JonBenet Documentary

Discussion in 'Justice for JonBenet Discussion - Public Forum' started by Jayelles, Aug 15, 2006.

  1. Jayelles

    Jayelles Alert Viewer in Scotland

    There was a documentary on British TV last night which was completely new to me. I must admit that I was sceptical about watching it since my entire Ramsey documentary experiences have been the one-sided Tracey documentaries. However, this was a really good one which was totally balanced. It was equally critical of the Police, the Media and the Ramseys.

    This is the first time that the British viewing public have been given the appalling details of the Ramseys' lack of co-operation and quite frankly - it made a mockery of Michael Tracey's documentaries which did NOT cover any Ramsey faults at all.

    When I came to the case, I'd only seen Tracey's documentary and I read DOI as soon as it came out. I was shocked at the way the Ramseys had been treated by the police and media. It was only when I read PMPT that I realised there were two sides to the story and I began to understand WHY the Ramseys were considered serious suspects and WHY they were criticised by the media.

    The vast majority of the British public will not have read the books or the forums and they won't be aware that the Ramseys didn't speak with police for 4 months. The documentary even covered stuff like the Ramseys claiming they HAD co-operated - but countered it with the facts about the conditions they attached to their co-operation and that these were completely unacceptable.

    There was nothing new (for me) in the documentary, but it was a breath of fresh air to see something which was purely factual and unbiased. There was some old film footage, interviews and stuff which I hadn't seen but I was very impressed with the clarity of the presentation and I think I understand the layout of the house beter now.

    There was an interview with some idiot who said he thought the most important evidence in the case was the basement window, but this was countered with a forensic speicialist saying that it couldn't be dated and could even have been part of the staging.

    Unfortunately, I couldn't record the programme onto DVD or tape but I did enjoy watching it (and there were no dead babies faces!).
     
  2. shannon1233

    shannon1233 Member

    Thanks Jayelles, can you tell us what it was called or by whom it was made so we can watch out for it here?
     
  3. Jayelles

    Jayelles Alert Viewer in Scotland

    It was part of a series called Crimes and Trials (or it might have been Great Crimes and Trials). I didn't recognise the person who was presenting it. You only caught an odd glimpse of him. He spoke quite slowly and precisely and was American not British.

    I actually wondered if it was a rehash of an existing American documentary. Alex Hunter was interviewed and Koby was in it. There was footage of an interview I'd never seen before with the Ramseys although they didn't say anything I haven't heard them say before.

    They said that they gave interviews on 26th/27th and that when they returned to Boulder after the funeral, they were fully intending to co-operate with police but that when they got to Boulder they were told that the police were going to try and nail them so they took advice and hired lawyers. A voiceover then clarified what the Ramseys considered "interviews" on 26th/27th and emphasised how fatal that decision had been to the investigation..
     
  4. Watching You

    Watching You Superior Bee Admin

    You know, so what if they thought the "police were going to try to nail them?" All the more reason for them to go in and clarify the issues with the police. There is too much of the "police are out to get us" mentality. If the Ramseys were truly innocent, and if they had given the police their full cooperation from the beginning (because it WAS the lack of cooperation that made the cops suspect they were hiding something), the cops might have moved on in their investigation instead of having to fluck around chasing down the only other people who were in the house at the time of the murder. Unfinished business - that's what the Ramseys offered the BPD. The Ramseys hindered the police from doing their jobs.
     
  5. The Punisher

    The Punisher Member

    Which is, in itself, a crime.
     
  6. Scarifier

    Scarifier McHag The Third

    Oh, I wish I'd known about this in advance. I don't have a TV but I could have got a friend to tape it for me.
     
  7. Elle

    Elle Member

    Sounds to me like something 48 hours put on before, Jay (?). I'm sure I have seen that one. Sounds very familiar. It may have been Bill Kurtis (?). Did you see him walking upstairs to Patsy and John's bedroom with no door. JUst upstairs and into their room. Weird!
     
  8. Jayelles

    Jayelles Alert Viewer in Scotland

    Two guys walked all round the house - it gave a really good perspective of the layout - much better than Tracey's docs.

    There was a lot of film footage which didn't seem to have been made for the documentary - it was though it was a scrapbook of previous footage.

    However, it definitely wasn't schiller's documentary as is being suggested elsewhere.
    I would have recognised Lawrence Schiller.
     
  9. sboyd

    sboyd Member

    I am jealous. I would love to have seen it.
     
  10. Scarifier

    Scarifier McHag The Third

    What channel was it on?
     
  11. Jayelles

    Jayelles Alert Viewer in Scotland

    It was on Sky. Sky tends to show re-runs. PMPT gets shown regularly on Sky.

    I think if Schiller's documentary was going to be shown here, it would be on Channel 4 or ITV first. OTOH, the Ramsey case isn't big here so maybe they wouldn't even buy it.
     
  12. Scarifier

    Scarifier McHag The Third

    The History Channel "Crimes and Trials" programmes are, as far as I know, repackaged episodes of a show called "American Justice" with Bill Kurtis.

    The first I heard about the case, apart from being vaguely aware of it from news reports, was a documentary on UK terrestrial TV. It must have been around 1997-98 because I remember where I was living when I saw it. I don't know what the show was, but I do remember feeling almost certain that the parents had been involved, which I guess means it wasn't Tracey's documentary. Sadly, that's about all I can remember about it.
     
  13. Scarifier

    Scarifier McHag The Third

    Ok, a little bit of searching suggests to me that it might be "The Case of JonBenet: The Media vs. the Ramseys" which is a Bill Kurtis documentary filmed for British TV. I wonder if it is the same documentary I saw?
     
  14. Scarifier

    Scarifier McHag The Third

    And now I'm confused because further searching suggests that was the title of the Tracey documentary. I can't believe how easy it is to find out what is on TV today, and for the rest of this week, and virtually impossible to find out what was on YESTERDAY!
     
  15. Scarifier

    Scarifier McHag The Third

    Oh, one last comment and I promise I'm done. Bill Kurtis' documentary was "JonBenet: Anatomy of An Investigation" from a series called "Investigative Reports" some episodes of which have also been repackaged by the History Channel - and looking at when it was made it probably isn't the one I saw. I just got confused with the title.
     
  16. UK show

    I have all of Tracey's documentaries on tape. Over 20 tapes full of things about the case. Reading, I too can't figure out which new show this is. I knew about Schiller's new show on Court TV, but that's all I know as far as new TV shows about the case. I too wish I knew more about this and possibly getting a copy. Let's just hope they air is again sometime. I will definetly keep my eye open for this one, as I would love to see it as well.

    -LA
     
  17. Elle

    Elle Member

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    Anatomy of an Investigation
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    2000



    PLOT DESCRIPTION
    This documentary, part of the Investigative Reports series from the Arts and Entertainment Cable Network (A&E), pulls apart the delayed and even botched investigation of the murder of 6-year-old Jon Benet Ramsey. Narrated by Investigative Reports host and producer Bill Kurtis, this video goes behind-the-scenes of the Boulder, CO, police and FBI investigations. The District Attorney in Boulder speaks openly about the problems of the case and what both his department and the police did wrong. Also a federal agent discusses the FBI's role in the case. There are interviews with Boulder police who defend their actions in the investigation, even though this police department has worked on only 16 murder cases in the previous ten years and they are ill-equipped and underfunded for a case of this magnitude. The Ramseys also speak out about why they conducted themselves as they did in the beginning of the investigation. ~ Cecilia Cygnar, All Movie Guide


    I'm positive this is the one you saw Jayelles.
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  18. Jayelles

    Jayelles Alert Viewer in Scotland

    It could have been Elle. There was quite a bit of interview with Alex Hunter and with the Ramseys. The interview with the Ramseys was clearly old but I just didn't recognise the guy who presented it at all. It definitely wasn't schiller and it definitely wasn't Michael Tracey. The camera work was good and so was the narration. From a technical POV, I'd say it was streets ahead of Tracey's documentaries. From a factual POV it was even moreso.
     
  19. Barbara

    Barbara FFJ Senior Member

    Jayelles

    Just wanted to share a laugh. Candy now claims she has relatives in the UK just so that she could post about this British documentary without admitting that she heard it from you.

    After all her ridicule of you and "foreigners", she suddenly has relatives in the UK who, by the way, didn't "record it" so there is of course no further information.

    BUT...she posted it FIRST on the BB

    What a sad sad case she is
     
  20. Jayelles

    Jayelles Alert Viewer in Scotland

    Yes I saw that. I wonder if her "relatives" in the UK know about her racists anti-Brit comments?

    I'll say this once more - just for Candy's relatives ... It wasn't Schiller's documentary! I didn't record it because I couldn't record it. Our tv which has Sky on it doesn't speak to the video recorder. We've had engineers look at it and none of them can get it to work - some compatibility issue. I can record tv programmes from terrestrial onto my PC and I can record terrestrial tv programmes onto DVD or video tape on another tv in the house - but not Sky.

    It's not a big deal for me. I didn't know about the tv programme until shortly before it aired and having watched it, there was nothing new for me. I'm pretty sure it's a mish-mash of previously seen US material but I'm glad the British public got to see a few truths about Ramsey co-operation.
     
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