Tracy/Daxis Telephone Calls

Discussion in 'Justice for JonBenet Discussion - Public Forum' started by ACandyRose, Aug 31, 2006.

  1. ACandyRose

    ACandyRose Super Moderator

    I'm still looking for the audio files of the calls between Tracy and Karr (aka Daxis). The 18 files were originally on the Boulder DA's website and were in .wav format and were really huge files so I grabbed the arrest documents and the e-mails first (and they took forever to download) and I was going back to get the audio files and they were gone, with no explanation from the DA why they were removed. They did change the .wav files to .mp3 files I read on another forum but I still didn't get them.

    So if anybody has them can you please share them? I wanted to type up a recap on this call because there are a couple other things later I want to mention.

    On this first call, apparently Daxis (Karr) (He calls himself Daxis) sent Michael Tracy a phone number so Tracy could called him. And even though Karr was not charged after he was arrested on suspicion, the call really gives an inside look on how his mind was working. But I have to say he sounds very convincing. I was typing as I was listening so this below is my rough draft of that call but nothing I could type, even an exact transcript of the call would give justice to hearing it yourself.

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    (June 5, 2006 6:40 PM) First Call:

    Michael Tracy gets a telephone number from Daxis and calls him: Michael asks him what time it is there where he is and Daxis says it's "eight in the morning." Michael asks why he sent him the number to call now and Karr says he's not sure, that he's loosing his senses.

    Daxis (Karr) says he is suicidal, he’s in a hotel room waiting for the Ramseys to call him, he’s waiting for a flight back to where he came from then says a flight to anywhere. He's very nervous. He talks about Poe’s "The Tell Tale Heart," Michael says he’s not familiar with Poe and doesn’t get the connection and Daxis literally has to tell Michael the story of the "Tell Tale Heart" then Michael starts to understand what he’s talking about.

    Daxis mentions some letter via Michael sent to him from the Ramseys and that he was upset by it. (Not sure if the Ramseys actually sent him a letter or if Michael just made one up to look that way) He also mentions something about allowing Michael to copy some of his e-mails to show the Ramseys and that he had an afterthought he might have edited them first basically to clean them up then he says they might as well know it all. He says he’s in Malaysia. Michael asks if he’s going to Australia. (sounds like there was some meeting planned to happen in Australia) He is avoiding his location. He said he has a fear of losing Michael, says it would kill him to lose Michael, to not be able to talk to him, to write to him. (There's not much doubt listening to him that Michael is/was his life line to sanity)

    With difficulty he hesitates several times and says he wants to confess, as his voice is choaked, that he was with her when she died. He doesn’t have faith in confessions, he said he wrote the note, he has experience of going into girls houses, mentions how parents sleep through everything, he says. Althought he says there was one girl who actually came out of the house to meet him outside and how that excited him.

    He has connections with basements - he says it's like coming up out of a grave. His thoughts go elsewhere and he said it never happened like that before with the twelve year old, he said the twelve year old was just practice but it sounded like he meant practice of getting into the house not practice with a twelve year old. (probably reference to this somewhere in e-mails) Michael suggested he was out of control and he said he wasn't out of control, that it wasn't like becoming Mr. Hyde, nothing ever violent, there was diversion but it wasn't violent he said.

    He said he has known so many little girls, Michael asks why that night, he said he's sentimental, about special nights and it was Christmas night, she was sexy and beautiful, but with regrets he said she was just a little girl who got a bike for Christmas. He's upset as to why and asks why did that have to happen to her. Then he answer himself with it’s because he's an evil, wicked, horrible dark person who deserves death. He said adult human beings are his enemies, he suggests maybe he's a sociopath. He feels a closeness to JonBenet's brother.

    He said it might be an issue of closure and that he's always been open in front of his family about his sexuality, and he said he has always had little girls around him, he's a teacher. He said he had an exceptional life and has a magnetic way about him, children are drawn to him. Michael asks when he started being interested in JonBenet and he said he can't tell that. He has known thousands of little girls, but he says he's not a stalker. He's been a teacher for years, and he was at the time he knew JonBenet. Michael brings up him mentioning JonBenet making of Christmas trinkets suggesting that is when they met, but he says he can't tell how he knew JonBenet and the schools won't tell because of confidentiality. Michael keeps probing, Daxis said and repeats several times that he is NOT going to tell Michael he was JonBenet's teacher.

    He doesn't want Michael to know where he is, or what he looks like, he respects Michael, he respects the Ramseys because they are her parents, he said if JonBenet had a sister he would have wanted to be close to her but all he has is her mother Patsy. He has opened up to people about JonBenet before but doesn't go into with whom.

    He said his father agonized about his connection with JonBenet. His father was terrified and upset because Daxis would go to her grave and cry and his Dad would say "Daxis there are camera there," and his Dad would read some of the things, and he would follow the case (He makes it sounds like his father was trying to do his homework for him to warn him) and he would tell Daxis there were cameras at the gravesite. Michael confirms to him that there were cameras at the gravesite. He said he was at the grave over and over and he has confessed at her grave. He asks himself and Michael if he is out of his mind that he has been so obvious about her, being at her grave.

    Suddenly he switches his thoughts and says he has always had obvious automobiles. (that is the wording he used, obvious automobiles) (I think he brought that up because of his car at the cemetary) He said his family is quite wealthy and he lived the high life (his words) and has always been in touch with affluent children, little girls, he prefers girls with better backgrounds, they’re more mature, better educated. He said it will take THAT book to explain.

    He was attracted to an eight year old girl in Austria, then his thoughts go back to his father again, he repeats that his father was terrified, and that just before he left the US and his Dad got angry, he said they all got angry with him, he would stay up all night talking about JonBenet and little girls with his father. He said his Dad said he couldn't stop listening because it was fascinating to hear him talk. (Hmmm) Then his Dad said, "Daxis get the hell out of this country and never come back, run, run, run."

    Michael tells him that he suspects he will disappear after this phone call. Daxis said that won't happen and he tells Michael how much he means to him. (Sounds like Michael is his last friend on earth) He also tells Michael that he is not homosexual, not interested in men at all. That's because he's telling Michael how much he means to him and doesn't want Michael to think it has anything to do with thinking he's gay.

    Michael said he thinks Daxis wants to help Patsy, and he suggest why don't Daxis send him one of his hairs anonomyously that they would clear him but Daxis immediately reacts and said he’s not going to respond to that because it's a "law enforcement tactic" (his words) and then the tapes ends but it sounds more like it wsa cut off but not that anybody hung up on each other so there must be more to this particular call that we didn't get.

    (END OF TAPE)

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    The audio file for the above recap is an .mp3 file about 5mg in size
     
  2. LurkerXIV

    LurkerXIV Moderator

    Good God!

    A journalism professor who is not familiar with Poe?

    And people pay huge amounts of tuition to have Michael Tracey educate their children???

    :behind:
     
  3. ACandyRose

    ACandyRose Super Moderator

    Hmmmmmm

    Now this is kind of interesting. Below is the text from one of the "Patricia Letters" from May 29, 1999.

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    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Ramsey <ramsey@nym.alias.net>
    To: <cheesy21@email.com>
    Sent: Saturday, May 29, 1999 5:01 PM
    Subject: I'm Back; Hope you are too


    > Patti,
    >
    > I have decided to send a copy of my response to Ms. McKinley. I
    > hope you forgive me for excerpting from my mail to you. It seemed
    > so appropriate to send the same to her. I rearranged some of the
    > words; therefore, I ask you to re-read. I am CERTAIN that this
    > will rid me of her. She will not want to talk to a person who
    > will not confirm that she is Patricia Ramsey. I would like any
    > information you might have heard about her. I know who she is,
    > but you seem to have your ear to the ground more than I do
    > concerning news and television coverage. I tend to block that
    > kind of thing out.
    >
    > >If you are desperate to get your ideas into the hands of the
    > >right people, you will have to show that you are a credible
    > >witness.
    >
    > So you do not think I can do this anonymously? Why is this case
    > the exception? Thousands of anonymous tips pour in to other
    > cases.
    >
    > >Have you spoken to the lawyers?
    >
    > Yes I have.
    >
    > >Mrs.. Brady has the most respected website on the internet
    > >regarding this case. Yes I do have contact with her.
    >
    > Send the URL to me, please.
    >
    > >If you want to send me Carol's address and I will write to her
    > >and see if I can convince her that you are a legitimate person.
    >
    > McKinley@FOXNEWS.COM Please do not write to her yet. Never tell
    > her I have sent anything to you that was first sent to her.
    >
    > >I don't think she is going to quit bothering you until you give
    > >her a story of some sort. How did she get this address anyway?
    >
    > I still do not know how she got my address. You are probably
    > right about the story.
    >
    > >Sorry, I don't know the story by Poe. Not much of a reader of
    > >that kind of work.
    >
    > The short story is "Tell Tale Heart". Poe's killer has buried
    > his victim under the floor. When the police come to question him, his
    > guilt causes him to believe that he can hear his victim's heart
    > beating louder and louder, until he screams out a confession.

    >
    > >Carol means to protect HERSELF, not you, when she says this.
    >
    > I know you are right about this.
    >
    > >remember, she is a reporter, not your friend.
    >
    > I am playing with fire....
    >
    > Burke is fine. If he could survive the beginnings of all this,
    > he can certainly get through this. Burke is a Ramsey; strong and
    > quiet.
    >
    > >are you telling me that you are NOT Patsy Ramsey?
    >
    > I am telling you nothing.
    >
    > >I sure hope after all this is over, and believe me, someday it
    > >will be, that you and I can meet and be just like "normal"
    > >friends.
    >
    > That would be nice.
    >
    > >I just wish they would get on with it and get on the right
    > >trail.
    >
    > I believe my theory might help. Do you?
    >
    > >I don't get irritated with you, no no no, please don't think
    > >that. I am just trying to understand all this.
    >
    > Thank you, love.
    >
    > >Why? What happened in September? When the Grand Jury started?
    >
    > I sent a series of letters to various people with a scan of my
    > theory.
    >
    > Sincerely
    >

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  4. ACandyRose

    ACandyRose Super Moderator

    LOL, I thought the same thing !! Maybe they don't study Poe in Britian.

    Here's another one from the "Patricia Letter Collection."

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    --- Ramsey <ramsey@nym.alias.net> wrote:
    > From Ramsey Sat Aug 28 22:07:19 1999
    > X-Apparently-To: gsquared100@yahoo.com via
    > mdd501.mail.yahoo.com
    > Received: from anon.lcs.mit.edu (18.26.0.254)
    > by mta101.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 1999
    > 22:07:22 -0700
    > Date: 29 Aug 1999 05:07:19 -0000
    > Message-ID:
    > <19990829050719.10627.qmail@nym.alias.net>
    > From: Ramsey <ramsey@nym.alias.net>
    > To: gsquared100@yahoo.com
    > Subject: More About Him
    > Content-Length: 2598
    >
    > Dearest Gail,
    >
    > I have been contemplating the possibility of
    > responding to my
    > past friend with my thoughts on her latest departure
    > from me. She
    > is convinced that I am insignificant. I told her why
    > I was doing
    > things the way I was doing them. I do not think she
    > read my mail
    > prior to the carrying out of the deed I now regret
    > having
    > instigated.
    >
    > Why is it that Mr. Tracey refuses to send one
    > sentence to this
    > address? I would love to divulge things to him if he
    > would meet
    > me halfway.
    >
    > Gail, you will know if you run into my daughter's
    > mysterious
    > visitor. His words are eloquent. He speaks with
    > passion for
    > JonBenet. He would never post to a forum. I have not
    > been able to
    > get him to correspond with anyone here so far. My
    > last friend
    > hesitated to the bitter end until she lost the
    > chance completely
    > to talk to him. I felt confident that he would have
    > actually met
    > her at JonBenet's grave. She never seemed to think
    > he was
    > relevant to anything. All that mattered to her was
    > getting a
    > statement from a confirmed Patricia Ramsey. That was
    > her hige
    > mistake. She made the worse mistake.
    >
    > Are you aware that I am not at my Vinings home?
    > Where do the Ms.
    > Bennetts of the Internet say I am?
    >
    > I am tempted to allow you to carry the ultimate
    > message to Mr.
    > Tracey. But, I was recently hurt for releasing just
    > that to a
    > trusted friend who now wishes to discount that I am
    > Patricia
    > Ramsey; hence, wants nothing to do with me anymore.
    > I've been
    > asked to "release her". And so, I am left with a
    > mysterious man.
    > He described her grave to me exactly as it was on
    > the day of his
    > visit recently. This happened only days ago. He is
    > there. There
    > is no doubt of that. Nobody but you, cares anything
    > about him.
    > Maybe he is the sweet man he claims to be. If so, I
    > am sorry I
    > ever suspected him. He treats me with such respect.
    > I've cried
    > listening to his words describing my daughter. He
    > loves her so
    > much. I am convinced that he was and still is, in
    > love with my
    > little girl. He once told me, "as you pray to your
    > God - I pray
    > to my Goddess, JonBenet." He is totally consumed
    > with her. He
    > carries with him a wealth of information about how
    > she was
    > murdered. What would you perceive from such a
    > combination? And no
    > one will listen to me. How could that be? Gail, I
    > feel so
    > helpless and frustrated. All that matters to anyone
    > is whether I
    > am Patricia Ramsey or not. Why does no one ask more
    > about this
    > man I describe? So far, he has been wonderful to me
    > and my
    > daughter. He adores her, even now. He speaks of his
    > visits as if
    > they were meetings. He loves my child so much.
    >
    > Patricia
    >


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  5. ACandyRose

    ACandyRose Super Moderator

    Now here's some posting from my old archive forum from a woman who once lived in the Atlanta area who often visited the grave.

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    From: WEBBSPYDER Sep-29, 1999 5:46 pm
    To: ACANDYROSE (14 of 71)
    559.14 in reply to 559.13 prev next
    559.15
    Hi,
    I am sorry that I was not more clear about the visitor to the cemetery.

    I will try to clarify and expound a bit about my unsettling experiences.

    I have gone to the site numerous times, to remember JonBenet in a
    personal way. The cemetery is located within my general geographical
    location, give or take 10-15 miles.

    Several times this past spring and summer, there has been a person
    kneeling on the top of the grave (on the flat marker covering the grave).

    This person has some peculiar characteristics....

    I observed this person from my car for a short time, and decided
    not to get out of my vehicle. It probably sounds silly here, but
    you would have to be there to see the disturbing aspects...

    I have heard through the grapevine that there have been other
    reports similiar to mine... the person had the same physical
    characteristics and displayed the same behavior (always kneeling
    on top of the grave).

    One person whom I have talked with speculates that the person
    may be a close relative of Patsy Ramsey's who has been
    considered by some to be a suspect in the case.

    I do not know if the person is a local, because the car is not parked
    within the cemetery grounds.

    Local or not, family or not, it is a bit unsettling to view.

    I have decided not to go to the cemetery alone again.

    My comment about the connection to the LHF was in jest, mainly,
    as I do not know any identity. However, I do want to avoid any
    upclose and personal exchanges with him.

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    From: WEBBSPYDER Sep-29 6:52 pm
    To: MORRISBJ2 (18 of 71)
    559.18 in reply to 559.16 prev next
    Darn and drat!!!

    I tried very hard to leave the personal pronoun out of my post,
    but I see where I used the masculine.

    Yes, it very well could be PaughPaugh.

    I have not taken any photos, but have compared the photos
    of Paugh with the appearance of the man.

    Everything fits, but the man is always wearing a cap..Neatly
    dressed, but wearing a cap.

    Since it does not fit the rest of his appearance, I believe it might
    be worn as an attempted disguise.

    Has anyone else seen a man fitting this description at the
    cemetery? If so, please EMail me.

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    From: WEBBSPYDER Sep-30 11:25 am
    To: ACANDYROSE (25 of 71) 559.25 in reply to 559.24 prev next

    CandyRose,

    I suppose it was a combination of the following:

    1) No mode of transportation on the premises, which is unusual
    during the day because there are so many cars parked on the
    side streets (H.S. staff) and none within the cemetery grounds
    .It is a lot easier to park on the cemetery grounds, in other words.
    Does someone drop him off and come back for him or is he leaving
    his vehicle somewhere else, and if so, why?

    2) He is the ONLY person I have ever seen kneeling for periods
    of time on the flat part of the marker. I don't mean just as if in a brief
    prayer, but staying in that position.

    As we all know, there is a bench just beside the grave, and several
    just across from it.

    3) I go there less often now, because of him, but every time I drive
    onto the grounds, he is there.I would estimate that I saw him over
    8 times in a 6 week period.

    4)One single red rose with the thorns stripped off was lying on the
    gravesite after he left on 3 separate occasions.(I left and went to the
    Square for the period of time that he was in the cemetery.)It was not
    wilted in the sun, but I do not know for certain that he left it.

    5)He is always alone.

    6)I have never seen him around Beth Ramsey's grave, which, as
    you know, is next to JonBenet's.

    7)He has stayed on the grave for over two hours at a time. I know
    , because I got really weirded out after doing some shopping and
    then driving back by and still seeing him there.

    All in all, there is just a weird feeling about the man's continued
    presence. I wonder if he is a family member, a friend of the family,
    an Internet fan, or some kind of perverted person.

    When I visit, I sit quietly but openly on the bench under the tree.
    My face is not hidden from view, and I have never stayed over
    10-15 minutes.

    Am I wrong to think that this man is odd?

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  6. LurkerXIV

    LurkerXIV Moderator

    Strange!

    There is someone who visits the grave of Edgar Allen Poe on the anniversary of his death every year and leaves one red rose!

    John Mark Karr, drama queen that he is, probably copied this gesture.
     
  7. koldkase

    koldkase FFJ Senior Member

    I talked with the cemetery caretaker when I visited about a year ago, and he said there is a homeless man who spends some time there on a routine basis. Said he stays for long periods, but he never implied that the guy is in some way strange.

    I don't know how the caretaker knows that the man is homeless. Maybe he talked to him, like he talked to me. I also saw three long stem roses lying on the gravestone once. They had been there probably for some days when I saw them, as they were drying out.
     
  8. Elle

    Elle Member

    This was worth getting up for in the wee small hours of the morning BJ. I'm just wondering how the FBI would tackle something like this(?). How I wish I could just pop in to the FBI office with this information in my hand and ask them to help me sort it out. There are a few similar statements between Karr's mail and the Patricia letters. I'll have to think about it tomorrow. I'm heading back to my bed.


    Thank you for posting all this information. It sure didn't take them long to wipe out all the information relating to Karr's e-mails etc., on the net. Why did they bother putting it all in for such a short time? I think they must have been ordered to take it all off (?)
     
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