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    Hey, Jayelles, I posted this at topix and I want to make sure you see it, because I want you to know how those of us who truly want to see the truth brought to light, even if it's too late to bring it to court, appreciate ALL you have done:

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    Jayelles is one of the most objective thinkers and brilliant posters we have on the forums. I have yet to see ANYONE come close to matching her "Bloomies" modeling experiment for sheer ingenuity, for effort in duplicating the evidence, and for determination and diligence in completing the experiment, which took her years and distant travel for obvious reasons--waiting for her "model" to grow to size and collecting the Bloomies for comparison. This relatively simple "reenactment" of sorts wasn't even ATTEMPTED by the FBI and BPD, nor any OTHER LE agency FULL of "experts" that I know of, who should have done it YEARS ago.

    Anyone who is REMOTELY interested in THE TRUTH in this case would see how critical this evidence is and how such an ingenious experiment (for a layperson) would at least bring its IMPORTANCE into serious discussion of the facts we HAVE about the Bloomies.

    Anyone, especially in LE, who seriously WANTED to see this case solved and a CHILD MURDERER ARRESTED would be DEAD SET on getting such an experiment officially done by the EXPERTS pronto.

    Yet all the RST who claim to have such impeccable "inside sources" and should be interested in promoting such incisive investigative technique within LE have never failed to dismiss Jayelles' experiment and attack her for even attempting it. Why wouldn't they pass along the tip that IT MIGHT BE WORTH LE'S TIME to do it--ANYONE HERE know LIN WOOD? How about LOU SMIT? OLLIE?

    Of course, we know why this will NEVER be done. It's not about finding justice for JonBenet, it's about CLEARING the Ramseys to the DA "INVESTIGATORS". Those over-sized Bloomies put the lie to Patsy's changing story about them, UNAVOIDABLE when one sees the model of them on a child JonBenet's size.

    For those of us who are here for JUSTICE, for THE TRUTH, we are grateful to Jayelles for caring enough to bother to attempt to dispel lies and get to THE TRUTH, all for a little girl she never met from a country she owes no allegiance. She draws a lot of fire because she has put an arrow through the heart of the Ramsey lies in this. It's only natural that those who object to the truth being known would attack her.

    We get it.

    "University of Colorado Law Professor Paul Campos declared the letter a 'reckless exoneration.' He went on to state, 'Everyone knows that relative immunity from criminal conviction is something money can buy.
    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    Jayelles, a poster is asking if you might have picked up an ADULT package of the Bloomies in size 12-14. The question is obviously inspired because of the huge size difference in the two sets, of course. I stated I don't believe you'd have made such a mistake, but then while looking for that info on these threads, found where you said your hubby bought the larger pair of Bloomies, so that brings up the question even more. I found your scan of the receipt and tag from the two different packages, and the numbers are so similar, I'd think that indicates they are both from the same dept./line, but if you have more to add, thanks.

    One more question: do you know if these "Day of the Week" Bloomies are/were made for women, as well?

    You may have answered this already on these two threads, but I'm a bit pushed for time, so could you point me to the answer or documentation? Thanks in advance.

    "University of Colorado Law Professor Paul Campos declared the letter a 'reckless exoneration.' He went on to state, 'Everyone knows that relative immunity from criminal conviction is something money can buy.
    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    Here is a wikipedia section on the large Bloomies, with different quotes and sources, most of which is arguable as to the reliability and word-mincing going on, I know...sigh....

    http://jonbenetramsey.pbwiki.com/Sec...ersizedPanties

    "University of Colorado Law Professor Paul Campos declared the letter a 'reckless exoneration.' He went on to state, 'Everyone knows that relative immunity from criminal conviction is something money can buy.
    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    Quote Originally Posted by koldkase View Post
    Jayelles, a poster is asking if you might have picked up an ADULT package of the Bloomies in size 12-14. The question is obviously inspired because of the huge size difference in the two sets, of course. I stated I don't believe you'd have made such a mistake, but then while looking for that info on these threads, found where you said your hubby bought the larger pair of Bloomies, so that brings up the question even more. I found your scan of the receipt and tag from the two different packages, and the numbers are so similar, I'd think that indicates they are both from the same dept./line, but if you have more to add, thanks.

    One more question: do you know if these "Day of the Week" Bloomies are/were made for women, as well?

    You may have answered this already on these two threads, but I'm a bit pushed for time, so could you point me to the answer or documentation? Thanks in advance.
    Hi KK. The Bloomies only come in small, medium and large and are/were sold in the children's department.

    I'm not sure where you got the idea that my husband bought them (he'd run a mile if I asked him to!). I personally bought the size 4-6 and 12-14 Bloomies and my older daughter purchased the 8-10 this summer. These are still in the unopened package waiting to be photographed and I have no great excuse for not having got around to this yet other than pressures of work which are keeping me largely occupied!

    The best way I can describe the Bloomies is that they are a souvenir of Bloomingdales. Like Harrods, Bloomingdales have many such items - bags, t-shirts, teddy bears .... and knickers.

    I have no idea if they stock them in adult sizes because I didn't look for them in Ladieswear :-)

    I'm kind of past caring about the naysayers. I've encountered so many desperate counter-arguments from desperate people who simply cannot believe that Patsy would have allowed Jonbenet to wear out-sized knickers which would have been hanging down to her knees - so they come up with far-fetched explanations to try and discredit my photos. I suggest they make the trip to NYC and buy some for themselves. I have often wondered why none of the RST have done this but came to the conclusion that most likely they have and that they just couldn't bear to post that I am correct.

    I might get a chance to visit Bloomingdales next week and if I do, I'll check out Ladieswear for Bloomies (I have no plans to do this so no promises, it will depend on time). I cannot think why any self-respecting adult woman would want to wear daysoftheweek big pants but you never know (i.e. I can't really see a market for them). I actually think it's a bit optimistic of Bloomingdales to suppose that a girl of 12-14 would want to wear them, but there we are. IMO, they aren't in the least bit "cool" and would only really appeal to child of Tootsie's age.
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    Quote Originally Posted by koldkase View Post
    For comparison to the Bloomies Jayelles bought, I'm going to try to upload RTE's/janphi's copies of Bloomingdale's 2000 catalog photos of the Bloomies underwear, if I can figure out how. I can't find RTE's old photos online or here anymore, but I may just be overlooking them. RTE died this year, so her pics are no longer online at the url she used. I have copies, though. I may just have to email them to...gulp...cranky Moab....

    Okay, can't do it....

    Moaaaaaaaaaaaab...? Yoooohoooooo....
    The Bloomies were on a stand near the top of the escalator and there were more displayed at the till. These are both places where stores tend to display impulse-buy items (I'm sure there will be a proper name for this but I don't know what it is).

    I've tried hard to explain that IMO these aren't "serious" underwear. People have asked me if they come in different styles like tanga, hipster etc and the answer is no. They come in one style and three sizes as far as I could determine (I admit I didn't look in Ladieswear). The objective IMO is to sell them as a souvenir gift from Bloomingdales. In the same way as souvenir T-shirts come in S,M,L with vast differences between the sizes. It's costly to have items made in lots of different sizes so souvenir goods tend to be restricted in range.

    They are also large made. The RST simply refuse to believe me that the size 4-6 is this large and I've had idiotic comments from people who seem to believe that children are the same size the world over and that manufacturers always make clothes to fit this standard size. I have a post saved from a woman who simply said she thought I was lying that the 4-6 Bloomies would fit my almost 8 year old daughter. She offered no arguments to support her accusation. When I was in the States a few months ago, I bought size 8 knickers from Osh Kosh and they are no bigger than the 4-6 Bloomies. Nor are the size 9-10 knickers I purchased from a local High Street store. I will get around to photographing these and posting the comparisons and apologise for not doing so so far. The knickers are in a pile in my bedroom, the camera is charged and waiting. All it is waiting for is me to have an evening where I don't have a dozen other things to do which are higher priority.

    RST will argue that Scottish children must be a different size than US children and one person even suggested that my Tootsie might be a different shape because we are Scottish and might walk more (presumably up mountains to the caves which we presumably live in...). It's ridiculous. We visit with an American family when we go to Florida and one of their children is one year older than Tootsie but she is the same size as Tootsie. Tootsie isn't big or tall for her age. She is absolutely average sized - as JBR appears to have been.

    The facts speak for themselves.

    Incidentally, I don't see Tootsie wanting to wear the bigger Bloomies. I think she will consider them babyish by the time she is large enough for them to fit her...
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    Incidentally, the 8-10 Bloomies are slightly different in colour and pattern. The 4-6 Bloomies I purchased in 2003 are identical to the 12-14 Bloomies I purchased more recently but these look more trendy. I haven't opened them yet because I want to photograph them sealed shut for the sake of validity so we shall see.
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    Thank you so much, Moab!

    I have spent hours trying to find any current Day of the Week Bloomies online: no can do. I did find some "history" of the Bloomies underwear, which originated in the early 1970s by Bloomingdales to market to "young" women as a trend, with "Bloomies" printed on the underwear. It bloomed. But the "day of the week" packages I can't find any info on anymore. Even one store that came up with them went to "sold out" or something like that. Maybe they don't make them anymore? Or maybe you have to buy them in the store, now?

    Because I've googled looking for anywhere I might find them online: no can do. Women talking about when they used to wear them, etc., but nothing current.

    I've also searched the Bloomingdales.com website. Nada.

    Maybe I'm just google impaired. Like I'm computer impaired. But I can't spend anymore time on this tonight.

    Thanks for everyone's help.

    "University of Colorado Law Professor Paul Campos declared the letter a 'reckless exoneration.' He went on to state, 'Everyone knows that relative immunity from criminal conviction is something money can buy.
    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    Okay, still roaming around looking for info, and something brought this back to my attention and I haven't seen it on these threads here, so I think it's worth putting up as this is Patsy's 1998 DA interview with Haney, and she says plainly JonBenet had lots of day of the week undies. That's what LHPugh, the maid, had said as well. Patsy also says in this interview, which was in 1998 vs her Atlanta interview when she'd "forgotten" so much, that JonBenet had a bath Christmas Eve Day, and not on Christmas Day, but did change her underwear on Christmas Day:

    Here Patsy seems very sure about these issues and habits:

    http://www.jonbenetindexguide.com/19...w-Complete.htm

    16 THOMAS HANEY: Did JonBenet have

    17 panties with the names of each day of the week

    18 on it?

    19 PATSY RAMSEY: Uh-hum.

    20 THOMAS HANEY: Okay. And did she

    21 wear those according to the day of the week or

    22 was it just kind of --

    23 PATSY RAMSEY: Just whatever.

    24 THOMAS HANEY: Did she know, pay

    25 much attention to what day of the week it was?

    0237

    1 PATSY RAMSEY: No.

    2 THOMAS HANEY: So whatever would

    3 come out of the drawer?

    4 PATSY RAMSEY: (Nodding).

    5 THOMAS HANEY: Would she or could

    6 she have ever exchanged panties with some other

    7 girl that she was playing with?

    8 PATSY RAMSEY: Oh, yeah, probably.

    9 You know, if they went swimming or something and

    10 got something wet or, you know, it wasn't

    11 unusual to have left clothes at our house or

    12 somebody else's clothes at somebody else's

    13 house.

    14 THOMAS HANEY: So they just kind of

    15 go in the laundry, maybe get sorted out?

    16 PATSY RAMSEY: Right, then the next

    17 thing you see, say oh, here, something of yours,

    18 and --

    19 THOMAS HANEY: Could anybody else

    20 have worn hers, say the ones that she was

    21 wearing Christmas night, the next morning?

    22 PATSY RAMSEY: Um --

    23 THOMAS HANEY: The ones that she

    24 was wearing, you said when you put her to bed

    25 Christmas night. She wasn't swimming or

    0238

    1 anything Christmas Eve --

    2 PATSY RAMSEY: No.

    3 THOMAS HANEY: -- at the Whites or

    4 there wouldn't have involved -- or did it

    5 involve dressing up or trying things on?

    6 PATSY RAMSEY: No.

    7 (Answering while question being

    8 asked).

    9 PATSY RAMSEY: You mean would

    10 somebody have had her underwear on?

    11 THOMAS HANEY: Something along

    12 those lines.

    13 PATSY RAMSEY: It would have been

    14 very unlikely. I can't imagine, no.

    15 TRIP DeMUTH: Do you remember the

    16 white panties with the printed rosebuds with the

    17 words of the day on it, did that sound like

    18 JonBenet's panties?

    19 PATSY RAMSEY: Could have been.

    20 She had a lot of 'em, so, I don't know.

    21 TRIP DeMUTH: And how --

    22 PATSY RAMSEY: If I saw them, I

    23 might recall them.

    24 TRIP DeMUTH: How often would she

    25 change her underwear? Was she good about

    0239

    1 changing them daily?

    2 PATSY RAMSEY: Oh, yes, yes.

    3 Usually we bathed every day and --

    4 TRIP DeMUTH: Okay.

    5 PATSY RAMSEY: -- changed her

    6 underwear.

    7 TRIP DeMUTH: Let me ask you if you

    8 remember the last time you remember her bathing?

    9 PATSY RAMSEY: I believe -- I

    10 believe the 24th, before we went to church. We

    11 went to 4 o'clock service, so we got dressed up.

    12 And I don't believe that we did on Christmas

    13 Day, because that was too much for (INAUDIBLE).

    14 TRIP DeMUTH: Do you recall her

    15 another time, her washing her hands after that

    16 time that you remember her bath on the 24th?

    17 And we talked yesterday about a lot of times

    18 that she could have. But specifically do you

    19 have any remember --

    20 PATSY RAMSEY: No, I can't

    21 specifically say when she would have washed her

    22 hands.

    23 TRIP DeMUTH: After she bathed

    24 though on the 24th, she would have had clean

    25 underwear on after that?

    0240

    1 PATSY RAMSEY: Oh, yeah.

    2 I am sure she would have had clean

    3 underwear on the 25th, though, she'd just not

    4 have taken a bath.

    5 TRIP DeMUTH: She would have

    6 changed them Christmas morning?

    7 PATSY RAMSEY: Or Christmas

    8 afternoon, getting dressed. Christmas morning,

    9 you know (indicating a noise).

    "University of Colorado Law Professor Paul Campos declared the letter a 'reckless exoneration.' He went on to state, 'Everyone knows that relative immunity from criminal conviction is something money can buy.
    Apparently another thing it can buy is an apology for even being suspected of a crime you probably already would have been convicted of committing if you happened to be poor.'"
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    Patsy Ramsey sure comes off as a mother who left JonBenét to take care of herself; almost abandoning the personal care a little six year old still required, KK. In other words distancing herself from those enlarged panties found on JonBenét on the morning of the 26th December, 1996.

    My own personal thoughts on this one is that during the panic of finding out JonBenét was really dead, the Ramseys had to scurry like rats to finish the staging, with John Ramsey grabbing the underwear without even checking what size it was. No criminal in a hurry to leave the premises would redress a dead body he was anxious to get away from. What did he have to gain by doing that? Get caught. Not a chance! It was staged by the Ramseys themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elle_1 View Post
    Patsy Ramsey sure comes off as a mother who left JonBenét to take care of herself; almost abandoning the personal care a little six year old still required, KK. In other words distancing herself from those enlarged panties found on JonBenét on the morning of the 26th December, 1996.

    My own personal thoughts on this one is that during the panic of finding out JonBenét was really dead, the Ramseys had to scurry like rats to finish the staging, with John Ramsey grabbing the underwear without even checking what size it was. No criminal in a hurry to leave the premises would redress a dead body he was anxious to get away from. What did he have to gain by doing that? Get caught. Not a chance! It was staged by the Ramseys themselves.
    Exactly right. No intruder/kidnapper would have hung around to do ANY of the things that were done after the child was dead. Ransom notes are useless with a dead victim- and while a victim that was actually kidnapped may be dead and the family unaware (therefore ransom is still possible), in this case the body was left in the home where it was sure to be found at some point.
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    I have to say that despite the fact that the RST try so hard to play down the oversized knickers, I think the counter suggestions they come up with only prove that they simply cannot believe how large they really were. I find it quite amusing that they'll say in one breath "no big deal" and in the other "they are probably ladies size 12/14"... If I have my facts right, the US ladies size 12/14 is much larger than the UK size 12/14. I think your size 12/14 would be equivalent to our size 16/18 which would be a fairly well padded female! I am basing this on my belief that the US size zero is a size 4 here.

    They've tried to suggest that the size 4-6 Bloomies would probably only have fitted a 2 year old and this too is garbage. I really must get around to photographing the comparative brands which include Disney and Osh Kosh both of which should be more easily accessible for anyone who wishes to see for themselves.

    (alternatively, I could always include an American coin in the photo (not sure it's legal to photograph paper money?? I've seen money being used to depict size in other photos.)
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