people ever connected through the evidence to the death of JonBenet, the Ramseys, would have to be JR.

    Since Patsy will always and forever be reasonable doubt for any other person, including any "intruder suspect," but especially for JR...

    This case is in the freezer for good.

    "University of Colorado Law Professor Paul Campos declared the letter a 'reckless exoneration.' He went on to state, 'Everyone knows that relative immunity from criminal conviction is something money can buy.
    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    Quote Originally Posted by koldkase View Post
    I remember that being discussed, as well, Zoomama and Thor. It wasn't the Spanish stun gun tape, was it? Lots of speculation, as I remember, but I can't say anyone nailed it down for us?

    Or maybe we have all forgotten through the years. It could have been mentioned in one of the earlier books, like PMPT?

    On Tricia's show tonight:

    Well, dear FFJers, faithful through all (take that, Patsy): seems it's official as per Kolar's response on Tricia's podcast.

    There is no law in Colorado which hasn't had the statute of limitations expire, related to any crimes committed in this case, other than murder.

    Since Burke was under age and can never be charged if he was involved and Patsy is dead, the only possible arrest involving the only people ever connected through the evidence to the death of JonBenet, the Ramseys, would have to be JR.

    Since Patsy will always and forever be reasonable doubt for any other person, including any "intruder suspect," but especially for JR...

    This case is in the freezer for good.

    Never say never, koldkase. On ID Discovery, just tonight, they covered the horrific/torture murder of my wife's first cousin who was in our wedding. She was killed in 1975 by two druggies who had done it all but murder someone. They stumbled across Sherry one night and the rest is history.

    At any rate, an attention seeker confessed to the crime and the sheriff was all too willing to close the case even though his story had many holes. Finally, in 2001, the lady, who was involved in the murder, couldn't take it any more and confessed.....It made me half sick watching it this evening.

    It is on Discover ID and will be repeated on Saturday at 6 to 7 p.m CST. Straight Through the Heartland: Wicked Attractions.

    Long story short....I believe there are still several people who know what happened to JBR and, as long as they are alive, there is a hope (however small it might be) that someone's conscience will need peace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Learnin View Post
    Never say never, koldkase. On ID Discovery, just tonight, they covered the horrific/torture murder of my wife's first cousin who was in our wedding. She was killed in 1975 by two druggies who had done it all but murder someone. They stumbled across Sherry one night and the rest is history.

    At any rate, an attention seeker confessed to the crime and the sheriff was all too willing to close the case even though his story had many holes. Finally, in 2001, the lady, who was involved in the murder, couldn't take it any more and confessed.....It made me half sick watching it this evening.

    It is on Discover ID and will be repeated on Saturday at 6 to 7 p.m CST. Straight Through the Heartland: Wicked Attractions.

    Long story short....I believe there are still several people who know what happened to JBR and, as long as they are alive, there is a hope (however small it might be) that someone's conscience will need peace.
    Oh Learnin, so sorry to read about your wife's cousin. What a tragedy way back then. I hope you are feeling much better today. Life sure is a trial. isn't it?
    I can understand your feelings. I hope you are recovering
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