Reality and Dreams and Initialisms

Discussion in 'Justice for JonBenet Discussion - Public Forum' started by Paradox, Aug 5, 2006.

  1. Paradox

    Paradox Banned for Stupidity by RiverRat

    The following snippets are from Reality and Dreams, by Muriel Spark, the author of The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie.

    "I hope," she said, "you have signed on with a B.A. and let them have your C.V. with a claim for A.P.L."
    "What are B.A., A.P.L.?" said Ruth.
    "Benefits Agency; Accreditation of Prior Learning. C.V. means curriculum vitae which means-"
    "I know that one." said Ruth.
    "You need to find your L.A.'s U.B.O. and perhaps put in for some E.T."
    "Still you should have some I.S."
    I hope he has an insurance and an S.D.A., otherwise-"
    "S.D.A.?" said Ruth.
    "Severe Disability Allowance," ...

    Spark punctuates all the acronyms in the book. She even capitalizes and punctuates T.V.

    Acronyms and initialisms aren't usually punctuated.

    They are in the ransom note.

    Reality and Dreams was published in 1996.

    Muriel Spark died in April of this year.
     
  2. Elle

    Elle Member

    Who knows Paradox, Patsy Ramsey could recite the speech from the play/movie "The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie," at the drop of a hat, and it was probably deeply embedded in her head (?). Much and all as she was trying to remove herself from the ransom note, subconsciously, she couldn't stop herself from printing the acronyms the way they were in the play (?). jmo
     
  3. Paradox

    Paradox Banned for Stupidity by RiverRat

    Right, except the acronyms aren't in the play or book of The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie, they are in the book Reality and Dreams, published in 1996, the year JonBenet died. It looks like Patsy wan't just attached to TPOMJB, she was attached to Muriel Spark.

    The many items that are common to the crime and TPOMJB can not be a coincidence.

    The punctuation of initialisms in a book by the same author, published the same year the crime happens, matching the punctuation of initialisms in the ransom note con not be a coincidence either.

    Patsy had an identity disorder.
     
  4. Barbara

    Barbara FFJ Senior Member

    Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

    Over the years, we have gone over Patsy's penchant for Miss Brody and other types of "drama" plays, etc. that Patsy was so fond of

    Someone please refresh my memory. Who started the whole theorization of the RN resembling the lingo of "movies"???

    It's amazing what the subconcious might just suggest.
     
  5. Paradox

    Paradox Banned for Stupidity by RiverRat

    As I remember it, the line "Listen carefully!" from the ransom note started all the speculation. That line is used in Mindhunter, by John Douglas, which was reported to be in the home. And there were similarities in the Ramey crime and crimes reported on in Douglas' book. The discussion expanded from there. My perspective on this is from listening to Denver talk radio.
     
  6. Paradox

    Paradox Banned for Stupidity by RiverRat

    It's also amazing what the unconscious might CONTROL.
     
  7. The Punisher

    The Punisher Member

    "That line is used in Mindhunter, by John Douglas, which was reported to be in the home. And there were similarities in the Ramey crime and crimes reported on in Douglas' book."

    The RST claims it wasn't in the house, but in PMPT, a very specific list of books found in the home is given, and it's one of them.

    The subconscious is powerful. It doesn't question; it merely does.
     
  8. Elle

    Elle Member

    I never read the play or the book, I just saw the movie. Yes, I could believe Patsy had an identity disorder. She should have gone into acting. One way of getting rid of that type.
     
  9. koldkase

    koldkase FFJ Senior Member

    Interesting, Paradox.

    I noticed the last line in the movie TPOMJB was "Assassin!" Brodie calls out after one of "her girls" has betrayed her and gotten her sacked..."stopped" her, the girl says, from corrupting children.

    I thought about the psychology of that story: Miss Brodie sacrifices everything "for her girls," but she ends up being betrayed and "assassinated" by one. IOW, Miss Brodie's sacrifice of herself for her girls ended up destroying her. Of course, Miss Brodie destroyed herself. But that's not how she sees it. The world revolves around her and she's IN HER PRIME. About Patsy's age when JonBenet was murdered...or assassinated?

    Maybe Patsy's identity disorder extended to JonBenet. Maybe she used JonBenet to relive her own life vicariously, so wounded with cancer, to improve upon it...maybe she was grooming JonBenet to be a great lover like Jenny in the movie...only someone picked up on it way too soon.... Maybe Patsy saw her world falling apart and JonBenet was going to be the one to betray her...assassinate her...by telling...blowing up that American Dream Patsy needed so desperately to live...and in a big way, if it was incest, Patsy saw a very long fall from public grace.

    Of course, all speculation. We'll never know. But like all infamous murders, it's hard not to analyse the mind of the killer.

    Of course, it could have been entirely her subconscious working that night. Maybe an accident happened with one of those in the home involved, could be for reasons having nothing to do with any play/movie/literature, and maybe the prior molestation dictated the coverup in a big way. But in the aftermath, people always look at the history of those involved and try to find keys to why something so awful happened, what kind of pathology was present in the mind of the perpetrators for the crime to play out like it did.

    Anybody else notice that the "most pretty" student Jenny in the movie, being groomed by Miss Brodie to be her proxy lover with the art master, has the same name as the niece Jenny whom Patsy bought Bloomies undies for, which ended up on JonBenet, molested and dead? The irony in this case never stops, does it?
     
  10. koldkase

    koldkase FFJ Senior Member

    Oh, I almost forgot! I heard something on a Discovery Channel program a few nights ago, and it was so...typical...of the mystery that drives this case, I thought I'd share it here...with the abbreviations brought up. I'm sure this has been said before, as many have brought the masons into this mystery, along with every other thing in the universe...but....

    You all know Don Paugh is a Mason, 32nd Degree or some such, which means he's been in it a long time. It's already engraved on his tombstone, next to Nedra.

    The show was about the masons, famous people through history who were masons, their good works and mystery and influence, that kind of thing. Lots of shows on that since The DaVinci Code came out as a best seller and movie. Blahblah.

    But there it was, I knew it was coming somehow, so I just waited for it: the three masonic symbols, depicted on their crest or seal or whatever: the carpenter's square, the Bible, and the compass.

    A Square, the Bible, and the Compass.

    We've often wondered WHO was molesting JonBenet before that night.

    We've often wondered about those questions Haney asked Patsy about being molested as a child, or her sisters being molested.

    I know I know I know. But it's a thought. We've always thought Patsy was angry at John in that letter. Maybe it wasn't John at all.

    Patsy's father financed John's basement computer business. He worked for AG in Boulder as well.

    Dear Mr. Ramsey, We respect your business but not the country that it serves.

    $118,000 leads back to AG.

    AG came from John's little basement business, financed by Patsy's father.

    VICTORY! You won't assassinate me!

    Well, it's all speculation, but there is no doubt that something very wrong was going on in that family. One guess is as good as another at this point.

    The ransom note must explain WHY JonBenet was chosen by this "foreign faction." Of course, international companies are always aware of kidnapping by third world terrorist groups. So that flow is natural enough and may have been used for its value on its face.

    But the molestation is the key to the subcurrent in this murder, IMO.
     
  11. The Punisher

    The Punisher Member

    "Maybe Patsy's identity disorder extended to JonBenet. Maybe she used JonBenet to relive her own life vicariously, so wounded with cancer, to improve upon it...maybe she was grooming JonBenet to be a great lover like Jenny in the movie...only someone picked up on it way too soon.... Maybe Patsy saw her world falling apart and JonBenet was going to be the one to betray her...assassinate her...by telling...blowing up that American Dream Patsy needed so desperately to live...and in a big way, if it was incest, Patsy saw a very long fall from public grace."

    There's a shrink who would agree. Jamie Turndorf said that Patsy was replaying traumatic events that she was never able to cope with through JB.
     
  12. Elle

    Elle Member

    I saw the Da Vinci Code movie, and I just finished the book. I enjoyed it very much, but the movie had to eliminate some of the data in the book, or it would have been a three hour movie.

    Interesting observation KK, with the acronym SBTC, but I doubt very much that Patsy would have led you to her father, but if Patsy Ramsey was delusional and out of it after the murder, who knows what way her mind was working at that time. I don't know how she managed to function after the death of JonBenét, but function she did!
     
  13. Paradox

    Paradox Banned for Stupidity by RiverRat

    The square and compasses are symbols always displayed in an open Lodge with the open Volume of the Sacred Law. In English-speaking countries, this is frequently the King James Version of the Bible or another standard translation (there is no such thing as an exclusive "Masonic Bible").[22] Otherwise it is whatever book a particular jurisdiction authorizes: in many French Lodges, the Masonic Constitutions are used.

    Square Bible The Compass doesn't make much sense.

    Also, most of the time the Masonic Crest is limited to the square and compass with or without the letter G.
     
  14. wombat

    wombat Member

    I think that in some ways this could all be true at once, KoldKase. In some sense, the person committing incest with JonBenet was Patsy, teaching her to wiggle her butt and roll her eyes, etc. The one that gets me the most is the heavily made up open-mouthed stare, which looks like the classic porno-playboy look. If her father had taught her that, someone should have called the cops, but Patsy was getting away with it because she was the Mom.

    This sexualization started in earnest after Patsy recovered from her first, terrifying bout with ovarian cancer. The life she got at the other side of this illness no longer included a clear sexual identity. Radical hysterectomies are only performed on young women when they are considered to be in danger of their lives, the downside of the operation (being castrated) is not considered. If you do get better, INTENSIVE therapy is appropriate. Patsy just went to church and dressed up her daughter.

    I also wonder if she had taken fertility drugs to get pregnant. There is no mention of being married and childless for 5 years before she had Burke in the DOI opus. Maybe she didn't try until year 4 and then God got her pregnant. If she did take the drugs, though, she could have blamed the them for her cancer, and by association her babies. It is a terrible thing to think.

    If I were the cops I would have asked her about all this. They were too nice and too male.

    (I would have asked John to explain the functionality of all the evidence. Like, "John, see this piece of duct tape? Do you know why it wasn't deformed?" Or "John, do you see this string around her neck? Can you figure out how it worked?" I could have twisted his little engineer's brain, as he tried to solve the problem presented and get the right answer!)
     
  15. The Punisher

    The Punisher Member

    "I think that in some ways this could all be true at once, KoldKase. In some sense, the person committing incest with JonBenet was Patsy, teaching her to wiggle her butt and roll her eyes, etc. The one that gets me the most is the heavily made up open-mouthed stare, which looks like the classic porno-playboy look."

    You're not the only one to notice, wombat. My brother catches me pouring over my case notes, and he says, "Guv, I've got a poster of Nina Hartley (porno star) that's less suggestive than that!"

    "If her father had taught her that, someone should have called the cops, but Patsy was getting away with it because she was the Mom."

    It's said that less than ten percent of pedophiles are women, but all agree that it's highly understudied. Not saying Patsy was, I'm just saying that the image of the pedophile is not a woman in so many minds.

    "This sexualization started in earnest after Patsy recovered from her first, terrifying bout with ovarian cancer. The life she got at the other side of this illness no longer included a clear sexual identity. Radical hysterectomies are only performed on young women when they are considered to be in danger of their lives, the downside of the operation (being castrated) is not considered. If you do get better, INTENSIVE therapy is appropriate. Patsy just went to church and dressed up her daughter."

    It may have been the beginning of the end.

    "I also wonder if she had taken fertility drugs to get pregnant. There is no mention of being married and childless for 5 years before she had Burke in the DOI opus. Maybe she didn't try until year 4 and then God got her pregnant. If she did take the drugs, though, she could have blamed the them for her cancer, and by association her babies. It is a terrible thing to think."

    But one that can't be overlooked.

    "If I were the cops I would have asked her about all this. They were too nice and too male."

    Harmer and Hickman had their chances.

    "(I would have asked John to explain the functionality of all the evidence. Like, 'John, see this piece of duct tape? Do you know why it wasn't deformed?' Or 'John, do you see this string around her neck? Can you figure out how it worked?' I could have twisted his little engineer's brain, as he tried to solve the problem presented and get the right answer!)"

    They tried that. He just threw out more bs.
     
  16. Elle

    Elle Member

    By any chance are you a Freemason yourself, Paradox? My oldest brother (deceased) in Scotland was one, but we never heard a single word spoken about what went on. I also pestered another friend to tell me all the secrets, and he wouldn't. :-( However, all these years later, I am learning something in relation to the Freemasons, from the "The Da Vinci Code" and "Angels and Demons" and I am enjoying Dan Brown's books very much.
     
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