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  1. #85
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    Amber,
    I think in Thomas' book John also asked Arndt, "Is she dead?"
    How can someone carry a cold body, so stiff that her arms are sticking straight up in the air, and not know she's dead?

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    That''s what I'm getting at - the entwined fibres cannot be explained by PR throwing herself on JB - but that's how she explains it.

    Add the fact that the body was covered with the blanket before and during the time she touched the body, means that the likelihood of transference of fibres from PR to JB is even less likely, but it's the excuse she uses during questioning.

    If the blanket covers JB after PR lays on top of her then her defence could argue transference...but if the she lays on top AFTER the blanket is laid on top then transference to the body is impossible. I was always under the impression that the blanket was applied AFTER PR's Lazarus speech. not before
    If we can figure it out, why can't the DAMN DA?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Punisher
    If we can figure it out, why can't the DAMN DA?!
    'There are none so blind as them that will not see'

    Am I getting this wrong? The only place that I can find that PR threw herself on JB before the blanket covered her was in DOI....

    If I'm correct....JR messed up big time...if the idea was PR was to wear the same clothes, throw herself on JB and therefore explain the fibres as transference then his inability to look at JB and insist on a blanket immediately mucked up his plan.

    Am I way off base?

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    I don't want to start a new thread just to ask this. Hope the question is okay on this thread.

    Have any pictures snapped at the Whites that Christmas been released? I'm wondering how JonBenet's hair was styled that day. Was it in pony tails, like it was when her body was found?

    (I was out of the loop on the case for a while, till Karr hit the scene, so I apologize if the answer is old news.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tril
    I don't want to start a new thread just to ask this. Hope the question is okay on this thread.

    Have any pictures snapped at the Whites that Christmas been released? I'm wondering how JonBenet's hair was styled that day. Was it in pony tails, like it was when her body was found?

    (I was out of the loop on the case for a while, till Karr hit the scene, so I apologize if the answer is old news.)
    That's one of the things the BPD has kept close to their chest. None of the photos from the White party has ever been released.

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    Thanks, Cherokee. Darn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rashomon
    Not that the housekeeper was the only one they had in mind when concocting the note - therefore to make it appear as if an Access Graphics employee like for example Jeff Merrick had written the note may have been on the Ramseys' mind too. They simply threw everything they could into the mix of the RN, which is why the note as a whole is such a jumbled mess.
    yes.
    If you ever need to throw anyone under a bus, the lesson here is to throw as many people as possible under the bus. The more there are under there, the more likely it is that one of them will end up under the tires.
    Quote Originally Posted by Amber
    I quoted Linda Ardnt in my earlier post and I also found this:

    "I found the passage in PMPT too, on page 19 of the paperback:

    "When John Ramsey and others rushed back to the front of the house, Patsy sat for a moment on a couch in the rear of the house looking out a window. She did not move despite all the shouting that JonBenet had been found. In the living room, John Ramsey grabbed a throw blanket off a chair and placed it over JonBenet's body. He knelt on the floor next to his daughter, stroked her hair, and then laid down next to her, placing an arm around her. As he hugged his daughter, he began to cry, referring to JonBenet as 'my little angel'. Then he rolled away from JonBenet's body, and looked toward the hallway leading from the back of the house.

    Finally Barbara Fernie led Patsy by the hand toward JonBenet. Patsy threw herself on her daughter's body."
    Since the blanket was in the living room in the Ramsey's house, it might have already had fibers from Patsy's clothing on it before Patsy touched it when it covered Jonbenet's body. That still doesn't explain any 'Patsy fibers' found entwined in anything.
    So, if you were 6 yrs old, would you eat pineapple with a stranger in the middle of the night? What about the pineapple that was found in Jonbenet's small intestine?

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    Or how they wound up in the room she said she never wore those clothes in!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sue
    yes.
    If you ever need to throw anyone under a bus, the lesson here is to throw as many people as possible under the bus. The more there are under there, the more likely it is that one of them will end up under the tires.

    Since the blanket was in the living room in the Ramsey's house, it might have already had fibers from Patsy's clothing on it before Patsy touched it when it covered Jonbenet's body. That still doesn't explain any 'Patsy fibers' found entwined in anything.


    I think JR got the blanket from his den? not the living room, but I see what you are saying...but nonetheless Patsy explains the fibres being on JB because she threw herself on the body...not because she may have come into contact with the blanket earlier....

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    IMO the reason that Bruce Levin was asking these questions in Atlanta and that linwad was trying to disrupt that line of questioning was because Patsy Ramsey was involved in staging the crime scene.

    3 MR. LEVIN: I think that is
    4 probably fair. Based on the state of the
    5 art scientific testing, we believe the fibers
    6 from her jacket were found in the paint
    7 tray, were found tied into the ligature found
    8 on JonBenet's neck, were found on the blanket
    9 that she is wrapped in, were found on the
    10 duct tape that is found on the mouth, and
    11 the question is, can she explain to us how
    12 those fibers appeared in those places that
    13 are associated with her daughter's death.
    14 And I understand you are not going to answer
    15 those.
    16 MR. WOOD: Right. Not, not

    This discussion should really be about WHY was Patsy involved in staging the crime scene????? If you want to figure out excuses for Patsy's fibers being all over the crime scene and John's fibers being in the crotch of JonBenet's panties go read at the swamp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spade
    IMO the reason that Bruce Levin was asking these questions in Atlanta and that linwad was trying to disrupt that line of questioning was because Patsy Ramsey was involved in staging the crime scene.

    3 MR. LEVIN: I think that is
    4 probably fair. Based on the state of the
    5 art scientific testing, we believe the fibers
    6 from her jacket were found in the paint
    7 tray, were found tied into the ligature found
    8 on JonBenet's neck, were found on the blanket
    9 that she is wrapped in
    , were found on the
    10 duct tape that is found on the mouth, and
    11 the question is, can she explain to us how
    12 those fibers appeared in those places that
    13 are associated with her daughter's death.
    14 And I understand you are not going to answer
    15 those.
    16 MR. WOOD: Right. Not, not

    This discussion should really be about WHY was Patsy involved in staging the crime scene????? If you want to figure out excuses for Patsy's fibers being all over the crime scene and John's fibers being in the crotch of JonBenet's panties go read at the swamp.
    I suppose Levin is referring to the blanket JB had been found wrapped in (in the wine cellar), and not the other blanket John Ramsey had placed over her in the living room?
    Fibers from the jacket Patsy had been wearing on that night were found on the duct tape, in the paint tray, in the ligature wrappings and on the blanket JB was wrapped in. This is extremely damaging evidence, and shutting one's eyes to such evidence (like the RST people do) requires a level of denial beyond my imagination.
    But many of them are just fanatics, and a fanatic's credo is: "don't give me the facts - my mind is made up."
    Fanatics doen't want to discuss anything, for they can't bear the thought of their blind belief being shaken. Many RSTs are not that different from religious fanatics when it comes to their belief in the Ramseys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rashomon
    I suppose Levin is referring to the blanket JB had been found wrapped in (in the wine cellar), and not the other blanket John Ramsey had placed over her in the living room?
    There was a sweatshirt placed over here in the sitting room.
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