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    Wow, our situations were both similar and different. Check your pm box. I don't want to hijack the thread. lol

    I wondered about the meds that Patsy took. Anyone know if she ever suffered panic attacks before JBR died?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tylin
    Wow, our situations were both similar and different. Check your pm box. I don't want to hijack the thread. lol

    I wondered about the meds that Patsy took. Anyone know if she ever suffered panic attacks before JBR died?
    She probably had a "whopper" when they told her she had STAGE IV OVARIAN CANCER.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tylin
    Wow, our situations were both similar and different. Check your pm box. I don't want to hijack the thread. lol

    I wondered about the meds that Patsy took. Anyone know if she ever suffered panic attacks before JBR died?
    Never heard it mentioned, because, you know, the Ramseys were the Perfect Family before this tragedy. That would no doubt have come out in court, had the crime ever been prosecuted.

    I wonder about post-partum depression, too. Although in her case, whatever problems she had may have been due mainly to her cancer treatments and the surroundings she was in.
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    Bump - just in case this thread holds any clues, Ames!
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    [quote] March 31, 2007, 1:01 am, Sat Mar 31 1:01:00 CST 2007

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverRat
    I must have missed this topic during the Patsy Passing and Karr Krash time period last year.......excellant info, gang! Great to see that I am far from being alone in questioning just how well John really knew his wife or how well he really covered for her.
    I missed this too in August 2006, RR, and thank all the posters who contributed with their valuable information. Thank you for bumping this very interesting thread. Hard to retrace one's steps "all of the time" (?).
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    Quote Originally Posted by tylin
    I wondered about the meds that Patsy took. Anyone know if she ever suffered panic attacks before JBR died?
    Yes, Patsy said she had suffered a panic attack before JonBenet's death. In her 1998 police interview:

    TOM HANEY: These panic attacks that you mentioned, was that the first time that you had suffered through one of those or had you had those prior?

    PATSY RAMSEY: I had had one one other time, when I was in Boulder Community Hospital in the cancer clinic. And it was about midway through my chemo session, my nine-month session, and I guess all of sudden it just kind of came crashing in as to what was really happening. And I started trembling and shaking. The numbness in my lips.

    TOM HANEY: Those were your normal symptoms?

    PATSY RAMSEY: Yeah. It was gone in a little bit, you know.

    TOM HANEY: Outside of those two episodes, have you had others?

    PATSY RAMSEY: (Shaking head)


    Of course, it says something about the nature of how Patsy was able to keep important secrets from John that he claims he knew nothing of these attacks.

    MIKE KANE: What do you know about Mrs. Ramsey having panic attacks?

    JOHN RAMSEY: Um, I don't know what a panic attack is, I guess, for sure. How would you -- describe it.

    MIKE KANE: Just a feeling that you can't control the moment, overreacting to something maybe more than would be within a normal range. Just feeling, I can't handle the situation.

    JOHN RAMSEY: She is as stable as a rock.

    MIKE KANE: So you have never known her to have those?

    JOHN RAMSEY: (No response).

    MIKE KANE: Never known her to be treated for those?

    JOHN RAMSEY: No.

    MIKE KANE: Never known her to take any medication for those?

    JOHN RAMSEY: (Nodding).

    MIKE KANE: Would it surprise you to find out that she did?

    JOHN RAMSEY: Yeah. That would.

    MIKE KANE: Did you ever hear the drug Xanax, X-A-N-A-X?

    JOHN RAMSEY: (No response).

    MIKE KANE: Ever known Ms. Ramsey to take that?

    JOHN RAMSEY: No.


    Xanax, eh? I think we are seeing Kane hint at something that he knew and John did not; that when investigators finally got hold of some medical records Patsy was found to have been taking Xanax, which would have given her credible deniability that she had had more than one panic attack (after the first, a prescription for Xanax would have let her fend off subsequent full-blown attacks).

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    Quote Originally Posted by RiverRat
    Bump - just in case this thread holds any clues, Ames!
    Thank you so much RiverRat. I did a search, but didn't come up with this thread. Thanks for bumping it up for me.

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    I know we have discussed how JR was kind of "removed" from the day-to-day things with his family, but I find it very hard to believe he didn't know his wife was on that (or any other) drug. Even if he was disinterested enough not to know exactly which drug, he would have to at least know that there was certain behavior that led to the doctor visit that led to a drug being prescribed. i can't believe he didn't know about her seeing a doctor. And if he knew the about the doctor, he had to know about the drug.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeDee
    I know we have discussed how JR was kind of "removed" from the day-to-day things with his family, but I find it very hard to believe he didn't know his wife was on that (or any other) drug. Even if he was disinterested enough not to know exactly which drug, he would have to at least know that there was certain behavior that led to the doctor visit that led to a drug being prescribed. i can't believe he didn't know about her seeing a doctor. And if he knew the about the doctor, he had to know about the drug.
    For sure...I think that he totally knew. He is just lying through his teeth. How could he NOT know??

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    Didn't Patsy talk about those panic attacks in her book? I may be getting this mixed up with other "stories" she told though.

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    Yes, she did! She describes two attacks that she had. One was while she was in treatment for cancer. The second was in January following the murder.

    Howeverrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr - the way she described the second attack, it was like she didn't know what was happening to her.......Trust Me - if you have had one, you know immediately what is happening if it ever happens again.
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