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    Quote Originally Posted by Deja Nu

    To implicate any of the Ramsey lawyers in the commission of this homicide is wrong, wrong, wrong. To implicate them in any cover up or staging of this homicide is wrong, wrong, wrong. To suspect they knew what happened before the police were called is logical, reasonable and probable, which is most likely why phone records were not found. Be careful where you tread, FFJ'ers.
    I do suspect they knew what happened before the police were called. And if they did, something seems wrong with that to me. I don't see how they could be implicated in the commission of the homicide or any staging, but cover-up ... if they did know before the police did, it looks like cover-up to me. It's not?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deja Nu
    I sincerely doubt that John and Patsy Ramsey called Mike Bynum at midnight to tell him, "Hey, we're going to be killing our daughter tonight and need to get some legal advice." Come on, that's just too far fetched.
    Deja, I don't think anyone was saying that John and Patsy called Bynum (or any other lawyer) BEFORE JonBenet was killed. I didn't get that implication from what was posted. I think when they said the lawyers might have been called during the "night," they were including the early morning hours (when it was still dark) after JonBenet had been fatally injured.


    But would they call their lawyer friend early in the morning to say, hey, we accidentally killed our daughter and need some really good legal advice? Yeah, happens all the time. Did Bynum coach them through writing the ransom note, staging the crime scene, wiping the body down? No, again too far fetched.
    Once again, no one suggested Bynum (or anyone else) coached them through staging the crime scene. I think the suggestion was that they may have called Bynum to get an idea of the legal consequences BEFORE the crime scene was staged, but they didn't go into details with Bynum, just generalities, and certainly never touched on the actual subject of JonBenet's death or crime scene staging.


    To implicate any of the Ramsey lawyers in the commission of this homicide is wrong, wrong, wrong. To implicate them in any cover up or staging of this homicide is wrong, wrong, wrong. To suspect they knew what happened before the police were called is logical, reasonable and probable, which is most likely why phone records were not found. Be careful where you tread, FFJ'ers.
    I don't think anyone was implicating the lawyers in the commission of a homicide or in the staging of the crime scene. From what I saw in the posts, everyone was pretty much saying what you said ... that it is logical, reasonable and probable that the Ramseys called their lawyers SOMETIME before the police were called.

    Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but I didn't see any FFJers cross a line or tread where they shouldn't. I understand your natural inclination to defend your comrades in law, but I don't know why it's wrong, wrong, wrong to suspect ANYTHING considering what we know of the corruption in this case.

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    If Mike Bynum was called prior to the 911 call, then the theory that JR wasn't in on the staging bites the dust. Unless the call was just to say they found a ransom note and ask if they should call the cops. If that is the case then Mike Bynum let them down because he should have advised them to call AG security first and if not that, to at least make sure to advise the cops that they had been threatened that the house was being watched and care would need to be taken that not alot of cars park right in front of the house.

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    “To implicate any of the Ramsey lawyers in the commission of this homicide is wrong, wrong, wrong. To implicate them in any cover up or staging of this homicide is wrong, wrong, wrong. To suspect they knew what happened before the police were called is logical, reasonable and probable, which is most likely why phone records were not found. Be careful where you tread, FFJ'ers.” Deja Nu

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cherokee
    Deja, I don't think anyone was saying that John and Patsy called Bynum (or any other lawyer) BEFORE JonBenet was killed. I didn't get that implication from what was posted. I think when they said the lawyers might have been called during the "night," they were including the early morning hours (when it was still dark) after JonBenet had been fatally injured.

    For the record, a new poster started a thread trying to incriminate Bynum as being involved in JB's murder. I immediately challenged this poster with a warning, saying unsubstantiated accusations against peripheral players in this crime, who have not been named as a suspect or even hinted at as being under the umbrella, will not be tolerated at FFJ. The poster then threw a slam at me for stating FFJ's position on accusing people of committing crimes with no evidence to back it up. The first post got the poster warned. The second post got her banned. As far as I can see, no one on this thread has accused any of the Ramsey lawyers or any other lawyers of being involved in any crime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Watching You
    As far as I can see, no one on this thread has accused any of the Ramsey lawyers or any other lawyers of being involved in any crime.
    And that's exactly what I was saying ... except you said it so much better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Watching You
    For the record, a new poster started a thread trying to incriminate Bynum as being involved in JB's murder. I immediately challenged this poster with a warning, saying unsubstantiated accusations against peripheral players in this crime, who have not been named as a suspect or even hinted at as being under the umbrella, will not be tolerated at FFJ. The poster then threw a slam at me for stating FFJ's position on accusing people of committing crimes with no evidence to back it up. The first post got the poster warned. The second post got her banned. As far as I can see, no one on this thread has accused any of the Ramsey lawyers or any other lawyers of being involved in any crime.
    Who got banned? Why do I always miss out on the good stuff?
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    "I understand your natural inclination to defend your comrades in law,"

    My post was not to defend any lawyer and certainly not the likes of Hal Haddon. My post was to protect FFJ and Tricia from suits on the basis of claiming Burke Ramsey killed his sister or that the Ramsey lawyers knew she had been killed by someone in the family and helped to cover it up. I'm glad to hear, WY, that someone who did was banned. Let us remember as we discuss various topics that we are not the only ones reading here. There is a VAST difference, Spade, between wisdom and fear, i.e., fools rush in.....

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    "My post was not to defend any lawyer and certainly not the likes of Hal Haddon. My post was to protect FFJ and Tricia from suits on the basis of claiming Burke Ramsey killed his sister or that the Ramsey lawyers knew she had been killed by someone in the family and helped to cover it up."

    Perhaps you can point out ANY post that you feel places FFJ and /or Tricia in jeoprady of litigation. Hope you also can explain why having an opinion that the Ramsey lawyers knew who killed JonBenet is grounds for a lawsuit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tricia
    Who got banned? Why do I always miss out on the good stuff?
    Hmmmm, I don't remember the hat, but WY and I were "on duty" when they came aboard. We both had our fingers on the "ban button" after that first post about Mike Bynum. WY gave them a warning, and they got snitty with a whole bunch of insulting stuff, and WY kicked them out toot sweet. I think it was when the board was going crazy right after Lacy set Karr free. Suddenly, all the people with personal perps came out of the woodwork saying, well if it's not Karr, then it has to be _________ .

    I'm afraid you missed A LOT of good stuff during the two weeks of the Karr fiasco! There were bodies and hats flying everywhere. I was getting about four hours of sleep a night, and that's probably more than WY and Moab got. It was quite a ride, but worth it all to see the truth finally coming out after all these years.

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    I honestly don't remember what the poster's hat was, but the fugly attitude was very clear. Oh, it just came to me - was it Truthseeker? Or am I thinking of someone else?
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