These opening remarks are interesting because goodwill went downhill in a hurry. 10 MR. LEVIN: Mrs. Ramsey, we have 11 a lot of questions today. A lot of the 12 questions we will ask are simple 13 informational questions. Some of the 14 questions you may take as tough questions, if 15 I can use that term, quote/unquote. 16 Two years ago when you came out 17 to Boulder and we interviewed you in 18 Broomfield, I told Mr. Ramsey that if we 19 ever were to charge an intruder, Mr. Wood 20 will tell you this, every prosecutor in the 21 room will tell you, that the best defense is 22 if you can find an alternative suspect. And 23 if an intruder were ever charged in this 24 case, there is no doubt that their defense 25 would be I didn't do it, that Mr. and Mrs. 0005 1 Ramsey did it. 2 And in order to raise the 3 reasonable doubt about their own guilt, they 4 would harp on that through the entire trial. 5 And, as a result, those types of questions 6 that would be asked by defense attorney 7 representing an intruder need to be answered, 8 and we need to ask you those questions. We 9 need to know what is the answer to those 10 questions. 11 Do you understand that? Do you 12 appreciate that we ask the question, we need 13 to have an absolutely honest answer, because 14 if we don't, if we don't get a -- if we 15 get a defensive answer, if we get an evasive 16 answer, all we are doing is playing into a 17 defense sometime down the road, some defense 18 attorney is going to use that to say my guy 19 didn't do it, John and Patsy Ramsey did it. 20 Do you understand that? 21 MR. WOOD: Let me say this for 22 your benefit, Michael. I don't know that 23 Patsy understands the intricate nature of a 24 defense in a criminal case, but I can tell 25 you this. We are here to answer any 0006 1 questions as represented by the chief and 2 you. She is going answer those questions as 3 honestly as she can. That is all she is 4 here to do today. So why don't we go ahead 5 and get going. 6 MR. KANE: Well, I just want to 7 make it clear, though, because it is not 8 going to do anybody any good to give a 9 defensive answer. Don't take -- 10 MR. WOOD: She is not going to 11 be offended by any questions. 12 MR. KANE: Okay. Fair enough. 13 MR. WOOD: If she is, we will 14 tell you. But I think we're going to do 15 fine and she's going to give you answers.
Hold on before you answer Q. (By Mr. Levin) Mrs. Ramsey, are 20 there other professionals that you have 21 contacted or that were contacted at your 22 request? For example, forensic pathologists. 23 A. I believe so. I believe that we 24 had a group of experts who had put together 25 some information which we were hopeful could 0014 1 be presented to the police department and 2 investigators last January. 3 Q. Who was in that group of experts? 4 Who do you remember? 5 A. I don't know all the names. I 6 just know they were, you know, they were 7 forensic type people. 8 Q. Why don't you tell me the names 9 you do recall? Do you remember a Dr. Sperry 10 from Georgia, Kris Sperry? He is a forensic 11 pathologist. 12 A. I believe that was one of the 13 names. 14 Q. Did you ever personally meet with 15 him? 16 A. No. 17 Q. Was there anyone else that you 18 recall? And if you don't recall their 19 names, can you tell us what area of 20 expertise? 21 A. There again, that is kind of John 22 was sort of involved with that more than I. 23 I really don't. That is about all I know. 24 I just know that the meeting was declined. 25 Q. The meeting? 0015 1 A. We had requested to meet and 2 present this information. 3 Q. And were you involved in that? 4 Did you directly contact the Boulder Police 5 Department or contact a member of the 6 prosecution team? 7 A. No, I did not personally. I 8 believe one of our lawyers sent a letter to 9 that effect saying we would like to meet and 10 present some findings, and it was not 11 accepted. 12 Q. One of the things that we are 13 very interested in is that, since you do 14 have and have had investigators working for 15 you on this case, and, as you refer to them 16 as forensic experts or group of experts I 17 believe is what you are calling them, what 18 have they presented to you that you think is 19 significant that would assist us in getting a 20 prosecuteable case against the killers of 21 your daughter? 22 A. They haven't presented anything to 23 me. 24 Q. Have they presented things to 25 John? 0016 1 A. I don't know. 2 Q. If I understand you correctly, you 3 are saying that these people have been, and 4 I am assuming at a fairly large expense, 5 been retained by your family and that, that 6 you -- and obviously you have a great 7 interest in having -- in helping solve the 8 murder of your daughter; correct? 9 A. Correct. 10 Q. But if I understood your response, 11 you are saying that you've never sat down to 12 talk to these people to discuss their 13 findings? 14 MR. WOOD: She said they haven't 15 presented anything to her in way of a 16 presentation. I don't think she said she 17 wasn't aware, generally, of their finding. 18 MR. LEVIN: You are on realtime, 19 I assume; is that correct? 20 MR. WOOD: Yes, I am. 21 MR. LEVIN: Do you know what we 22 are talking about? Realtime is the term of 23 art for, he is reading off the court 24 reporter's transcript, rough draft, which we 25 don't have. 0017 1 MR. WOOD: But which we will be 2 glad to hook you up to if you would like 3 it. 4 (Discussion ensued off the 5 record.) 6 Q. (By Mr. Levin) What your 7 attorney told me is that there hasn't been a 8 formal presentation. Let's talk about 9 informal. Have you sat down personally and 10 talked to any of these people that were 11 retained in order to find out what they have 12 uncovered in this case? 13 A. I have not, no. 14 Q. Have you received secondhand 15 information concerning what information they 16 have concerning possible alternative suspects? 17 And that is an alternative to you and John, 18 obviously. 19 A. I don't remember them saying 20 anything about specific suspects. 21 Q. You have in the past suggested, 22 during interviews, possible suspects, people 23 that you in your mind think may have been 24 involved in the murder of your daughter; 25 correct? 0018 1 A. Correct. 2 Q. Why don't you list those for us. 3 Who have you stated you believe at some 4 point in time was involved with the murder 5 of your daughter? 6 MR. WOOD: Now, that -- you have 7 those prior statements. 8 MR. LEVIN: Yes, I do. 9 MR. WOOD: Then I - excuse me. 10 MR. LEVIN: Pardon me, sir. 11 MR. WOOD: Then in all fairness, 12 you are asking her to simply repeat what 13 she's already told you, which is exactly what 14 we said we weren't going to do here today. 15 MR. LEVIN: That is correct. And 16 the follow-up questions will make it clear 17 why this is not repetitive. 18 MR. WOOD: But the problem is, 19 how in the world can she sit here and play 20 a memorization game with you about who she 21 may have discussed, when she discussed it. 22 I mean, if you have got her 23 statements, you know who she has named. And 24 she can't sit here and be expected to 25 remember each and every person because 0019 1 sometimes you would ask, you know, if anybody 2 had a key and they would give you names. 3 Is that a possible suspect? I don't know 4 what the term necessarily means. But she 5 has given you those names, Bruce. You 6 have -- 7 MR. LEVIN: I understand that. 8 MR. WOOD: Excuse me. If you 9 are here to get additional information, that 10 question is not necessary. You already have 11 that information. 12 MR. KANE: Let me follow up on 13 that. 14 MR. WOOD: Sure. 15 MR. KANE: Obviously the last 16 statements that we have are two years ago. 17 So maybe if we ask. 18 MR. WOOD: Ask if there is 19 anybody that she knows by name since when 20 she last talked with you all. That is 21 absolutely fair. I would, you know, let her 22 answer that, but to ask her who she's told 23 you about in the past would almost require 24 her to be familiar with every statement she 25 has given you all over four days or so. 0020 1 And she hasn't prepared to do that today 2 because we weren't going to go into those 3 areas. 4 MR. KANE: Well, but also, I 5 think it is also relevant to ask what, what 6 information has subsequently been developed 7 about people that were named before. I 8 mean, two years is a long time. 9 MR. WOOD: Well, I mean, I would 10 think then you all ought to go straight -- I 11 am not telling you how to ask your 12 questions, but I would think if you have a 13 name and you want to know if she is aware 14 of any information developed since June of 15 1998, throw the name out there and ask her 16 have you learned anything that you know about 17 this person since June of '98. She will 18 answer that. 19 MR. LEVIN: That is fine. 20 MR. WOOD: I am not trying to be 21 difficult. I just don't want -- 22 MR. LEVIN: I understand. What 23 I'll do -- 24 MR. WOOD: - to put her in the 25 awkward position of trying to somehow 0021 1 remembering what she said over four days two, 2 three years ago because I don't think she 3 could do that. She certainly didn't prepare 4 to do that today, and I wouldn't ask her to. 5 MR. LEVIN: No, and I, I 6 certainly, Mr. Wood, do not expect her to do 7 that. That's not where I was going. But 8 if it makes you more comfortable, I'll ask 9 the question another way. 10 MR. WOOD: Thank you very much. 11 Q. (By Mr. Levin) You've named 12 Priscilla White in the past as a possible 13 suspect. During the course of the last two 14 years, have you rejected that as a possible 15 suspect in the murder of your daughter, have 16 you rejected Priscilla White? 17 A. No. 18 Q. You've named Fleet White, I 19 believe, as a suspect. Same question, have 20 you rejected him as a possible suspect? 21 A. No. 22 Q. Bill McReynolds? 23 A. No. 24 Q. No, you have not rejected him? 25 A. No, I have not rejected him. 0022 1 Q. And I believe Chris Wolf you 2 also -- 3 A. No, he has not been rejected. 4 Q. I assume then that that is a 5 function of the fact that you have not 6 received any significant information concerning 7 the murder of your child in the last two 8 years that differs from the information that 9 you received prior to your interviews with 10 representatives of the Boulder district 11 attorney's office? 12 MR. WOOD: Hold on before you 13 answer.
Spade, Thank you for posting this from the 2000 interviews. Very interesting. I think you would agree Spade that anyone interested in the Ramsey case HAS TO read the Atlanta 2000 interviews. I honestly think that Mary Lacy HAS NOT read the interviews. Could somebody send her this link please? http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/showthread.php?t=4773
Under the Bus (without evidence) 11 Q. (By Mr. Morrissey) We know what 12 you said about Priscilla White. I am just 13 -- my question is, since we talked to you 14 last, have you developed any evidence that 15 would confirm your suspicion as far as 16 Priscilla White is concerned, anything that 17 you know of in the course of the 18 investigation that you have conducted that 19 would keep her on this list, independent of 20 what you might think we know, that kind of 21 thing? 22 A. No. 23 Q. How about Fleet White, anything 24 that you have developed since the last time 25 we spoke to you that would keep him on this 0047 1 suspect -- or that would keep him on this 2 list? 3 MR. WOOD: Are you talking about 4 whether their investigators have developed 5 information as opposed to like an event 6 occurring such as filing a criminal civil 7 case, which is a little odd? 8 Q. (By Mr. Morrissey) Anything new 9 that we don't know about Fleet White that 10 you have developed or your investigators have 11 developed? 12 A. I can't remember any. The only 13 -- I just heard recently that we have come 14 across a copy of his statement to you folks 15 or to the police department on or the day 16 after JonBenet's death and that he was asked 17 about the ransom note and could very closely 18 recite the content, which seemed unusual. 19 Q. The same, I guess, the same 20 question in regard to Mr. McReynolds, and I 21 am sorry I don't remember Mr. McReynolds' 22 first name. 23 MR. WOOD: Is it Bill? 24 MR. LEVIN: Yes. 25 MR. MORRISSEY: William, yes. 0048 1 Q. (By Mr. Morrissey) Anything, I 2 know his name came up, and I was wondering 3 if anything since the last time you spoke 4 to, I believe it was the Boulder district 5 attorneys, I think after the formal 6 discussion you had on tape and everything, 7 then you went -- and I heard an audiotape -- 8 where you were focusing on Mr. McReynolds 9 himself with Mr. DeMouth and a couple of 10 other people. I was wondering if anything, 11 any follow-up had been done as far as your 12 investigation is concerned, any new 13 information on Mr. McReynolds' possible 14 involvement. 15 A. I don't know. 16 Q. And Mr. Wolf? I mean these, 17 Bruce asked you these kind of in a group of 18 four. I was interested specifically, since 19 we last spoke to you, what have you 20 developed, if anything, about Mr. Wolf? 21 A. Well, I think subsequent to that, 22 I know we have a tape from his one-time 23 girlfriend. 24 Q. Ms. Dilson? 25 A. Dilson. She videotaped herself 0049 1 imploring John and me to help her. She is 2 very frightened of him. She believes that 3 he did this. She is in hiding. 4 Q. Have you ever spoken to Ms. 5 Dilson in person or -- 6 A. I can't, I can't remember. 7 Q. Okay. But you viewed this tape 8 of her asking for your help? 9 A. Yes, uh-huh, uh-huh. 10 Q. Anything other than the tape that 11 would indicate to you or keep Mr. Wolf in 12 that position that he was in last time we 13 spoke? 14 A. I just can't think of anything 15 right now.
The Pineapple In DOI the Ramsey's referred to the pineapple in JonBenet's stomach as "An urban legend". Another lie bites the dust: 21 Q. (By Mr. Kane) Have you had any 22 forensic people look into the issue of the 23 pineapple that was found in JonBenet's 24 digestive tract? 25 MR. WOOD: Let me ask you this, 0052 1 Michael. Are you stating as a matter of 2 fact that it was pineapple without any 3 question? 4 MR. KANE: That was stated two 5 years ago in the interview. Yes. There is 6 no doubt about it. 7 MR. WOOD: Are you stating it as 8 fact? 9 MR. KANE: Lou Smith told Mr. 10 Ramsey that too. 11 MR. WOOD: I just want to make 12 sure it's clear that you're stating it as a 13 matter of fact and not opinion that it is 14 pineapple. 15 MR. KANE: It is pineapple. 16 Q. (By Mr. Kane) Why did you state, 17 let me ask you, why did you state in your 18 book that it was pineapple? 19 MR. WOOD: Are you going to 20 withdraw the last question? 21 MR. KANE: Lin, look, this is not 22 -- we are not in court. 23 MR. WOOD: But we are making a 24 record, and it is important, because I looked 25 at some of the stuff in the past, and it is 0053 1 jumping back and forth. I want to make sure 2 that, if there is a question pending, the 3 record accurately reflects that she either 4 has answered it or at this point in time 5 you're not insisting upon an answer and you 6 will come back to it later. 7 I think from what you are telling 8 me is you are going to hold off on the last 9 question about forensics and go to the book. 10 MR. KANE: I'll ask it, but I 11 was going to preface it with the book, but I 12 will do it in the reverse order. 13 MR. WOOD: Okay. 14 Q. (By Mr. Kane) Have you talked to 15 anybody about findings of pineapple in her 16 digestive system? 17 A. No. 18 Q. In your book you said that this 19 was -- that that became an urban legend. 20 MR. LEVIN: Hang on a second. 21 MR. WOOD: Hang on one second, 22 Michael. 23 MR. LEVIN: Do you want to have 24 him change the tape? 25 MR. WOOD: He's got about nine 0054 1 minutes, I guess. 2 MR. MORRISSEY: Can I ask a 3 question or are we just on break or 4 something? 5 MR. WOOD: While he goes to get 6 a book, yes, of course.
Naming friends and acquaintances without any hard evidence......they've been Ramified. :hypno: Seriously I'm appalled at all the Whites went through and are still going through from their ex friends John and Patsy. Good read Spade, been a long time since I read the interviews.
Tricia You might be right that Lacy hasn't read these interviews BUT Tom Bennett sure has. When Bennett was 1st hired a mutual friend gave him a rave recommendation. When Bennett came back the 2nd time the same friend said: "He has to be a masochist". I've got a call in to him now...I can hardly wait.
The bloomies again 2 Q. Which of those two trips did you 3 purchase the Bloomi's? 4 A. The first trip. 5 Q. Was it something that was selected 6 by JonBenet? 7 A. I believe so. 8 Q. Was it your intention, when you 9 purchased those, for those to be for her, 10 not for some third party as a gift? 11 A. I bought some things that were 12 gifts and some things for her. So I 13 don't -- 14 Q. Just so I am clear, though, it is 15 your best recollection that the purchase of 16 the underpants, the Bloomi's days of the 17 week, was something that you bought for her, 18 whether it was just I am buying underwear 19 for my kids or these are special, here's a 20 present, that doesn't matter, but it was your 21 intention that she would wear those? 22 A. Well, I think that I bought a 23 package of the -- they came in a package of 24 Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. 25 I think I bought a package to give to my 0081 1 niece. 2 Q. Which niece was that? 3 A. Jenny Davis. 4 Q. They came in, if you recall, do 5 you remember that they come in kind of a 6 plastic see-through plastic container. 7 A. Right. 8 Q. They are rolled up? 9 A. Yes. 10 Q. So if I understand you correctly, 11 you bought one package for Jenny Davis, your 12 niece, and one for JonBenet? 13 A. I am not sure if I bought one or 14 two. 15 Q. Do you remember what size they 16 were? 17 A. Not exactly. 18 Q. JonBenet was found wearing the 19 Wednesday Bloomi's underpants, and your 20 understanding is correct, that is a fact, you 21 can accept that as a fact, when she was 22 found murdered. Those underpants do not fit 23 her. Were you aware of that? 24 MR. WOOD: Are you stating that 25 as a matter of fact -- 0082 1 MR. LEVIN: I'm stating that as a 2 matter -- 3 MR. WOOD: - for a six-year-old 4 child? 5 MR. LEVIN: I am stating that as 6 a matter of fact. 7 MR. WOOD: Don't fit her 8 according to whose standard? 9 MR. LEVIN: By -- 10 MR. WOOD: I mean, I have got an 11 11-year-old boy, and he wears underwear that 12 potentially hangs down to his knees, Bruce. 13 I mean, I don't know how you can come up 14 with that as a fact. That sounds to me 15 like more of an opinion. Who states that as 16 fact? 17 Q. (By Mr. Levin) Ms. Ramsey, your 18 daughter weighed, I believe, 45 pounds; 19 correct? 20 A. Uh-huh (affirmative). 21 Q. She was six years old? 22 A. Uh-huh (affirmative). 23 Q. What size underpants would you 24 normally buy for her? 25 A. 8 to 10. 0083 1 Q. Ms. Ramsey, would you say that it 2 would, it is safe to assume that, if she is 3 wearing underpants designed for someone who 4 weighs 85 pounds, who is 10 to 12 years old, 5 that those would not fit her? 6 A. Those -- I mean, I am sure she 7 could wear them, yes, but they wouldn't fit 8 as well as a smaller pair. 9 Q. And as a mother, you would know 10 that someone who is 85 pounds is 11 significantly larger than your little 12 six-year-old? 13 MR. WOOD: Can't we assume that 14 as a matter of 85 is more than 45 without 15 her having to document a mathematical fact, 16 Bruce? 17 Q. (By Mr. Levin) 40 pounds is the 18 wrong size pair of underpants, would you 19 agree? 20 A. Yes. 21 Q. Okay. What we are trying to 22 understand is whether -- we are trying to 23 understand why she is wearing such a large 24 pair of underpants. We are hoping you can 25 help us if you have a recollection of it. 0084 1 A. I am sure that I put the package 2 of underwear in her bathroom, and she opened 3 them and put them on. 4 Q. Do you know if -- you bought 5 these sometime in mid to early December, is 6 that correct, as far as -- no, I am sorry, 7 you bought them in November? 8 A. Right. 9 Q. Do you recall, was she wearing 10 these? And I don't mean this specific day 11 of the week, but was she wearing, were you 12 aware of the fact that she, you know, was in 13 this package of underpants and had been 14 wearing them since the trip to New York in 15 November? 16 A. I don't remember.
THANK you Spade! What a load of crap. Lin Wood should have been ashamed of himself for the way he answered Patsy's questions and for the way her 'led' her to answer.
Cagey Limpwood - but the purpose of depositions is to get at the truth and quite often people get trapped in their own spin when taking a deposition. Most people do not get the luxury of "being prepared" for a deposition by reviewing everything they have stated (and had documented) in the past. Nevertheless, it's very difficult during the deposition process to avoid getting trapped if one is being less than honest. Much as Limpy tried to prevent it, Patsy's testimony during this interview does contradict previous statements and it doesn't take a brain surgeon to locate the contradictions or the areas Wood does not want the Ramseys to discuss - each and every time they are interviewed. The number of times both John and Patsy have contradicted themselves in depositions, interviews and their book should be enough for even the dimmest bulb in the pack to question their innocence in the staging and subsequent attempt to cover-up this crime even if neither one actually killed JonBenét.