The Ramsey Atlanta Interviews From 2000

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  1. Spade

    Spade Member

    These opening remarks are interesting because goodwill went downhill in a hurry.


    10 MR. LEVIN: Mrs. Ramsey, we have
    11 a lot of questions today. A lot of the
    12 questions we will ask are simple
    13 informational questions. Some of the
    14 questions you may take as tough questions, if
    15 I can use that term, quote/unquote.
    16 Two years ago when you came out
    17 to Boulder and we interviewed you in
    18 Broomfield, I told Mr. Ramsey that if we
    19 ever were to charge an intruder, Mr. Wood
    20 will tell you this, every prosecutor in the
    21 room will tell you, that the best defense is
    22 if you can find an alternative suspect. And
    23 if an intruder were ever charged in this
    24 case, there is no doubt that their defense
    25 would be I didn't do it, that Mr. and Mrs.
    0005
    1 Ramsey did it.
    2 And in order to raise the
    3 reasonable doubt about their own guilt, they
    4 would harp on that through the entire trial.
    5 And, as a result, those types of questions
    6 that would be asked by defense attorney
    7 representing an intruder need to be answered,
    8 and we need to ask you those questions. We
    9 need to know what is the answer to those
    10 questions.
    11 Do you understand that? Do you
    12 appreciate that we ask the question, we need
    13 to have an absolutely honest answer, because
    14 if we don't, if we don't get a -- if we
    15 get a defensive answer, if we get an evasive
    16 answer, all we are doing is playing into a
    17 defense sometime down the road, some defense
    18 attorney is going to use that to say my guy
    19 didn't do it, John and Patsy Ramsey did it.
    20 Do you understand that?
    21 MR. WOOD: Let me say this for
    22 your benefit, Michael. I don't know that
    23 Patsy understands the intricate nature of a
    24 defense in a criminal case, but I can tell
    25 you this. We are here to answer any
    0006
    1 questions as represented by the chief and
    2 you. She is going answer those questions as
    3 honestly as she can. That is all she is
    4 here to do today. So why don't we go ahead
    5 and get going.
    6 MR. KANE: Well, I just want to
    7 make it clear, though, because it is not
    8 going to do anybody any good to give a
    9 defensive answer. Don't take --
    10 MR. WOOD: She is not going to
    11 be offended by any questions.
    12 MR. KANE: Okay. Fair enough.
    13 MR. WOOD: If she is, we will
    14 tell you. But I think we're going to do
    15 fine and she's going to give you answers.
     
  2. Spade

    Spade Member

    Hold on before you answer

    Q. (By Mr. Levin) Mrs. Ramsey, are
    20 there other professionals that you have
    21 contacted or that were contacted at your
    22 request? For example, forensic pathologists.
    23 A. I believe so. I believe that we
    24 had a group of experts who had put together
    25 some information which we were hopeful could
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    1 be presented to the police department and
    2 investigators last January.
    3 Q. Who was in that group of experts?
    4 Who do you remember?
    5 A. I don't know all the names. I
    6 just know they were, you know, they were
    7 forensic type people.
    8 Q. Why don't you tell me the names
    9 you do recall? Do you remember a Dr. Sperry
    10 from Georgia, Kris Sperry? He is a forensic
    11 pathologist.
    12 A. I believe that was one of the
    13 names.
    14 Q. Did you ever personally meet with
    15 him?
    16 A. No.
    17 Q. Was there anyone else that you
    18 recall? And if you don't recall their
    19 names, can you tell us what area of
    20 expertise?
    21 A. There again, that is kind of John
    22 was sort of involved with that more than I.
    23 I really don't. That is about all I know.
    24 I just know that the meeting was declined.
    25 Q. The meeting?
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    1 A. We had requested to meet and
    2 present this information.
    3 Q. And were you involved in that?
    4 Did you directly contact the Boulder Police
    5 Department or contact a member of the
    6 prosecution team?
    7 A. No, I did not personally. I
    8 believe one of our lawyers sent a letter to
    9 that effect saying we would like to meet and
    10 present some findings, and it was not
    11 accepted.
    12 Q. One of the things that we are
    13 very interested in is that, since you do
    14 have and have had investigators working for
    15 you on this case, and, as you refer to them
    16 as forensic experts or group of experts I
    17 believe is what you are calling them, what
    18 have they presented to you that you think is
    19 significant that would assist us in getting a
    20 prosecuteable case against the killers of
    21 your daughter?
    22 A. They haven't presented anything to
    23 me.
    24 Q. Have they presented things to
    25 John?
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    1 A. I don't know.
    2 Q. If I understand you correctly, you
    3 are saying that these people have been, and
    4 I am assuming at a fairly large expense,
    5 been retained by your family and that, that
    6 you -- and obviously you have a great
    7 interest in having -- in helping solve the
    8 murder of your daughter; correct?
    9 A. Correct.
    10 Q. But if I understood your response,
    11 you are saying that you've never sat down to
    12 talk to these people to discuss their
    13 findings?
    14 MR. WOOD: She said they haven't
    15 presented anything to her in way of a
    16 presentation. I don't think she said she
    17 wasn't aware, generally, of their finding.
    18 MR. LEVIN: You are on realtime,
    19 I assume; is that correct?
    20 MR. WOOD: Yes, I am.
    21 MR. LEVIN: Do you know what we
    22 are talking about? Realtime is the term of
    23 art for, he is reading off the court
    24 reporter's transcript, rough draft, which we
    25 don't have.
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    1 MR. WOOD: But which we will be
    2 glad to hook you up to if you would like
    3 it.
    4 (Discussion ensued off the
    5 record.)
    6 Q. (By Mr. Levin) What your
    7 attorney told me is that there hasn't been a
    8 formal presentation. Let's talk about
    9 informal. Have you sat down personally and
    10 talked to any of these people that were
    11 retained in order to find out what they have
    12 uncovered in this case?
    13 A. I have not, no.
    14 Q. Have you received secondhand
    15 information concerning what information they
    16 have concerning possible alternative suspects?
    17 And that is an alternative to you and John,
    18 obviously.
    19 A. I don't remember them saying
    20 anything about specific suspects.
    21 Q. You have in the past suggested,
    22 during interviews, possible suspects, people
    23 that you in your mind think may have been
    24 involved in the murder of your daughter;
    25 correct?
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    1 A. Correct.
    2 Q. Why don't you list those for us.
    3 Who have you stated you believe at some
    4 point in time was involved with the murder
    5 of your daughter?
    6 MR. WOOD: Now, that -- you have
    7 those prior statements.
    8 MR. LEVIN: Yes, I do.
    9 MR. WOOD: Then I - excuse me.
    10 MR. LEVIN: Pardon me, sir.
    11 MR. WOOD: Then in all fairness,
    12 you are asking her to simply repeat what
    13 she's already told you, which is exactly what
    14 we said we weren't going to do here today.
    15 MR. LEVIN: That is correct. And
    16 the follow-up questions will make it clear
    17 why this is not repetitive.
    18 MR. WOOD: But the problem is,
    19 how in the world can she sit here and play
    20 a memorization game with you about who she
    21 may have discussed, when she discussed it.
    22 I mean, if you have got her
    23 statements, you know who she has named. And
    24 she can't sit here and be expected to
    25 remember each and every person because
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    1 sometimes you would ask, you know, if anybody
    2 had a key and they would give you names.
    3 Is that a possible suspect? I don't know
    4 what the term necessarily means. But she
    5 has given you those names, Bruce. You
    6 have --
    7 MR. LEVIN: I understand that.
    8 MR. WOOD: Excuse me. If you
    9 are here to get additional information, that
    10 question is not necessary. You already have
    11 that information.
    12 MR. KANE: Let me follow up on
    13 that.
    14 MR. WOOD: Sure.
    15 MR. KANE: Obviously the last
    16 statements that we have are two years ago.
    17 So maybe if we ask.
    18 MR. WOOD: Ask if there is
    19 anybody that she knows by name since when
    20 she last talked with you all. That is
    21 absolutely fair. I would, you know, let her
    22 answer that, but to ask her who she's told
    23 you about in the past would almost require
    24 her to be familiar with every statement she
    25 has given you all over four days or so.
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    1 And she hasn't prepared to do that today
    2 because we weren't going to go into those
    3 areas.
    4 MR. KANE: Well, but also, I
    5 think it is also relevant to ask what, what
    6 information has subsequently been developed
    7 about people that were named before. I
    8 mean, two years is a long time.
    9 MR. WOOD: Well, I mean, I would
    10 think then you all ought to go straight -- I
    11 am not telling you how to ask your
    12 questions, but I would think if you have a
    13 name and you want to know if she is aware
    14 of any information developed since June of
    15 1998, throw the name out there and ask her
    16 have you learned anything that you know about
    17 this person since June of '98. She will
    18 answer that.
    19 MR. LEVIN: That is fine.
    20 MR. WOOD: I am not trying to be
    21 difficult. I just don't want --
    22 MR. LEVIN: I understand. What
    23 I'll do --
    24 MR. WOOD: - to put her in the
    25 awkward position of trying to somehow
    0021
    1 remembering what she said over four days two,
    2 three years ago because I don't think she
    3 could do that. She certainly didn't prepare
    4 to do that today, and I wouldn't ask her to.
    5 MR. LEVIN: No, and I, I
    6 certainly, Mr. Wood, do not expect her to do
    7 that. That's not where I was going. But
    8 if it makes you more comfortable, I'll ask
    9 the question another way.
    10 MR. WOOD: Thank you very much.
    11 Q. (By Mr. Levin) You've named
    12 Priscilla White in the past as a possible
    13 suspect. During the course of the last two
    14 years, have you rejected that as a possible
    15 suspect in the murder of your daughter, have
    16 you rejected Priscilla White?
    17 A. No.
    18 Q. You've named Fleet White, I
    19 believe, as a suspect. Same question, have
    20 you rejected him as a possible suspect?
    21 A. No.
    22 Q. Bill McReynolds?
    23 A. No.
    24 Q. No, you have not rejected him?
    25 A. No, I have not rejected him.
    0022
    1 Q. And I believe Chris Wolf you
    2 also --
    3 A. No, he has not been rejected.
    4 Q. I assume then that that is a
    5 function of the fact that you have not
    6 received any significant information concerning
    7 the murder of your child in the last two
    8 years that differs from the information that
    9 you received prior to your interviews with
    10 representatives of the Boulder district
    11 attorney's office?
    12 MR. WOOD: Hold on before you
    13 answer.
     
  3. Tricia

    Tricia Administrator Staff Member

    Spade,

    Thank you for posting this from the 2000 interviews. Very interesting.

    I think you would agree Spade that anyone interested in the Ramsey case HAS TO read the Atlanta 2000 interviews.

    I honestly think that Mary Lacy HAS NOT read the interviews.

    Could somebody send her this link please?
    http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/showthread.php?t=4773
     
  4. Spade

    Spade Member

    Under the Bus (without evidence)

    11 Q. (By Mr. Morrissey) We know what
    12 you said about Priscilla White. I am just
    13 -- my question is, since we talked to you
    14 last, have you developed any evidence that
    15 would confirm your suspicion as far as
    16 Priscilla White is concerned, anything that
    17 you know of in the course of the
    18 investigation that you have conducted that
    19 would keep her on this list, independent of
    20 what you might think we know, that kind of
    21 thing?
    22 A. No.
    23 Q. How about Fleet White, anything
    24 that you have developed since the last time
    25 we spoke to you that would keep him on this
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    1 suspect -- or that would keep him on this
    2 list?
    3 MR. WOOD: Are you talking about
    4 whether their investigators have developed
    5 information as opposed to like an event
    6 occurring such as filing a criminal civil
    7 case, which is a little odd?
    8 Q. (By Mr. Morrissey) Anything new
    9 that we don't know about Fleet White that
    10 you have developed or your investigators have
    11 developed?
    12 A. I can't remember any. The only
    13 -- I just heard recently that we have come
    14 across a copy of his statement to you folks
    15 or to the police department on or the day
    16 after JonBenet's death and that he was asked
    17 about the ransom note and could very closely
    18 recite the content, which seemed unusual.
    19 Q. The same, I guess, the same
    20 question in regard to Mr. McReynolds, and I
    21 am sorry I don't remember Mr. McReynolds'
    22 first name.
    23 MR. WOOD: Is it Bill?
    24 MR. LEVIN: Yes.
    25 MR. MORRISSEY: William, yes.
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    1 Q. (By Mr. Morrissey) Anything, I
    2 know his name came up, and I was wondering
    3 if anything since the last time you spoke
    4 to, I believe it was the Boulder district
    5 attorneys, I think after the formal
    6 discussion you had on tape and everything,
    7 then you went -- and I heard an audiotape --
    8 where you were focusing on Mr. McReynolds
    9 himself with Mr. DeMouth and a couple of
    10 other people. I was wondering if anything,
    11 any follow-up had been done as far as your
    12 investigation is concerned, any new
    13 information on Mr. McReynolds' possible
    14 involvement.
    15 A. I don't know.
    16 Q. And Mr. Wolf? I mean these,
    17 Bruce asked you these kind of in a group of
    18 four. I was interested specifically, since
    19 we last spoke to you, what have you
    20 developed, if anything, about Mr. Wolf?
    21 A. Well, I think subsequent to that,
    22 I know we have a tape from his one-time
    23 girlfriend.
    24 Q. Ms. Dilson?
    25 A. Dilson. She videotaped herself
    0049
    1 imploring John and me to help her. She is
    2 very frightened of him. She believes that
    3 he did this. She is in hiding.
    4 Q. Have you ever spoken to Ms.
    5 Dilson in person or --
    6 A. I can't, I can't remember.
    7 Q. Okay. But you viewed this tape
    8 of her asking for your help?
    9 A. Yes, uh-huh, uh-huh.
    10 Q. Anything other than the tape that
    11 would indicate to you or keep Mr. Wolf in
    12 that position that he was in last time we
    13 spoke?
    14 A. I just can't think of anything
    15 right now.
     
  5. Spade

    Spade Member

    The Pineapple

    In DOI the Ramsey's referred to the pineapple in JonBenet's stomach as "An urban legend". Another lie bites the dust:

    21 Q. (By Mr. Kane) Have you had any
    22 forensic people look into the issue of the
    23 pineapple that was found in JonBenet's
    24 digestive tract?
    25 MR. WOOD: Let me ask you this,
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    1 Michael. Are you stating as a matter of
    2 fact that it was pineapple without any
    3 question?
    4 MR. KANE: That was stated two
    5 years ago in the interview. Yes. There is
    6 no doubt about it.
    7 MR. WOOD: Are you stating it as
    8 fact?
    9 MR. KANE: Lou Smith told Mr.
    10 Ramsey that too.
    11 MR. WOOD: I just want to make
    12 sure it's clear that you're stating it as a
    13 matter of fact and not opinion that it is
    14 pineapple.
    15 MR. KANE: It is pineapple.
    16 Q. (By Mr. Kane) Why did you state,
    17 let me ask you, why did you state in your
    18 book that it was pineapple?
    19 MR. WOOD: Are you going to
    20 withdraw the last question?
    21 MR. KANE: Lin, look, this is not
    22 -- we are not in court.
    23 MR. WOOD: But we are making a
    24 record, and it is important, because I looked
    25 at some of the stuff in the past, and it is
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    1 jumping back and forth. I want to make sure
    2 that, if there is a question pending, the
    3 record accurately reflects that she either
    4 has answered it or at this point in time
    5 you're not insisting upon an answer and you
    6 will come back to it later.
    7 I think from what you are telling
    8 me is you are going to hold off on the last
    9 question about forensics and go to the book.
    10 MR. KANE: I'll ask it, but I
    11 was going to preface it with the book, but I
    12 will do it in the reverse order.
    13 MR. WOOD: Okay.
    14 Q. (By Mr. Kane) Have you talked to
    15 anybody about findings of pineapple in her
    16 digestive system?
    17 A. No.
    18 Q. In your book you said that this
    19 was -- that that became an urban legend.
    20 MR. LEVIN: Hang on a second.
    21 MR. WOOD: Hang on one second,
    22 Michael.
    23 MR. LEVIN: Do you want to have
    24 him change the tape?
    25 MR. WOOD: He's got about nine
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    1 minutes, I guess.
    2 MR. MORRISSEY: Can I ask a
    3 question or are we just on break or
    4 something?
    5 MR. WOOD: While he goes to get
    6 a book, yes, of course.
     
  6. Show Me

    Show Me FFJ Senior Member

    Naming friends and acquaintances without any hard evidence......they've been Ramified. :hypno:

    Seriously I'm appalled at all the Whites went through and are still going through from their ex friends John and Patsy.

    Good read Spade, been a long time since I read the interviews.
     
  7. Spade

    Spade Member

    Tricia

    You might be right that Lacy hasn't read these interviews BUT Tom Bennett sure has.

    When Bennett was 1st hired a mutual friend gave him a rave recommendation. When Bennett came back the 2nd time the same friend said: "He has to be a masochist". I've got a call in to him now...I can hardly wait.
     
  8. Spade

    Spade Member

    The bloomies again

    2 Q. Which of those two trips did you
    3 purchase the Bloomi's?
    4 A. The first trip.
    5 Q. Was it something that was selected
    6 by JonBenet?
    7 A. I believe so.
    8 Q. Was it your intention, when you
    9 purchased those, for those to be for her,
    10 not for some third party as a gift?
    11 A. I bought some things that were
    12 gifts and some things for her. So I
    13 don't --
    14 Q. Just so I am clear, though, it is
    15 your best recollection that the purchase of
    16 the underpants, the Bloomi's days of the
    17 week, was something that you bought for her,
    18 whether it was just I am buying underwear
    19 for my kids or these are special, here's a
    20 present, that doesn't matter, but it was your
    21 intention that she would wear those?
    22 A. Well, I think that I bought a
    23 package of the -- they came in a package of
    24 Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday.
    25 I think I bought a package to give to my
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    1 niece.
    2 Q. Which niece was that?
    3 A. Jenny Davis.
    4 Q. They came in, if you recall, do
    5 you remember that they come in kind of a
    6 plastic see-through plastic container.
    7 A. Right.
    8 Q. They are rolled up?
    9 A. Yes.
    10 Q. So if I understand you correctly,
    11 you bought one package for Jenny Davis, your
    12 niece, and one for JonBenet?
    13 A. I am not sure if I bought one or
    14 two.
    15 Q. Do you remember what size they
    16 were?
    17 A. Not exactly.
    18 Q. JonBenet was found wearing the
    19 Wednesday Bloomi's underpants, and your
    20 understanding is correct, that is a fact, you
    21 can accept that as a fact, when she was
    22 found murdered. Those underpants do not fit
    23 her. Were you aware of that?
    24 MR. WOOD: Are you stating that
    25 as a matter of fact --
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    1 MR. LEVIN: I'm stating that as a
    2 matter --
    3 MR. WOOD: - for a six-year-old
    4 child?
    5 MR. LEVIN: I am stating that as
    6 a matter of fact.
    7 MR. WOOD: Don't fit her
    8 according to whose standard?
    9 MR. LEVIN: By --
    10 MR. WOOD: I mean, I have got an
    11 11-year-old boy, and he wears underwear that
    12 potentially hangs down to his knees, Bruce.
    13 I mean, I don't know how you can come up
    14 with that as a fact. That sounds to me
    15 like more of an opinion. Who states that as
    16 fact?
    17 Q. (By Mr. Levin) Ms. Ramsey, your
    18 daughter weighed, I believe, 45 pounds;
    19 correct?
    20 A. Uh-huh (affirmative).
    21 Q. She was six years old?
    22 A. Uh-huh (affirmative).
    23 Q. What size underpants would you
    24 normally buy for her?
    25 A. 8 to 10.
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    1 Q. Ms. Ramsey, would you say that it
    2 would, it is safe to assume that, if she is
    3 wearing underpants designed for someone who
    4 weighs 85 pounds, who is 10 to 12 years old,
    5 that those would not fit her?
    6 A. Those -- I mean, I am sure she
    7 could wear them, yes, but they wouldn't fit
    8 as well as a smaller pair.
    9 Q. And as a mother, you would know
    10 that someone who is 85 pounds is
    11 significantly larger than your little
    12 six-year-old?
    13 MR. WOOD: Can't we assume that
    14 as a matter of 85 is more than 45 without
    15 her having to document a mathematical fact,
    16 Bruce?
    17 Q. (By Mr. Levin) 40 pounds is the
    18 wrong size pair of underpants, would you
    19 agree?
    20 A. Yes.
    21 Q. Okay. What we are trying to
    22 understand is whether -- we are trying to
    23 understand why she is wearing such a large
    24 pair of underpants. We are hoping you can
    25 help us if you have a recollection of it.
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    1 A. I am sure that I put the package
    2 of underwear in her bathroom, and she opened
    3 them and put them on.
    4 Q. Do you know if -- you bought
    5 these sometime in mid to early December, is
    6 that correct, as far as -- no, I am sorry,
    7 you bought them in November?
    8 A. Right.
    9 Q. Do you recall, was she wearing
    10 these? And I don't mean this specific day
    11 of the week, but was she wearing, were you
    12 aware of the fact that she, you know, was in
    13 this package of underpants and had been
    14 wearing them since the trip to New York in
    15 November?
    16 A. I don't remember.
     
  9. tylin

    tylin Banned

    THANK you Spade!

    What a load of crap. Lin Wood should have been ashamed of himself for the way he answered Patsy's questions and for the way her 'led' her to answer.
     
  10. ACandyRose

    ACandyRose Super Moderator

    Tricia, I don't think Mary Lacy has read anything on this case.
     
  11. "J_R"

    "J_R" Shutter Bug Bee

    Cagey Limpwood - but the purpose of depositions is to get at the truth and quite often people get trapped in their own spin when taking a deposition. Most people do not get the luxury of "being prepared" for a deposition by reviewing everything they have stated (and had documented) in the past. Nevertheless, it's very difficult during the deposition process to avoid getting trapped if one is being less than honest.

    Much as Limpy tried to prevent it, Patsy's testimony during this interview does contradict previous statements and it doesn't take a brain surgeon to locate the contradictions or the areas Wood does not want the Ramseys to discuss - each and every time they are interviewed.


    The number of times both John and Patsy have contradicted themselves in depositions, interviews and their book should be enough for even the dimmest bulb in the pack to question their innocence in the staging and subsequent attempt to cover-up this crime even if neither one actually killed JonBenét.
     
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